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I thank all of you for your contributions so far!^_^ But could I please ask we stay on topic? I'm not able to do anything about the state of the HLF's, regardless of what my opinion is. I do understand in someways HLF's and P-Mods tie together, but not really much at all. Also, I fully understand some of you dislike P-Mods, I've had bad experiences with P-Mods in the past as well -- I've only been a P-Mod for 1 year out of the 5-6 years I've played. However, my personal opinion is I see P-Mods as needed, because certain things arise that need immediate action, or things such as gambling which was a huge disruption to most of the community, which although it took along time to get the ball rolling, it was taken out quickly when allowed.

 

What I'm asking for is ways you feel the P-Mod team can be improved, then I plan to relay this information to other P-Mods for discussion, and I'm sure changes will come out of it. As I said, I know some of you hate P-Mods, but P-Mods will not be removed from the game anytime soon (if ever), so I think a compromise could be mad and you could discuss what you think could improve your relations with the P-Mods. :)

 

Some examples I've seen from other areas:

- One player was muted for saying a fansite name on a few occasions; so I'll be relaying P-Mods need to know fansite information.

- One player said F2P is full of rule breakers and not enough mods; a possible solution is P2P mods visiting F2P worlds.

- One player said P-Mods aren't proactive enough in the community.

 

This is the type of things I'm looking for, it can be anything. "Start dealing with X", ect. I'm not set on what it needs to be, but as long as it's something with a solution and not just "I hate mods!! They need removed!!"

 

Thanks all for post so far! :D

 

Does anyone else get the feeling that he's not reading our posts? At least, not mine?

 

Gods this is like talking to Jagex ... #-o

 

I've read all post so far, but some were too OT. I'm sorry if I came off as rude/not listening, I do want your true/actual opinions...But I also need a bit more to work with in some cases, I understand people don't like P-Mods, I even understand why a lot don't -- but I need to know how you think that can be changed.

 

 

Why don't you try cleaning up world 77 around dungeoneering.

About the only time I wished I was still a pmod is when I was there. (of course you probably can't now since jagex keeps changing the rules)

Way too many spam bots sellling fc ranks and floors not to mention the undesirable people cursing everybody out and trolling floors. (in middle start cussing everybody out for no reason and rage quiting)

Alot these people need to find a new game (not runescape) to play.

 

I'll mention W77 and the spam there, thanks!^_^ I do agree, from what I've seen it's pretty hectic at times -- and very hard to find a floor.

 

 

My only annoyance at the OPs response is he seems to have disregarded all points given by people who think the pmod role is entirely redundant now as "I hate mods."

 

We still outlined reasons and points about WHY we think that, which constitute valid feedback on the role of pmods that could be taken and used even in a context of pmods existing.

 

I have read every post so far, including yours.:) While I see points in your post, you never really outlined away you thought P-Mods could be improved. I'm not here to argue with your view points/ideas, but I do need something to work with.:P What would you like to see mods doing differently? I'm not going to put specific things you need to outline with it, it can be anything. From my POV, we do much more than most think:

  • We are the "eyes" and "ears" for Jagex, we quickly report arising issues to them, and find ways to solve them. Without P-Mods, Jagex would need a lot more JMods for sorting things rules wise, even if we don't mute it -- we get it to their attention.
  • We are constantly discussing the rules and effects they have. Tired of the gambling threads that used to flood the forums? I've seen them quoted one hundred times over, and with tons of discussions on the course that should be taken. I feel it is important however, to have discussion like this -- while the community has more say, P-Mods are a more concentrated group, and most cases we have unbiased opinions.
  • We handle serious risk to players; real life threats, child abuse claims, ect. While the average player could, in some cases a quick mute is needed, IMO.
  • If a new issue arises that could lead to major trouble, P-Mods are often the first to go and aid the community, and we inform Jagex right away. The same for number 1 pretty much.
  • There are many other things, of course I can't go into them all -- but I feel P-Mods are needed, but I'm not here to argue we are/aren't.:P

 

Is it just me or is that a pretty narrow range of improvements? Most of which seem to circulate around the Completionist Cape ... :unsure:

Mod Chris L was heavily involved in the design for the max/completionist capes, so it's no wonder that he'd be more willing and quick to work on a piece of content much closer to his heart :P

 

Next to that he has a fair part into combat stuff...

 

Which only goes to demonstrate three things:

 

1. Jagex has lost touch with the average player. If the only forum that they listen to is the HLF, then they’ve lost contact with pretty much everyone else. HLF does not represent the “average” player.

 

(b) That said, neither do PMods represent the average player -- nor will they ever represent the average player. The moment you advance an ordinary player to another category, such as a PMod, that player loses his/her “average player” status. As such, Pmods are useless as a liaison group in much the same way the HLF is useless as a liaison group.

 

(iii) If anything, Jagex should be pouring over forums like TIF for more average player Feedback. All the more so because these forums, while moderated, are not generally moderated in such a manner as to spoon-feed the tender egos of Jmods when they break what is not already broken and ignore the obvious and sometimes glaring omissions in game.

 

I mean, really, hello? Jmods! Let’s stop with the SOF and SGS updates and get Prifddinas up and running already? Ok?

 

Hello? Hello!!!

 

*tap tap* Is this thing on?

 

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

 

:unsure:

 

I think he lost it perhaps because Blyaunt rambled on again and the content of the ramble was not original, as far as Runescape being geared around the completionist cape, well der! I thought that was the aim of the game, to get to the end so to speak, and on the subject of PMods, there seems to be a barrage of wrongful mutes recently , I was always of the opinion that PMods should be up to date on game updates etc., the ones I know have trouble finding the home page or even watching the BTS, if they are made PMod's then at least keep up with game updates but I think the main problem is that Jagex does not follow up on such reports, recently there was a mute (not me) that should have been investigated further. I also know a few mods on game who actually will hunt someone or a clan just to get some kind of personal gratification, or do it for a friend, I know because this has happened to me heh heh.... I do not think its the PMod as it is Jagex themselves.

 

Seriously, if they don't want to work on that, then why have a chat at all. So other than hiring more staff, maybe Jagex should not be spreading themselves so thinly, SOF seems now to be the distraction thrown at us when they let us down yet again....

 

And I have waves of "Shut up Meg" flow over me for some reason.....

 

Could you be more specific? Such as what types of wrong mutes; website ads, clan ads, spamming, ect. I've been seeing a lot on spamming, and I'm pretty sure it's the auto-mute system. And what about game updates?:o Do you mean for reporting wise, or just to direct people to the source?^_^

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I would like to know what you think about my idea for Player Moderators to try and act as a conduit between community and Jagex. I am away it works 1 way , from community to jagex, but I see the need from the community to be more informed on what Jagex does. They could make an topic more easily in the Player moderator section and let you know what's up and then Player moderators can spread the information further.

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I would like to know what you think about my idea for Player Moderators to try and act as a conduit between community and Jagex. I am away it works 1 way , from community to jagex, but I see the need from the community to be more informed on what Jagex does. They could make an topic more easily in the Player moderator section and let you know what's up and then Player moderators can spread the information further.

 

I personally like the idea, and I've suggested ways to do this several times. I'd personally love to see public Player Moderator forums where we could quickly spread news/updates to the community, but that's doubtful as many feel the forums are the domain of F-Mods only, not P-Mods. So we are very limited in what we can do, due to only being able to communicate in-game through the chat. We represent the community in many ways already, overall P-Mods pretty much have the same viewpoints as players in the community. If the community is pushing something rules wise...Chances are P-Mods have already been doing so for days before, in some cases months.

 

The only information however, you'd really be able to get from us is rules updates and things like that. We aren't given any future content information, if we ask we're told what other players would be, which is wait and see. While we do have a place to say our thoughts about the game, it's not nearly as active as HLF's. The community really has a better chance by going to the public forums and gathering attention. While J-Mods don't usually post in the forums (remember, it's the dev J-Mods checking these threads, and it's not their place to reply, only collect), they do read it. But if you have specific suggestions on how we can get information to the community I'd be happy to hear it.:)

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About the only time I wished I was still a pmod is when I was there.

 

Sorry but I have to ask, why did you "give it up"?

I accepted pmodship when there were no strings attached and we were players first.

I simply highlighted the obvious rule breakers and muted rwt bots on my daily runescape play (not going out of my way).

Then they started adding strings and I wasn't interested.

So when they told me we had to log in and read something, I didn't, and they took it away.

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Could you be more specific? Such as what types of wrong mutes; website ads, clan ads, spamming, ect. I've been seeing a lot on spamming, and I'm pretty sure it's the auto-mute system. And what about game updates?:o Do you mean for reporting wise, or just to direct people to the source?^_^

I can probably tell you which one she's talking about - A friend of hers was near someone talking about drugs. Y'know, one of the "Wooo 420 r0x blaze and SWAD and get high 'cause I cool yo!" kinda teens. So the friend used themselves as an example, said they'd done it too at one point and pointed out why it was wrong. That friend was muted for it.

 

I've personally been muted for some stupid stuff. Hell, at one of the recent TMHT events I was serenading Meredith (obviously joking around - he's a good friend) and received a nice lengthy mute for:

Stev : I wanna know you inside out

Stev : Give up the fight

Stev : I'm in control

Stev : Why don't you let it go

Stev : Just close your eyes

Stev : And shut your mouth

 

Now, this next bit is more of a problem with Jagex, not the PMods but... Jagex doesn't respond to mute appeals. I have appeals from years ago that have still went unanswered, the latest unanswered one being Nov 12th (I just don't appeal anymore). Now, If you're going to give PMods the power to mute, do your damn job and actually allow the people appeal their mutes.

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Could you be more specific? Such as what types of wrong mutes; website ads, clan ads, spamming, ect. I've been seeing a lot on spamming, and I'm pretty sure it's the auto-mute system. And what about game updates? :o Do you mean for reporting wise, or just to direct people to the source?^_^

I can probably tell you which one she's talking about - A friend of hers was near someone talking about drugs. Y'know, one of the "Wooo 420 r0x blaze and SWAD and get high 'cause I cool yo!" kinda teens. So the friend used themselves as an example, said they'd done it too at one point and pointed out why it was wrong. That friend was muted for it.

 

I've personally been muted for some stupid stuff. Hell, at one of the recent TMHT events I was serenading Meredith (obviously joking around - he's a good friend) and received a nice lengthy mute for:

Stev : I wanna know you inside out

Stev : Give up the fight

Stev : I'm in control

Stev : Why don't you let it go

Stev : Just close your eyes

Stev : And shut your mouth

 

Now, this next bit is more of a problem with Jagex, not the PMods but... Jagex doesn't respond to mute appeals. I have appeals from years ago that have still went unanswered, the latest unanswered one being Nov 12th (I just don't appeal anymore). Now, If you're going to give PMods the power to mute, do your damn job and actually allow the people appeal their mutes.

 

Thanks for extending the information.:) I'll bring up some of those points in the discussion on drug related things, and when to mute. Also, I will touch up on, even if you're mute isn't appealed, there is a team that handles P-Mod mutes and they are checked very quickly (from what I've seen, they are being reviewed within 10-30 minutes), so if the mute stayed it means a J-Mod reviewed it, and felt it was needed. Which, we have no control over.:P We actually get feedback on accuracy very often, and know when we muted wrong/right, and if a P-Mod has muted, or even made too many wrong reports that can result in action as well. Overall, the mute is very little used by myself, I never use it on stuff like the above -- and I'm a believer it shouldn't be, I think that would be fine with a report and review from Jagex, but that's my opinion. Anyway, I'll bring those points up.^_^

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I think they ought to toggle off the feature that makes pmods' chat appear in your chatbox regardless of your Public chat settings.

 

Have an option that mods can use when they really need everyone around to hear a warning, otherwise keep it off pl0x.

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I think they ought to toggle off the feature that makes pmods' chat appear in your chatbox regardless of your Public chat settings.

 

Have an option that mods can use when they really need everyone around to hear a warning, otherwise keep it off pl0x.

 

This has been discussed before, but the reasons why it isn't removed is in some cases we do need players to see the chat we say. However, I do agree it can be annoying at times. I will bring this up, and I really like the option to toggle for players to hear it, but the issue is I highly doubt Jagex would spend time on implementing that, so we would be left with a harder time communicating in cases where needed. The best option I can give you however, and what I personally do is add them to ignore. It just takes a right-click and clicking their name, then you can no longer see their chat.:) I think this would be much more plausible than having the coding changed, but that's just me.

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Have you read the last half of my post?

 

Yes, that's why I outlined I doubt Jagex would implement that solution. Player Moderator updates aren't top priority on the dev's list, in fact they are probably the lowest of pretty much anything. So, if it were removed it's likely no replacement would be added, which is why I would encourage the use of ignore vs. full removal. But I will relay this information.:)

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If its a redundant useless role why does it matter if its in game? Because having more than one skill, more than one JMod, etc. is redundant according to your definition. Jagex has a vision for there game whether we (or they) can fully see it, and they'll do what they want about this situation. When regular players complain about PMods it sounds like they're jealous of not having the title.

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Player Moderators are an outdated, redundant idea. They have no use in today's game at all. I have to say that even though she is blunt, Blyaunte does sum up things extremely well as the amount of likes on her first comment shows! Anyways I'll answer your questions too:

 

How do you think the Player Moderator team could be improved?

 

Scrap it. Just get rid of it entirely. I know 2 PMods - Blood Angel and Rainy - other than that I hardly ever see any PMods in game anymore. I can't quite even remember what service PMods are meant to provide anymore except having a pretty silver crown status symbol next to their names. In the past they perhaps provided a use, but apart from stories nowadays of PMods abusing their power and just muting people for the sake of it - ie. Draz was muted not too long ago which was apparently a PMod affair - there isn't really anything they do for the community anymore.

 

 

 

What would you like to see Player Moderators doing more of? (Events, Competitions, Q&A's, etc).

 

Nothing really. Events and Competitions happen with Jagex and Clans. There's no real call for more events, people organize them themselves these days. Q&A's I don't really see the point... What exactly can we ask you? "What's the funniest story of you muting someone?" There's nothing really unfortunately.

 

 

 

Do you agree with the current Player Moderator's role in the community? (Explain)

 

The question is "What role?" What actual role do PMods actually play within the game or RS community anymore? The only real role of PMods nowadays that I can think of is your own suggestion really... When they're annoying you through public chat being off and you can still see half of their conversations to put them on ignore:

 

The best option I can give you however, and what I personally do is add them to ignore. It just takes a right-click and clicking their name, then you can no longer see their chat. :) I think this would be much more plausible than having the coding changed, but that's just me.

 

But then the only role they seem to be performing is being on people's ignore lists not really fulfilling any functions cept for adding names to it. With that role in mind you have to question what actual use is a PMod anymore.

 

 

 

Are there any current issue's in the community you feel Player Moderators should be addressing?

 

None whatsoever. What issues can you address anymore? Jagex turned off the censor as they knew their playerbase was maturing and could handle swearing, so censor evasion is no longer an issue. Botting is picked up from reports and the botwatch programme. Gold Sellers are muted on the spot with Jagex watch - trust me, happened to me when sending a jest of a PM to my friend Octarine when he told me he'd not had a gold selling PM in months... Literally all I said was "Come to Ezks gold house for any type of gold you want! You want it, we got it! At only £1/1gp! You'd be a fool to miss out". So I don't even know what PMods use the mute function for anymore...

 

 

 

Any other thoughts on Player Moderators?

 

I know that this post seems very negative and castigatory, and I don't mean any offence to any PMod around. But I just don't see that the PMods have any role in today's game. The game has taken a direct slant more towards the Higher leveled players... So much is obvious from some updates. The fact is the population of RS - in my eyes - is stagnating a bit, and so the player base is becoming more mature. More players maxing and maturing with their accounts with little influx of new players has meant that PMods have no role in helping younglings around either. So ultimately... Do you guys even know what your role is anymore? Why you're doing what you're doing?

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Ezkaton made a much more logical and reasoned explanation on the "other half" of the players. When it's explained like that it is hard to argue against it, although I just don't see them eliminating the role.

 

Player Moderators stand as a sort of pillar, if you will, to the community. I've met only one corrupt PMod in my 8 years, like I said previously, and I think they are a good source of knowledge (while there are some that are much better) and can be trusted. All in all I think the Player Mod role is something that NEEDS to be in the game, simply because it becomes a "Jagex VS. Me" argument amongst people with any sort of muting or banning issue. It allows players to take out some anger and frustration, anger, bewilderment, etc. on someone that isn't a Jagex employee. A lot of the time, Player Mods do make a difference.

 

 

Of course, in the FC I frequent there is always at least 1 PMod in it, some times fluctuating up to 4 or 5, and in my clan we have at least 2 PMods constantly contributing, so my opinion may be flawed/biased.

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- One player said F2P is full of rule breakers and not enough mods; a possible solution is P2P mods visiting F2P worlds.

I can almost guarantee that this won't work. Members don't want to spend their time in free worlds, or at least they won't want to spent the necessary time to deal with things properly. A better solution would be to have more F2P mods. Given how Jagex feels towards pure F2P'ers though, that seems unlikely to happen.

 

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- One player said F2P is full of rule breakers and not enough mods; a possible solution is P2P mods visiting F2P worlds.

I can almost guarantee that this won't work. Members don't want to spend their time in free worlds, or at least they won't want to spent the necessary time to deal with things properly. A better solution would be to have more F2P mods. Given how Jagex feels towards pure F2P'ers though, that seems unlikely to happen.

 

I will bring up more F2P mods as well, I do feel that is a better solution long-term.^_^

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If its a redundant useless role why does it matter if its in game? Because having more than one skill, more than one JMod, etc. is redundant according to your definition. Jagex has a vision for there game whether we (or they) can fully see it, and they'll do what they want about this situation. When regular players complain about PMods it sounds like they're jealous of not having the title.

 

Interesting prospective, many feel the same.:) I well be honest, a few months ago...We pretty much muted nothing, but we are muting more and more. Albiet it's serious things now, you're not going to see muting for "Kiss my @ss", but serious things that leads to major disruption, or threats. The issue in the past was so many corrupt moderators and power abusers (IMO), Jagex does not want that. Jagex wants player to protect the community, not ruin the experience. We don't want to ruin others experiences either, we are players, not above normal players, we simply try to protect those from serious threats.

 

I'm not sure if I can cite recent examples of what has been taken out by PMods, that auto-mute couldn't do, but overall P-Mods are I feel coming back slowly, we aren't going to be muting like in the past (I wasn't a mod back then, but I know from seeing what some of muteable stuff was), as that really was piety stuff, IMO. I look for stuff such as mass spamming of chat, racism, seriously explicit discussion, ect. And I do want to emphasize why Jagex wants us involved in community, not so much in events just involved...In past the only role was to mute, they want us balanced, not just muters but they want us to be connected with the community. I fully understand that...You need to know the community if you're goingt to take action in it...I shouldn't be given mute ability and not understand the community.

 

For example, your post don't make me mad, at all. I understand why you see us the way you do, I can relate in some form or another. While I don't want to see P-Mods removed, I understand you're not attacking me but the role overall, and I believe a lot of P-Mods in past didn't grasp this either....Hopefully more and more are.:) From what I've seen through the years, moderators overall are a great group of people...And so are all RS players, there are just a few bad apples in the regular community that ruin it for everyone. I wish moderators weren't needed, but I doubt a utopia is possible.:P

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Personally the issue I have is that P Mods in general seem to want to be regular players, if you're going to have the special status you should be required to go after the rulebreakers and such. If Jagex wants to make P Mods useful they should have J mods around 24/7 that can respond to any P Mod reports of heavily botted areas and check them out to ban the bots. I know its possible because they used to do some P.R. stunts where they'd show up at a few heavily botted areas like zmi altar and ban a few bots then call it mission accomplished. Thats really the only way I can see P Mods becoming useful is with J Mod assistance.

 

Jagex just isn't willing to put in the effort to make P Mods useful and in many ways it seems some P Mods don't want to be made useful because they have their goals in the game too. I don't like the idea of more go-betweens for Jagex and the community, Jagex should be doing it directly but instead we get these offsite interviews we need to track down, or these podcasts that we either need to tune into their show or wait weeks and hope someone bothered to record it. Jagex seems to go out of their way to prevent the community from having information and adding another layer is just a bad idea. If you truly want information to go throughout the community then P Mod forums should be readable by everyone but only P Mods can post.

 

I'm sorry its not very helpful but its true, every job P Mods can currently do would be much better done by Jagex, and any job to make them useful would require major back-up support by Jagex to make it work.

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If its a redundant useless role why does it matter if its in game? Because having more than one skill, more than one JMod, etc. is redundant according to your definition. Jagex has a vision for there game whether we (or they) can fully see it, and they'll do what they want about this situation. When regular players complain about PMods it sounds like they're jealous of not having the title.

 

Interesting prospective, many feel the same. :) I well be honest, a few months ago...We pretty much muted nothing, but we are muting more and more. Albiet it's serious things now, you're not going to see muting for "Kiss my @ss", but serious things that leads to major disruption, or threats. The issue in the past was so many corrupt moderators and power abusers (IMO), Jagex does not want that. Jagex wants player to protect the community, not ruin the experience. We don't want to ruin others experiences either, we are players, not above normal players, we simply try to protect those from serious threats.

 

I'm not sure if I can cite recent examples of what has been taken out by PMods, that auto-mute couldn't do, but overall P-Mods are I feel coming back slowly, we aren't going to be muting like in the past (I wasn't a mod back then, but I know from seeing what some of muteable stuff was), as that really was piety stuff, IMO. I look for stuff such as mass spamming of chat, racism, seriously explicit discussion, ect. And I do want to emphasize why Jagex wants us involved in community, not so much in events just involved...In past the only role was to mute, they want us balanced, not just muters but they want us to be connected with the community. I fully understand that...You need to know the community if you're goingt to take action in it...I shouldn't be given mute ability and not understand the community.

 

For example, your post don't make me mad, at all. I understand why you see us the way you do, I can relate in some form or another. While I don't want to see P-Mods removed, I understand you're not attacking me but the role overall, and I believe a lot of P-Mods in past didn't grasp this either....Hopefully more and more are. :) From what I've seen through the years, moderators overall are a great group of people...And so are all RS players, there are just a few bad apples in the regular community that ruin it for everyone. I wish moderators weren't needed, but I doubt a utopia is possible. :P

 

mass spamming of chat, racism, seriously explicit discussion....all of this stuff sucks seeing in-game but thats what the ignore list is for. It seems like you're just there as Jagex P.R. pep squad now to prevent people from seeing anything negative. I'm not sure any of that is worth muting someone's account for days over especially when there's no context and its not happening in some extremely busy area. besides can a mute prevent the swastikas made out of burning logs and such, I once saw someone spell out racial epithets with logs. You can't really do anything, and I'm not sure you should. If Jagex wants the game censored then they should bring back the censor otherwise leave it alone and let the ignore lists do their work.

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The ignore list can only hold so many people, and just because YOU put them on your ignore list doesn't mean everyone else does, thus leading to everyone seeing the spam/racism/disruptive behavior. Obviously you can report them, but Jagex probably sees thousands and thousands of reports a day and not everyone of them can be tended to. PMods still can be effective in that aspect.

 

 

Tad bit off topic: I wish the friends and ignore lists were expanded so you could put more people on each. My ignore list is full, and it's quite annoying having to delete people just to ignore one troublemaker.

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People should be allowed to choose what they listen to, I wouldn't object to expanding ignore list.

 

The ignore list can only hold so many people, and just because YOU put them on your ignore list doesn't mean everyone else does, thus leading to everyone seeing the spam/racism/disruptive behavior.

 

If they choose to listen to the behaviour then its really not my business, Jagex has given people the tools to ignore these people and whether they choose to use them or not we do not need someone else coming in with the ability to make snap decisions and exert their own will over everyone else.

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I can be more specific, but because of reasons I will not mention the name of the players concerned, yes it was about someone bragging about his/her drug usage on the game and announced this in public and of course, was quite proud of it, now here is the kicker, 3 people at that 'event', there were more including myself, spoke out about the negatives of such behavior and used themselves as examples in offering friendly in game advise and it was friendly and in no way considered bullying, now unfortunately only one of those 3 was reported and the only one that was muted. You ask what the 'kicker' was right? The person muted for 24hrs was a PMod, this person has a meticulous record in reporting etc, mutes to Jagex, Perfect record, then its removed because a 'player' didn't like what the response was to his/her gloating in game.

 

Just recently there has been a barrage of mutes falling on players who are no where near 'spam bots' etc in game, yet receive a mute along with the explanation for it being 'Macroing etc.,' yet were refused the evidence in their inbox to view.

 

I also know of PMods on the hunt for specific players in the aid of another players' vendetta. Recent e.g. would be inter clan rivalry at one particular Mini Game and a PMod is recruited for one reason, players from the rival clan are muted and yet the allied clan members can get away with saying the same things and in the same conversation. I have been muted 72hrs for singing, I viewed my evidence and yet nothing there could have been remotely found to be offensive, admittedly I cannot sing in real and have had people run for their lives at celebrations =P , I appealed and that appeal is still pending as are a few others, and I know that my account is not the only one that has them pending. If Jagex does in fact have people sifting through reports and responding to them in the time period your saying they do, then why does this happen? Another example of a situation came regarding my name in game, it was reported as being offensive and when I went to log in, name change request immediately, now I know why this happened and who did it, of course providing evidence is another story and can be lost in the channels of RS gossip. Point is, my name was reported, Jagex would have reviewed this and my name before imposing the name change request upon my character. My name was back within 5 mins after taking a screen shot of my character along with the Jagex same named NPC. Obviously the mod who looked at the report, does not know Runescape. (btw, I am the original Far Quie ^^)

 

Jagex does need to update on its forms for reporting and the other thing they need to do is apply a small amount of commonsense, there are rules and I agree to those but with the small amount of evidence that is collected on a report, surely they can sit back and read it and make some judgement call as to how the punishment is handed. The other question I have is why include a profanity filter on their game site and then not follow up something to the reporting player in how to use it for a lot of silly little mutes. I know I swear at times, some words will never be typed into RS. Racial slurs and comments I do not tolerate, but there is a point where I am left shaking my head wondering when is Jagex going to just switch off the game chat option altogether. PMods should be up to date with all in game content or at least look at the home page occasionally, a lot of information does come from in game playing, but then a lot of information is found in the weekly update and since new players are recommended to ask a PMod for help, I would think that one of those reqs would be to monitor that side at least.

 

I know that a large majority of players who use this forum would have similar stories and are now as complacent as I am when it comes to hitting that report button.... Perhaps the J mods should come off their private servers and play our game for extended periods of time as a gold crown, in my 7 years playing, I have seen that twice and that was way back. Just a thought..... get in contact with the average gamer, stand at ge, come to soul wars and cw's that's where you will hear it, you wont hear it from a forum because the average Runescapian is basically lazy *ducks*, and forums like these usually have the same players posting the same blah blah's, oh and to offer some advice the the 'Blyaunt' complaint about HLF, Max, and Comp Capers should have it, they worked for it, and its there as part of the reward system. It's also another forum which gets buried in trolls much like the normal ones, the important stuff gets buried far too quickly.

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It's hard for me to provide feedback to the Player Moderators directly, when I know the fundamental problems with PMods cannot be solved by anyone other than the Jagex Moderators that manage the PMods. I see little point in providing thoughts to the desk workers when I know they'll only follow the orders of their bosses who are not listening to my concerns. At that, all of the PMods act of their own accord. Your providing feedback to them from the community may influence a few, but not the vast majority.

 

Each of the pieces of feedback I've seen mentioned in this thread I have viewed time and time again through the RuneScape forums. If Jagex and/or the moderators will not heed the feedback left for them on the official forums of the game they "moderate," then I can't imagine this situation being any different. I try to avoid being pessimistic (it's unhealthy), but there are times when I lack sound optimism. When it comes to moderators and Jagex, I found that I am more and more often leaning to the pessimistic side.

 

(I keep trying to type a lot more, but I can't make it say what I'm wanting to say. :P)

 

In the end, my conclusion is this: I have little faith in giving feedback on the small things when I know there are much, much bigger problems. I respect the effort, but I also recognize the effort is futile until Jagex steps in and gets their act together. Until then, I remain optimistically pessimistic.

 

And to add, I don't think the notion of removing Player Moderators is a far-fetched or sloppy idea. I'd rather have no PMods than PMods who even themselves don't know what their true purpose in the game is. The latter almost sounds more dangerous than some messages typed onto the screen that every player has the ability and tools to ignore.

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If its a redundant useless role why does it matter if its in game? Because having more than one skill, more than one JMod, etc. is redundant according to your definition. Jagex has a vision for there game whether we (or they) can fully see it, and they'll do what they want about this situation. When regular players complain about PMods it sounds like they're jealous of not having the title.

 

This has no logic to it what so ever.

By no definition of what has been said are Jmods or skills redudant.

Skills each have their own purpose and use.

Jmods are the staff of the studio that make the game exist.

 

Pmods, in mine and others opinion, are redundant because the purpose they served no longer exists for the most part, as proven by Jagex strings and ass-all idea what to do with them. They have no real vital functionality or purpose and are therefore redundant, nothing like the jmods who have the very important purpose of doing their jobs to make them game and nothing like skills which each have a varied usage in the game. It matters that it is in-game because it exemplifies Jagex's inability to act and just put an end to something that is not working anymore, it also matters due to the stupid mutes and general corrupt mods the system harbours. Not to mention the attitude of being 'better' than average players that some mods seem to have ingrained and the wanna-be-mod behaviour it inspires in kids trying to get the crown. These, whilst not true of all mods, are detrimental to the game and the community. Plus it just looks bad to have a system and a 'rank' in place that serves next to no purpose.

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The ignore list can only hold so many people, and just because YOU put them on your ignore list doesn't mean everyone else does, thus leading to everyone seeing the spam/racism/disruptive behavior. Obviously you can report them, but Jagex probably sees thousands and thousands of reports a day and not everyone of them can be tended to. PMods still can be effective in that aspect.

 

You're assuming two things - People are being exposed to the nasties because they would seem incapable of putting someone on ignore and Jagex do not deal with all reports. If you cannot prove either then it doesn't justify the pro-pmod point you're trying to make.

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I thank all of you for your contributions so far!^_^ But could I please ask we stay on topic? I'm not able to do anything about the state of the HLF's, regardless of what my opinion is. I do understand in someways HLF's and P-Mods tie together, but not really much at all. Also, I fully understand some of you dislike P-Mods, I've had bad experiences with P-Mods in the past as well -- I've only been a P-Mod for 1 year out of the 5-6 years I've played. However, my personal opinion is I see P-Mods as needed, because certain things arise that need immediate action, or things such as gambling which was a huge disruption to most of the community, which although it took along time to get the ball rolling, it was taken out quickly when allowed.

 

What I'm asking for is ways you feel the P-Mod team can be improved, then I plan to relay this information to other P-Mods for discussion, and I'm sure changes will come out of it. As I said, I know some of you hate P-Mods, but P-Mods will not be removed from the game anytime soon (if ever), so I think a compromise could be mad and you could discuss what you think could improve your relations with the P-Mods. :)

 

Some examples I've seen from other areas:

- One player was muted for saying a fansite name on a few occasions; so I'll be relaying P-Mods need to know fansite information.

- One player said F2P is full of rule breakers and not enough mods; a possible solution is P2P mods visiting F2P worlds.

- One player said P-Mods aren't proactive enough in the community.

 

This is the type of things I'm looking for, it can be anything. "Start dealing with X", ect. I'm not set on what it needs to be, but as long as it's something with a solution and not just "I hate mods!! They need removed!!"

 

Thanks all for post so far! :D

 

Does anyone else get the feeling that he's not reading our posts? At least, not mine?

 

Gods this is like talking to Jagex ... #-o

 

I've read all post so far, but some were too OT. I'm sorry if I came off as rude/not listening, I do want your true/actual opinions...But I also need a bit more to work with in some cases, I understand people don't like P-Mods, I even understand why a lot don't -- but I need to know how you think that can be changed.

 

 

I think the tragic irony of this entire conversation is that you have, perhaps unknowingly, wandered into this discussion literally looking for a job description for a position that no longer has any use, purpose or functionality. I think the problem here is that you’ve no idea what to do with yourself as a PMod, and you’re hoping that someone will come up with something for you to do.

 

The very fact that you’ve come to us, asking us to provide you with a job description only further illustrates the reality that, not only is the role of the PMod redundant, but that you‘ve, perhaps, finally come to grips with the realization that it’s redundant, and you're now seeking to find something to alleviate that fact and, hopefully, save your “job”.

 

Clearly, on some level, you've realized that you’ve no role to play in the current game as a PMod and, equally, no idea what role you should be playing within the current game, so you’re asking us to provide you with one.

 

Don't you think that this is a "sign"? Isn't the writing clearly on the wall?

 

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