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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/16/second-three-victims-killed-at-boston-marathon-identified/

 

So from what I've gathered from other sources is that yesterday 2 bombs were detonated at the finish line of the Boston Marathon. There was a third bomb that was diffused before detonation, and is under investigation to determine its origin. Fragments of the bombs are being collected for similar purposes. 3 people have been confirmed dead, and near 140 were reported injured at the scene.

 

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How convenient is it that this happened right before the debates over national security, guns laws, surveillance laws, and Obamacare? The US government has been known to stage these types of events "for the greater good". The third bomb to me sounds like a way the authorities can place blame on whomever they like, whether it's a domestic threat, or an act of foreign terrorism. I'm concerned the politicians are going to spin this into an excuse to fly more drones over the cities and keep a closer eye on our citizens to make sure this doesn't happen again. There doesn't seem to be any other reason for this act of violence, as no clear message seems to have been left by those who were responsible for it.

 

 

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The US has a history of "staging these events for the great good"? Gonna want a source on that, and not just a crazy conspiracy theory website.

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The US has a history of "staging these events for the great good"? Gonna want a source on that, and not just a crazy conspiracy theory website.

 

Some argue that non-transparent United States government agencies working in secret sometimes mislead or do not fully implement the decisions of elected civilian leaders and that this has been an important component of many such operations.[1] See Plausible deniability. Some contend that the U.S. has supported more coups against democracies that it perceived as communist, or becoming communist.[1]

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions

 

The US does some shady stuff in the background of radical government change. Giving guns to rebels in foreign countries, feeding money into drug cartels to create allies, etc. I'm pretty sure it was proven that Pearl Harbor could have been preventable, but we chose to let it fly so we would have a real reason to jump into WWII. The JFK assasination was theoretically a CIA job, but we won't know for sure for another decade or so when the records are released.

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In our news, it was said that 2 exploded and 5 unexploded charges in addition were found in Boston area... And that the authorities had received tips about the situation but because it was so important marathon no specific precautions like cancelling it were taken. Also the news said that it is most likely action of radical Americans, not some foreign terrorist group.

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There wasn't a third bomb and it wasn't defused. The JFK library 'bomb' later transpired to be unconnected to the two bombs which bookmarked the closing 100 yards of the marathon stretch. I believe they confirmed today that only the two bombs which exploded were ever present; there are no more and reports of other devices being found or defused were false positives.

 

We shouldn't jump to conclusions. Not all terrorist organisations deliberately intend to kill as many people as possible and then shout out to the world when it happens. All we know at the moment is that the components (pressure cookers, nails, ball bearings, perhaps even the gunpowder itself) look fairly primitive and commonly available, which doesn't naturally hint towards an internationally organised conspiracy.

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This is a terrible thing to have happen, and I hope whoever is responsible gets what they deserve.

 

I'm hoping nobody on these forums was caught up in it... :?

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As horrible as the event is, at least it does tend to bring out the best in people. I've read a few news reports, as well as watching some of the footage of the blast, though I've not seen anything that shows both explosions. I found one on youtube from a spectator who was...I don't know maybe 50ft from the first one tops (you can see the fireball entering the view from the left, and it seems to be mostly people who were really close that started running right away), and the local news has a really good overhead of it.

 

But it's things like the random bystander who helped a father act as a human shield for his kids, or the fact that civilians are still rushing to help people even after the second bomb has gone off and panic has set in.

 

The local version of the story (from the Associate Press) can be found here, which includes a slow motion video of the first bomb as it goes off, and quite a few pictures. As a warning, some of the pictures are quite gruesome; there are definitely a few missing limbs floating around, and a LOT of blood.

 

 

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The old man who fell down from the blast (only person who fell in the video) is from the town right next to the town I grew up in.

 

As a runner, watching the news break sent instant chills throughout. All I could imagine was being one of those runners coming up to the finish line and all the thoughts that would be running through my head as I saw all this unfold. there would be so many emotions, it's just mind boggling to thing about.

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Or the news that Taiwan has found two IEDs on board the High speed rail trains, which, if it detonated, would have been inside a very crowded terminal.

 

This happened not a week ago.

 

Edit: the intention of this post is NOT to downplay the tragedy that has befallen Boston, my utmost condolences to families and friends who has been caught by the blasts, and I do sincerely hope, who ever was responsible for this act (foreign or domestic), to be brought to justice.

 

As horrible as that event is, there probably are many like this happening around the world, but only this one seems to get majority of the media attention.

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And that very same day 50 people died after a series of bombings took place in Iraq, where's the headlines on that? Or are we being elitist again?

 

While I more or less agree with your point, I don't think the answer is to report terror across the world to make things "fair." I'd rather things like this bombing simply go unreported as well since it does nothing but spread fear and irrationality. Tragedies like this are very common and an inevitable part of life. Best to just accept it and move on with your life and not dwell on it.

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And that very same day 50 people died after a series of bombings took place in Iraq, where's the headlines on that? Or are we being elitist again?

 

I'd rather things like this bombing simply go unreported as well since it does nothing but spread fear and irrationality.

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On the other hand, there was also a major 7.8-magnitude earthquake on the Iran-Pakistan border yesterday, the most powerful to hit Iran in half a century. It hit close to two cities, one of a population of 180,000 and another of 250,000. Lots of damage, potential for it to be a major disaster area.

 

However, it's not even front page news this morning in the UK, partly because of the funeral of Baroness Thatcher as well as ongoing coverage of what can vaguely be described as news on the Boston bombings: the BBC got so desperate yesterday, there was an article on the front page of its sport website asking Paula Radcliffe whether she thought this Sunday's London Marathon would be safe. Because being a world record marathon runner, she's obviously more of an expert on terrorism and security than the chief of the Metropolitan Police.

 

If anyone's interested, at least thirty Pakistanis died. Getting a credible source from Iran is obviously much harder but there's definitely several dozen injured, that much they can't deny to news agencies who saw it with their own eyes.

 

News coverage, much like interpretation of our own history, is incredibly open to selective bias.

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And that very same day 50 people died after a series of bombings took place in Iraq, where's the headlines on that? Or are we being elitist again?

 

I'd rather things like this bombing simply go unreported as well since it does nothing but spread fear and irrationality.

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EDIT: Sorry for the double post, meant to edit this one into my previous post.

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In our news programmes the Irani-Pakistani earthquake actually came first. It also is somewhat of a bigger deal than this small bombing in Boston. You only had 3 dead people, they might have 30 000.

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So I've noticed this thread's regulars all follow similar trends.

 

RPG is constantly dealing with psycho exes.

Muggi reminds us of the joys of polygamy.

Saq is totally oblivious to how much chicks dig him.

I strike out every other week.

Kalphite wages a war against the friend zone.

Randox pretty much stays rational.

Etc, etc

 

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And that very same day 50 people died after a series of bombings took place in Iraq, where's the headlines on that? Or are we being elitist again?

This kind of logic is so stupid. No one is saying that those deaths are less important. But does it really come as a surprise that a bombing in a relatively safe country is more widely covered than a bombing in a country that has been plagued by violence for years?

 

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And that very same day 50 people died after a series of bombings took place in Iraq, where's the headlines on that? Or are we being elitist again?

This kind of logic is so stupid. No one is saying that those deaths are less important. But does it really come as a surprise that a bombing in a relatively safe country is more widely covered than a bombing in a country that has been plagued by violence for years?

It's more the level of coverage provided. I could understand American news covering it over other headlines since it's a domestic issue, but from an international perspective, the coverage is clearly biased.

 

Whichever way you look at the issue, many more people died elsewhere in the world in acts of terrorism alone that day, than died in Boston two days ago, and when you look at some of the weaker aspects of the coverage (speculation about other bombs which never had any truth to them, knee-jerk analyses), it's often not very helpful and definitely not merited. Instead of informing people about current events, it often portrays events as a real-life drama and treats the viewer as a passive and uncritical consumer.

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Why am I not surprised that there isn't a push here to ban and/or strictly regulate things like pressure cookers, ball bearings, and nails? Why am I not surprised that the immediate reaction to a bombing is "deal with it and move on?" when the immediate reaction to a shooting is "ban all guns!"

 

If there was moral consistency, one would treat both events the same way with the same push for fruitless legislation and bigger government. Think of the children! :rolleyes:

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There is a clear difference between legislating for things which have no strict purpose to kill people, and legislating for those things which do.

 

It's disappointing you've even attempted to use that argument.

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http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/claire-mccaskill-terrorism-boston-marathon-sandy-hook-90213.html

 

"Based on the evidence at this point, is there any difference between Sandy Hook and Boston other than the choice of weapon?” Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) asked Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano during a congressional hearing Wednesday.

 

Napolitano didn’t have a simple response.

 

“In terms of intent for death and destruction and injury, no,” she said, “Methodology, yes. And we don’t know the motivation behind, certainly, Boston — we don’t know whether it was domestic, it’s international ...”

 

“Or if it was identical to the motivation in Sandy Hook,” McCaskill suggested.

 

“It’s impossible for me to sit at the table today and say they are identical except in effect and impact,” Napolitano said.

 

On the same day the Senate was expected to vote on several gun-control provisions, McCaskill pressed Napolitano to reevaluate when and how the federal government defines a criminal act as terrorism — especially when, in the case of the Boston incident, no suspects or motives are known.

 

“We are so quick to call Boston terror,” McCaskill said. “Why aren’t we calling the man with the high-capacity assault weapon and the high-capacity magazine, why aren’t we calling him a terrorist?”

 

“I don’t know the answer to that question,” the secretary replied.

 

“It just is troubling to me,” said McCaskill, a former county prosecutor. “I think both of them, maybe they had identical motives. Just one chose a military-style weapon with a high-capacity magazine, and the other one chose to make a homemade bomb.”

 

I find this to be a very interesting argument. If we can put Senator McCaskill's clear anti-gun agenda aside, I still think it is a valid argument. We associate bomb with terrorist, and terrorist with middle eastern. It's easier to point fingers toward a country on the other side of the globe and say, "that country is full of terrorists." We do not immediately make that association when a white male massacres a group of theatre-goers or school children.

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When the white male is shot dead, the event is over and we don't need to worry anymore. When we're still looking for a bombing suspect two days later, there's reason to worry. Hence terrorist. Also we still have no idea the agenda behind the attack, hence terrorist.

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The breaking news is they're preparing to make an arrest, although reports are conflicting. I know the saying about chickens and eggs, but let's avoid using emotional terminology and stick to objective facts. The bomb was clearly designed to cause terror. Was it part of a wider terrorist conspiracy? We can't possibly know yet.

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