HTML5 beta discussion

[Urza285]

- Items dropped by monsters seem to be dropped in random spots where the monster once stood. This seems to be a foreshadowing of jagex eventually removing the movement grid. I might start looking for a drop picture to exemplify this. Here is what I got:

I think drop piles have changed, items now don't drop dead in the middle of a square, but sort of scattered about. I haven't seen items not dropping in the same square yet. It really has nothing to do with the grid system, that's not going anywhere any time soon.

The randomness is nice, but they did state in a dev blog a while back it was possible to minimize the grid by 10x.

[Sy_Accursed]

- Items dropped by monsters seem to be dropped in random spots where the monster once stood. This seems to be a foreshadowing of jagex eventually removing the movement grid. I might start looking for a drop picture to exemplify this. Here is what I got:

I think drop piles have changed, items now don't drop dead in the middle of a square, but sort of scattered about. I haven't seen items not dropping in the same square yet. It really has nothing to do with the grid system, that's not going anywhere any time soon.

The randomness is nice, but they did state in a dev blog a while back it was possible to minimize the grid by 10x.

Exactly even if they did minimize the grid it's not going anywhere.

Pretty much all games have a grid it's kinda impossible not too - the trick is just shrinking the grid to such an extent that it gives the illusion of free movement.

Afterall If our players occupy a 1x1 grid space its clear we are on a grid.

At 10x10 there'd be signs we are stuck to a grid but it'd be more fluid.

At 100x100 it'd be basically imperceptible that we are attached to a grid.

 

Also what they say they CAN do and what they WILL do anytime soon are two very different things.

[Krampell]

19/04 - 13:54

-Enabled secure websocket connections to the game worlds to help people behind outdated proxy servers

-Fix for when game tab is not focused causing logouts and crashes

-Added handling for multiple NPCs and players standing on top of each other

-Fixed tooltip on pets

-Fixed crash bug with resized windows and some post process effects

-Fixed dungeoneering map

-Added option to turn off custom cursors

-Fixed another clan variable crash

-Fixed a crash with removing head bars

-Fixed a crash with NPC variables

 

-Added handling for multiple NPCs and players standing on top of each other

 

Should fix stacking problem.

[SwreeTak]

19/04 - 13:54

-Enabled secure websocket connections to the game worlds to help people behind outdated proxy servers

-Fix for when game tab is not focused causing logouts and crashes

-Added handling for multiple NPCs and players standing on top of each other

-Fixed tooltip on pets

-Fixed crash bug with resized windows and some post process effects

-Fixed dungeoneering map

-Added option to turn off custom cursors

-Fixed another clan variable crash

-Fixed a crash with removing head bars

-Fixed a crash with NPC variables

 

-Added handling for multiple NPCs and players standing on top of each other

 

Should fix stacking problem.

 

Great. Now just fix the FPS please. :P

[Sy_Accursed]

Tbf all the crash fixes are quite probably helping FPS behind the scenes. Afterall something working wrongly enough to cause a crash, even when not actually spewing out a crash is likely to run slow, hog memory etc. Plus it does all kinda come down to how easy an issue it is to solve and ironing out crashes will help get more data on fps issues since more people can play for more time to help see what exactly is eating the fps and whether it is an ongoing issue or an initial load issue

[SwreeTak]

Tbf all the crash fixes are quite probably helping FPS behind the scenes. Afterall something working wrongly enough to cause a crash, even when not actually spewing out a crash is likely to run slow, hog memory etc. Plus it does all kinda come down to how easy an issue it is to solve and ironing out crashes will help get more data on fps issues since more people can play for more time to help see what exactly is eating the fps and whether it is an ongoing issue or an initial load issue

 

I hope you are right. For me it certainly is an on-going issue. I haven't had a crash for quite some time now in the BETA, but my FPS never reaches above 5 in the more popular places like Edge, Catherby, Ardounge, Varrock/GE. And my processor is at like 100% :P

[Quyneax]

My first floor was 80 minutes and 4 crashes, this one is looking to be a bit faster but still 3 crashes and not even at boss yet :(.

 

What annoys me is that I have a pretty pool of water (that I can walk on) but not even the door I need to exit the bloody room.

 

Edit: crash #4.

 

Edit2: crash #5.

 

Edit3:

It's getting better, twenty minutes faster, and a good amount of xp too.

[Sy_Accursed]

There is a specific sticky on the beta forum for users with powerful CPUs getting 5 FPS and under for Jagex to setup in house builds with same GPUs to test why they don't like it.

[SwreeTak]

There is a specific sticky on the beta forum for users with powerful CPUs getting 5 FPS and under for Jagex to setup in house builds with same GPUs to test why they don't like it.

 

Yes, I know. Posted in it already ;)

[Randox]

As a point about the water, most of the water in game in the beta client right now is a placeholder. I believe only the River Lum (well, most of it) has an actual water texture that might be making it into the game (I don't know if it's supposed to be final, or a work in progress).

 

As for the colours. There is a time and place for everything I suppose. I wouldn't mind things like the grass dialing it back a bit, especially seeing as I am fond of darker grasses anyway. It's the sort of thing I might expect in the fair dimension, if the fairy dimension had green grass. But I know the trees didn't jump out at me the last time I was playing, at least not for colour. My first issue was that I couldn't see when moving between Catherby and Seers along the road, because the trees pretty much block your entire field of view. On my way into Tiranwyn, I also noticed starting north of Ardounge that all the trees in this game really do looks exactly the same, and it's kind of disconcerting. Everything about them is unattural, from them all being the same model to the way they are so regularly placed. Combined with the flat terrain, and it's like the Uncanny Valley of trees, it just feels wrong.

 

I'm also coming around to the idea that the world map needs to be upscaled a bit. I didn't mind at first, but it gets more and more rediculous as time goes on. That all the dungeons can see each other now is a given issue I think, but I'm pretty sure I can see Entrana from Catherby (depending on how good my geography is, but I think that's the right island), and by see I mean it's 50m away tops, and a child could swim to it. It's a tough problem though, because not only would upscaling the map surely be loads of fun for Jagex, but it makes the world for the Java client quite lonely I think. It's going to be hard to reconcile that.

[Krampell]

19/04 - 16:16

-Fixed facebook and other single sign on logins

-Reduced lighting intensity on player and NPC models

[PolarBearBlue]

19/04 - 16:16

-Reduced lighting intensity on player and NPC models

 

Can anyone tell how this helps with how bright our characters look? I know my eyes burn when I wear the Assassin's outfit from sgs.

[XxTearGodxX]

Thanks for those of you who post the patch notes from the beta forums. I enjoy reading them :)

 

I like seeing stuff get fixed.

[liljjp]

so is the fps and lagging still a issue? lol

i was gunna try on my slighty better desktop buttt i feel it would be a waste of time because of the JAG approval glitch that is going on. Plus i would have to install Chrome and stuff.

 

didn't they said there was going to be no loading screens in between parts of the world in HTML 5? like it is all going to be preloaded? so it will all just flow well? lol.

[Sbrideau]

Still about 5 fps on my computer.

 

How do you guys zoom out like that? When I do the ctrl+ mouse wheel thing it only changes the size of the menus.

[brunokiller]

19/04 - 16:16

-Reduced lighting intensity on player and NPC models

 

Can anyone tell how this helps with how bright our characters look? I know my eyes burn when I wear the Assassin's outfit from sgs.

 

It's normal now

[Platinum_Myr]

Can't wait to try again tonight :)

[Urza285]

Can't wait to try again tonight :)

That's what she said (with the smily face).

[Unknown_Warrior]

19/04 - 13:54

-Enabled secure websocket connections to the game worlds to help people behind outdated proxy servers

 

Finally allowed me to login.

I pay €60 for this service per month (premium package) and stupid ISP won't even update their [bleep]ing proxy servers.

 

The gall!

[Sbrideau]

You should call them to tell them to update their proxy server.

 

Anyway how do you guys zoom out. People are so huge in html5 rs.... Setting the size in the browser only changes the size of the menus and such (and minimap etc).

[Omali]

Anyway how do you guys zoom out. People are so huge in html5 rs.... Setting the size in the browser only changes the size of the menus and such (and minimap etc).

 

I kinda like that. A lot of vanity items used to be completely useless since you really couldn't see them.

[Matey]

Anyway how do you guys zoom out. People are so huge in html5 rs.... Setting the size in the browser only changes the size of the menus and such (and minimap etc).

 

I kinda like that. A lot of vanity items used to be completely useless since you really couldn't see them.

 

No one even notices my pea hat :sad:

[Urza285]

I'm fairly certain that the zooming out part is locked away for now. I'm also betting they did it to minimize the amount of crashing or demand in performance because they knew it would be so bad at the start. Right now our game setting options are fairly limited and a lot can't be adjusted.

[IridiumBunny]

 

My black marketeer random was a bit more difficult this time around.

[Urza285]

Wow Lmfao that's horrible... I'm glad I stopped trying to do ports on beta after it constantly crashing.