Range_This11 Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 When the white male is shot dead, the event is over and we don't need to worry anymore. When we're still looking for a bombing suspect two days later, there's reason to worry. Hence terrorist. Also we still have no idea the agenda behind the attack, hence terrorist.Following that logic, once the suspect in this case is caught in this case he/she will no longer be a terrorist? 1 "He could climb to it, if he climbed alone, and once there he could suck on the pap of life, gulp down the incomparable milk of wonder." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTanT Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Personally I consider a terrorist to be anyone who commits a violent crime with the goal of instilling terror. By that definition a person who massacres a school and then commits suicide out of rage or some twisted sense of justice would not be a terrorist, but a person who intended to cause fear (ie, the TDKR shooter) would be. Weaponry used and affiliations are irrelevant. The only difference between Hitler and the man next door who comes home and beats his kids every day is circumstance. The intent is the same-- to harm others.[hide=Tifers say the darndest things]I told her there was a secret method to doing it - and there is - but my once nimble and agile fingers were unable to perform because I was under the influence.I would laugh, not hate. I'm a male. :(Since when was Ireland an island...? :wall:I actually have a hobby of licking public toilet seats.[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sees_all1 Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 When the white male is shot dead, the event is over and we don't need to worry anymore. When we're still looking for a bombing suspect two days later, there's reason to worry. Hence terrorist. Also we still have no idea the agenda behind the attack, hence terrorist.Following that logic, once the suspect in this case is caught in this case he/she will no longer be a terrorist?They committed terrorism, they're still a terrorist. There's also something to be said about indiscriminate and impersonal violence such as a bomb in a crowded place, or flying an airplane into a building with random people, whereas a shooter necessarily aims. The whole "white American men can't be terrorists" is stupid. Timothy McVeigh and Bill Ayers are terrorists, and they're both American, white and male. I have no problem labeling Adam Lanza, James Holmes, or Jared Lee Loughner domestic terrorists, though their motives are irrational and unclear. 99 dungeoneering achieved, thanks to everyone that celebrated with me! ♪♪ Don't interrupt me as I struggle to complete this thoughtHave some respect for someone more forgetful than yourself ♪♪♪♪ And I'm not doneAnd I won't be till my head falls off ♪♪ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Most school massacres come across as indiscriminate and impersonal. Surely, killing/maiming as many people as possible takes on that nature. We're moving off the issue anyway. I don't see any sense in debating whether he or she should be labelled a terrorist, putting them in the same bracket as every other so-called terrorist that's ever lived (I suppose Guy Fawkes was a failed terrorist, by strict definition). The point is, somebody made a homemade bomb, they wanted to kill or injure as many unarmed American citizens as possible, and we don't really know why. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z_Berenice Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 The point is, somebody made a homemade bomb, they wanted to kill or injure as many unarmed American citizens as possible, and we don't really know why.Now that you say that; bombs do tell a story. Judging by the way the bombs exploded, they are what we call over here "mina quiebrapata" (legbreaking mine), which is basically a mine that once triggered, it explodes almost completely horizontally (doesn't really go over 50 cm), hence the name; also, there are some reports about doctors pulling ball bearings out of the injured legs; It all points out to being this, which can also be triggered remotely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpgGamer Posted April 17, 2013 Author Share Posted April 17, 2013 The breaking news is they're preparing to make an arrest, although reports are conflicting. I know the saying about chickens and eggs, but let's avoid using emotional terminology and stick to objective facts. The bomb was clearly designed to cause terror. Was it part of a wider terrorist conspiracy? We can't possibly know yet. Bolded for disagreement. The terrorist isn't the bomb planter. The terrorist is the American Media. The bomb is supposed to be a message, a cry for attention. The media is who's blowing it out of proportion and causing a ruckus of actual fear. Watch the videos of the incident. The people didn't respond with fear, they responded with immediate aid and action. It's the media that's perpetuating the fear. --To compare Sandy Hook and the Boston bombs seems asinine. The only connection I'd be willing to make is that they were both caused by unknown motives, but both were taken by the media to spread fear and promote national security. Related note: The train I take to school has recently been fitted with video cameras AND audio recording devices. There's now signs that basically say "we're watching". I'll take a picture of it for you guys tomorrow because it bothers me to the point of wanting to don a Guy Fawkes mask. Quote Quote Anyone who likes tacos is incapable of logic. Anyone who likes logic is incapable of tacos. PSA: SaqPrets is an Estonian Dude Steam: NippleBeardTM Origin: Brand_New_iPwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riku3220 Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Related note: The train I take to school has recently been fitted with video cameras AND audio recording devices. There's now signs that basically say "we're watching". I'll take a picture of it for you guys tomorrow because it bothers me to the point of wanting to don a Guy Fawkes mask.I will never understand why this stuff bothers people. There's nothing to worry about unless you're committing crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine naked men Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 The breaking news is they're preparing to make an arrest, although reports are conflicting. I know the saying about chickens and eggs, but let's avoid using emotional terminology and stick to objective facts. The bomb was clearly designed to cause terror. Was it part of a wider terrorist conspiracy? We can't possibly know yet. Bolded for disagreement. The terrorist isn't the bomb planter. The terrorist is the American Media. The bomb is supposed to be a message, a cry for attention. The media is who's blowing it out of proportion and causing a ruckus of actual fear. Watch the videos of the incident. The people didn't respond with fear, they responded with immediate aid and action. It's the media that's perpetuating the fear. --To compare Sandy Hook and the Boston bombs seems asinine. The only connection I'd be willing to make is that they were both caused by unknown motives, but both were taken by the media to spread fear and promote national security. Related note: The train I take to school has recently been fitted with video cameras AND audio recording devices. There's now signs that basically say "we're watching". I'll take a picture of it for you guys tomorrow because it bothers me to the point of wanting to don a Guy Fawkes mask.??? get ready to be arrested for the whole train car of people you'll kill thru 2ndhand shame sleep like dead men wake up like dead men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Related note: The train I take to school has recently been fitted with video cameras AND audio recording devices. There's now signs that basically say "we're watching". I'll take a picture of it for you guys tomorrow because it bothers me to the point of wanting to don a Guy Fawkes mask.I will never understand why this stuff bothers people. There's nothing to worry about unless you're committing crimes.N0 way man 1 day USA might turn totalrian and like 1984 book. u nevr kno man u nevr kno "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champion Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Watch the videos of the incident. The people didn't respond with fear, they responded with immediate aid and action. It's the media that's perpetuating the fear.While it's true that a lot of people did run to help the injured, a LOT more people also responded with fear as well by running the [bleep] away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sees_all1 Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Related note: The train I take to school has recently been fitted with video cameras AND audio recording devices. There's now signs that basically say "we're watching". I'll take a picture of it for you guys tomorrow because it bothers me to the point of wanting to don a Guy Fawkes mask.I will never understand why this stuff bothers people. There's nothing to worry about unless you're committing crimes.N0 way man 1 day USA might turn totalrian and like 1984 book. u nevr kno man u nevr knoYeah, like one day they'll be banning smoking in public places, placing a limit on the size of a fountain drink you can buy, and forcing you to participate in markets. Oh wait. 99 dungeoneering achieved, thanks to everyone that celebrated with me! ♪♪ Don't interrupt me as I struggle to complete this thoughtHave some respect for someone more forgetful than yourself ♪♪♪♪ And I'm not doneAnd I won't be till my head falls off ♪♪ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine naked men Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 `man you equivocatin like a mother [bleep]er` - the wire, 2012 e added spaces for clarity sleep like dead men wake up like dead men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpgGamer Posted April 17, 2013 Author Share Posted April 17, 2013 Related note: The train I take to school has recently been fitted with video cameras AND audio recording devices. There's now signs that basically say "we're watching". I'll take a picture of it for you guys tomorrow because it bothers me to the point of wanting to don a Guy Fawkes mask.I will never understand why this stuff bothers people. There's nothing to worry about unless you're committing crimes. Crimes are becoming too easy to commit though. I'm not a hard criminal by any means, but I'd say I regularly break some minor law or another. No sane person can keep in line every day of their lives. I just really hate being watched. Like a lot. It makes me super paranoid, and encourages me to do "bad" things. If they think I'm doing bad things, I take it as a blank check for mayhem. I could just not give any [bleep]s and go on with my life, but I have no idea where the information they're recording is going, who's viewing it, and how long it's kept on record. I had the same freak out at work when we finally started placing security cameras up after the last mob hit in Philly a few months ago. Now I feel like I'm being watched at work and it bothers the shit outta me. Quote Quote Anyone who likes tacos is incapable of logic. Anyone who likes logic is incapable of tacos. PSA: SaqPrets is an Estonian Dude Steam: NippleBeardTM Origin: Brand_New_iPwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 N0 way man 1 day USA might turn totalrian and like 1984 book. u nevr kno man u nevr knoYeah, like one day they'll be banning smoking in public places, placing a limit on the size of a fountain drink you can buy, and forcing you to participate in markets. Oh wait.It's cute you related that to 1984. We had much more oppressives regimes without cameras. Understand that they'll only go over footage if something suspicious or something actually happened. More like: Your purse was stolen in the 8:00 train? Lets check the footage.Less like: The 8:00 train, set up the tapes. Wanna play "I Spy" while we wait our shift ends? "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sees_all1 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Not like, guys monitoring the CCTV watch private citizens undress?http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/4609746.stm 99 dungeoneering achieved, thanks to everyone that celebrated with me! ♪♪ Don't interrupt me as I struggle to complete this thoughtHave some respect for someone more forgetful than yourself ♪♪♪♪ And I'm not doneAnd I won't be till my head falls off ♪♪ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Not like, guys monitoring the CCTV watch private citizens undress?http://news.bbc.co.u...ide/4609746.stmJust like any public official could misuse their power? Besides, if you're undressing with the blinds open you're asking to be peeped. Unofficially: "Her life has almost been ruined, her self-confidence entirely destroyed by the thought that prying male eyes have entered her flat." It's not the state's fault she had low-self confidence anyway... :-? "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Not like, guys monitoring the CCTV watch private citizens undress?http://news.bbc.co.u...ide/4609746.stmJust like any public official could misuse their power? Besides, if you're undressing with the blinds open you're asking to be peeped. Unofficially: "Her life has almost been ruined, her self-confidence entirely destroyed by the thought that prying male eyes have entered her flat." It's not the state's fault she had low-self confidence anyway... :-? Sounds an awful lot like blaming the victim. 2 "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Not like, guys monitoring the CCTV watch private citizens undress?http://news.bbc.co.u...ide/4609746.stmJust like any public official could misuse their power? Besides, if you're undressing with the blinds open you're asking to be peeped. Unofficially: "Her life has almost been ruined, her self-confidence entirely destroyed by the thought that prying male eyes have entered her flat." It's not the state's fault she had low-self confidence anyway... :-? Sounds an awful lot like blaming the victim.If you would call that a victim. If somebody gets so offended by the fact some stranger saw them naked, then that person seriously needs to reevaluate their beliefs since there are a lot worse things to be offended about. It was physically harmless. Now if you want to relate this to the level of sexual assault, that's your will. I just don't feel this is such a crime she thinks it is, the police thinks it is, nor what Sees All thinks it is. "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 If you would call that a victim. If somebody gets so offended by the fact some stranger saw them naked, then that person seriously needs to reevaluate their beliefs since there are a lot worse things to be offended about. It was physically harmless. Now if you want to relate this to the level of sexual assault, that's your will. I just don't feel this is such a crime she thinks it is, the police thinks it is, nor what Sees All thinks it is. Oh, I agree, I'm just saying that it's still a crime, and it's still an unnecessary intrusion by the government. The peeping isn't justified because she was naive enough to leave her curtains open. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sees_all1 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Now if you want to relate this to the level of sexual assault, that's your will. I just don't feel this is such a crime she thinks it is, the police thinks it is, nor what Sees All thinks it is.You keep poking fun at people that stand up against a cradle to grave nanny state government, calling their fears irrational and misplaced. Soft tyranny and oppression are very real, and the only thing that scares me more than big brother are the proles that are either oblivious to it or too apathetic to give a damn. 99 dungeoneering achieved, thanks to everyone that celebrated with me! ♪♪ Don't interrupt me as I struggle to complete this thoughtHave some respect for someone more forgetful than yourself ♪♪♪♪ And I'm not doneAnd I won't be till my head falls off ♪♪ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpgGamer Posted April 18, 2013 Author Share Posted April 18, 2013 Give them an inch, they'll take a mile. I'd say peeping on her was sexual assualt, but only if she felt that way. As the victim, it's up to her to decide how okay the situation was. Quote Quote Anyone who likes tacos is incapable of logic. Anyone who likes logic is incapable of tacos. PSA: SaqPrets is an Estonian Dude Steam: NippleBeardTM Origin: Brand_New_iPwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Give them an inch, they'll take a mile. I'd say peeping on her was sexual assualt, but only if she felt that way. As the victim, it's up to her to decide how okay the situation was. Not true. This logic is what leads to people regretting consensual sex and deciding they were raped. 1 "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riku3220 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Give them an inch, they'll take a mile. I'd say peeping on her was sexual assualt, but only if she felt that way. As the victim, it's up to her to decide how okay the situation was.I don't think anybody will argue what the two guys did wasn't wrong, but that was a problem with them, not the cameras. If getting peeped on is the worst that can happen with cameras (which is preventable with blinds or a curtain) then I say put them everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 If you would call that a victim. If somebody gets so offended by the fact some stranger saw them naked, then that person seriously needs to reevaluate their beliefs since there are a lot worse things to be offended about. It was physically harmless.Wouldn't you have every right to be offended if you're being spied on in such a way? This isn't prudishness, this is a matter of being filmed when you have every reason to expect privacy. Having an open window shouldn't be an invitation for any stranger with a camera. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpgGamer Posted April 18, 2013 Author Share Posted April 18, 2013 Ya'll sound like you're cool and comfortable knowing you could be being filmed/recorded at even your most personal moments. Quote Quote Anyone who likes tacos is incapable of logic. Anyone who likes logic is incapable of tacos. PSA: SaqPrets is an Estonian Dude Steam: NippleBeardTM Origin: Brand_New_iPwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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