Binary Mage Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 My thoughts on the book's info [spoiler=Armadyl]Armadyl's private diary of him wandering aimlessly to meditate on the death of the Aviansie. He walks around a lot, gets poked at by random insects, and feels weak (until the edicts are broken and he plans to return). He said he was going to return home. Home =/= Gielinor. Nor does it mention the Edicts falling. [spoiler=Bandos]Bandos sends letters to every single Goblin clan that follows him, telling them that all the other clans are stockpiling weapons and are plotting to defeat them. Informs them to stockpile weapons and prepare to fight the others. Essentially, he's smarter than he looks--he wants constant bloodshed, even if it means killing his own followers. He abuses the goblins' stupidity against them. If you pay attention to the names, he doesn't do that at all. Though he is still douche.Tribe 1 - Gets told off for making a big gold statue and told to tear it down and research weapons.Tribe 2 - Gets told Tribe 1 are going against Bandos as they pulled the statue down and are making the weaponsTribe 3 - Gets praised for smushing tribe 1 & 2 off their own initiative, after 1 and 2 had fought and stealing the weapons. Urged to cross the mountains and seas to fight more.Tribe 4 - Get's reprimanded for trying to be diplomatic and refusing to fight Tribe 3 even after being given the same weapons tribe 3 has via tribe 1's work. [spoiler=Saradomin]A bunch of Icyene quarrel a bit about farming and stuff but Saradomin steps in and tells them to fight for him. Apparently they would prefer to be peaceful, but Saradomin motivates them to war. What a jerk. The Icyene are fighting rebels on their homeworld whilst Saradomin is away. A priest urges them to fight the rebels as Saradomin is finally returning (due to edicts). It's never a full out war and Saradomin never actually featured until the very end when he saved the writer from his depression. [spoiler=Zaros]A chronicle of Zaros' followers before and during the God Wars. As the godwars started, his followers retreated to the wilderness fortresses. Most of them died during the God Wars, but those that remained stayed true. The last part is his most senior follower, who realizes Zaros' true purpose---when he returns, he won't care about his previous followers. He will take interest in whoever will best execute his plan. He has no care for loyalty. Ends in a VERY interesting quote--that she sees a throne in a realm of shadows, but that noone sits on it. She says that he is there--in the nothingness. The empty throne is occupied by him--for he is the Empty Lord and rules without directly influencing. Apparently it implies that he has no real physical form, and never has. Not entirely true Zaros had ORIGINALLY surrounded himself with followers but was cast into the shadow realm by Zamorak stabby thing. The last follower realises Zaros has decided being surrounded by followers leads to betrayal so he is taking his control mantra further to be the unseen puppet behind everything utilising only a select few powerful allies. He still sent her a vision for being loyal and he hasn't abandoned anybody. [spoiler=Sliske]A bunch of tales talking about how the Desert Gods fought for Zaros, commanded by the Mahjarrat. Sliske's fighting style is described a lot, and he is generally called shadowy and deceitful. Nothing much about his current plans Seriously wtf did you read?The entire story is about the Kharidians and their gods fighting AGAINST the Zarosian forces and *finally* making headway when Icthalrin returned with the 'Stern Judges' aka the Mahjaratt. Let us not forget after all the Mahjaratt came to Gielinor as devotees to the Desert Pantheon and later abandoned them for Zaros before splintering to Zamorak. [spoiler=Seren]She and her followers originally came from a plane of Crystal (essentially giant crystal cities floating in space) Guthix forced her to leave the world when the Edicts were created--in a very angry way that had none of the love he once felt for her. She wanted only to protect her people and live without the influence of the warring gods--she had no part in the God Wars. She decides to comply with Guthix because of the love she still feels for him, and instead splits herself into billions of pieces of crystal to be used as weapons and tools by the elves. The elves want to bring all of these shards together to re-create her, or open the World Gate to go back to their world to try and summon her again. Seems like the most peaceful of the gods. Seren did anything but comply with Guthix, she exploded herself to actively defy him as being 'dead' she could not be expelled. Notable the Elves have ideas of how she might be restored but that does not neccessarily gurantee it will work. Added some comments because it bugged me how off base you readings were compared to what the books ACTUALLY say. Armadyl - Wasn't it established that the Aviansie were primarily on Gielinor? They were wiped out during the God Wars, and then Armadyl decided that they were entirely dead because they were gone from Gielinor. It seems entirely plausible that this is the world he is talking about. I mostly based the Edicts part off the fact that he "feels that it is now time to return" to the place that I believed to be Gielinor. The entire thing was written in such vague, poetic language (silly Armadyl) that I doubted it would mention the Edicts directly if it did. Bandos - Agreed, but my notes were intended as simply abridged interpretations. For the most part he was getting them to war against each other. Saradomin/Zaros - Noted. Sliske - I was completely thrown off by the line "From far away I could make out the Kharidian gods thundering through the enemy with the Stern Judges at their backs". I haven't read up on the Desert Pantheon lore in a while so it seemed like the passage was switching back and forth to me. Apologies. Seren - It's entirely debatable that she intended to specifically defy Guthix. The books says that she "would not abandon us completely" and that "(Guthix) gave her no choice but to leave", implying that she was simply complying with Guthix in a way that also helped her people. Her spiritual form is still beyond our world, but she destroyed her physical one to allow it to help her followers. The Fallen Diviner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampell Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I was quite disappointed on the godless faction.Not what I expected it to be.I'm gonna go with either Seren or Sliske, not much known but better than godless. And the other gods were douches in TWW. I think they pretty much had to make the Godless disappointing--if they were as appealing as they were in TWW, 70% of players would pick them. I'm glad I found a god, at least. I was originally going to be one of the Godless, but I just find Seren so appealing after all this lore.Yeah true.I'm sticking with Seren for now.Why the Godless is disappointing?Actually when thinking about it I'm yet not sure between Seren and Godless.Reading up on the lore on Seren makes me think that the Godless would be the best choice for me afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blyaunte Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Armadyl? I'd have to say RED, WHITE AND BLUE! Justice, peace and freedom. The proud avianese represent them, soaring through the sky, delivering justice on the guilty. Equal opportunity, liberty and a fair chance at prosperity. Join the Armadylians. Join the United Scapers of Armadyl. P.S. 1776th post. I just threw up a little ... :wacko: [Off Topic +1]So I am wondering, what happens when Zaros comes back? Is he and Zamorak gonna have a throw down or what? [/Off Topic] P.S. I didn't realize that we can put emotes in our ability bar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Armadyl - Weak and powerless because he has basically no following and lost his staff. If he comes back he'll either be killed quickly or no one will really care enough about him to do anything Bandos - He just likes to have fun. He is more powerful than his minions, so he does what he wants to them. He believes that the powerful should rule, which is probably the most natural and most easily enforceable. In a way, he's a lot like Zamorak, except he doesn't necessarily use his chaos for good. Regardless, he keeps the lives of his minions interesting and eventful, giving them a meaning in life. Saradomin - Basically a mockery of the Catholic church. He has goals (were they ever revealed?) that he will do anything to achieve. My guess is that he wants to be the only god so that he doesn't have to share power. Mortals are merely pawns to him, he doesn't see them as living beings like himself. He will lie to them, cheat them, and abuse them for the sake of his goal. Seren - She loves her followers immensely. They're all that matter to her. She only wants what is best for them. She has a very specific idea of what is "best", though. Peace, isolation, freedom. She fails to see that this leads to the monotony and meaninglessness that found Zamorak's beliefs. It also seems that unless a follower truly loves her, he or she will get nothing from her. Sliske - A wildcard. He may have had contact with Zaros, if he can actually travel to the Shadow Realm, rather than just disappearing and reappearing somewhere else. His motives and goals are a mystery. He's very intelligent, selfish but loyal, and very powerful. Siding with him is a gamble, either he will forsake his followers and follow a selfish desire, or he will award those who aid him magnificently. Zamorak - He believes that chaos brings meaning to life. Without it, we grow complacent. We never stop trying to improve ourselves, our society, or our world. Yes, there is destruction, but it fosters growth and society becomes stronger. We see this in the real world as communities form strong bonds after disasters. In a way, he wants what is best for everyone, not just his followers. He knows that he must provide an impetus for humanity to grow. If Seren were in control, life would be meaningless. Zaros - He just wants power. He seems to be very similar to Saradomin, like pretty much exactly the same. In the modern age, we think of him as deceitful and evil, but Saradomin was as well. Saradomin just managed to maintain a reputation of wholesomeness and justice. Zaros probably lied to his followers as well. The Godless - They have a lot of things right, especially how gods only cause war and destruction. The teachings of Zamorak say that this isn't a bad thing, though, because it creates progress and meaning. The beliefs of the Godless seem to be based around the short life spans of humans, where "the greater good" has no meaning to them, because benefits are only seen generations later. It is unlikely that this faction would garner support from any major creature other than humans for that reason. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylpheed Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 @Above I disagree with your interpretation of Zaros. Saradomin wants all his followers to adore and love him as the one rightful God. Zaros no longer has any interest in ruling over great land masses. Instead, I get the feeling he wants a closed circle of loyal allies with which to subtly control and direct events of the world without anyone knowing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howlin0001 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I wanna see this map and stuff people are talking about, stupid services.runescape not loading bs -.-Big image[hide][/hide]Where geen is Guthix, blue is Saradomin, red is Zamorak, light blue is Seren, orange is Marimbo, purple is Bandos, Pink is Zaros and yellow is Tumeken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binary Mage Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I wanna see this map and stuff people are talking about, stupid services.runescape not loading bs -.-Big image[hide][/hide]Where geen is Guthix, blue is Saradomin, red is Zamorak, light blue is Seren, orange is Marimbo, purple is Bandos, Pink is Zaros and yellow is TumekenPink is Bandos and Purple is Zaros--Jagex messed up the color key by accident. am i the only person who finds bandos being pink to be hilariously ironic? The Fallen Diviner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blyaunte Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I wanna see this map and stuff people are talking about, stupid services.runescape not loading bs -.-Big image[hide][/hide]Where geen is Guthix, blue is Saradomin, red is Zamorak, light blue is Seren, orange is Marimbo, purple is Bandos, Pink is Zaros and yellow is TumekenPink is Bandos and Purple is Zaros--Jagex messed up the color key by accident. am i the only person who finds bandos being pink to be hilariously ironic? *Nope - I found it hilarious as well ...* :lol: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampell Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I wanna see this map and stuff people are talking about, stupid services.runescape not loading bs -.-Big image[hide][/hide]Where geen is Guthix, blue is Saradomin, red is Zamorak, light blue is Seren, orange is Marimbo, purple is Bandos, Pink is Zaros and yellow is TumekenHey wait a minute, why can't we follow the monkey god? :( 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 @Above I disagree with your interpretation of Zaros. Saradomin wants all his followers to adore and love him as the one rightful God. Zaros no longer has any interest in ruling over great land masses. Instead, I get the feeling he wants a closed circle of loyal allies with which to subtly control and direct events of the world without anyone knowing.I suppose that's true now. But in the days before he was stabbed by Zamorak, I think he wanted to control Gielinor and be seen as the rightful ruler of all civilization, which is similar to what Saradomin wants. I can imagine Saradomin and Zaros being at odds with each other, because neither are explicitly good or evil and they want similar things (singular rule). @Kramp: Basically because he's not a serious god. He's in the same category as Brassica Prime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspeeder Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 What's the deal with the godless emissary?Am I joining the godless or the Sioux Nation?You would have thought he would have been one of the druids or a gnome or a dwarf, or even a nordic barbarain, but not a native american.When did they get into runescape?Where are you reading Sioux from, his skin color/clothes in the concept art? In game he's more pale, and honestly through his dialogue he strikes me as a nomadic barbarian. http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww6/aspeeder/Siggy_zpsewaiux2t.png 99 Strength since 6/02/10 99 Attack since 9/19/10 99 Constitution since 10/03/10 99 Defense since 3/14/11 99 Slayer since 8/30/11 99 Summoning since 9/10/11 99 Ranged since 09/18/11 99 Magic since 11/12/11 99 Prayer since 11/15/11 99 Herblore since 3/29/12 99 Firemaking since 5/15/12 99 Smithing since 10/04/12 99 Crafting since 9/16/13 99 Agility since 9/23/13 99 Dungeoneering since 1/1/14 99 Fishing since 2/4/14 99 Mining since 2/28/14 99 Farming since 6/04/14 99 Cooking since 6/11/14 99 Runecrafting since 10/10/14 9 Fletching since 11/11/14 99 Thieving since 11/14/14 99 Woodcutting since 11/20/14 99 Construction since 12/03/14 99 Divination since 2/22/15 99 Hunter since 2/23/15 99 Invention since 01/20/17 99 Archaeology since 5/14/22Quest Point Cape since 08/20/09 Maxed since 2/23/15 Fire Cape since 02/27/13 Slayer: 3 Leaf-Bladed Swords, 8 Black Masks, 2 Hexcrests, 26 Granite Mauls, 5 Focus Sights, 32 Abyssal Whips, 9 Dark Bows, 1 Whip Vine, 3 Staffs of Light, 15 Polypore Sticks Dragon: 9 Draconic Visages, 7 Shield Left Halves, 20 Dragon Boots, 40 Dragon Med Helms, 8 Dragon Platelegs, 6 Dragon Spears, 20 Dragon Daggers, 5 Dragon Plateskirts, 1 Dragon Chainbody, 63 Off-hand Dragon Throwing Axes, 19 Dragon Longswords, 27 Dragon Maces, 1 Dragon Ward Treasure Trails: Saradomin Full Helm, Ranger Boots, Rune Body (t), Saradomin Vambraces, Various God Pages Misc:1 Onyx,1 Ahrim's Hood, 1 Guthan's Chainskirt, 1 Demon Slayer Boots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Basically because he's not a serious god. He's in the same category as Brassica Prime.I would have followed Brassica Prime without a second thought if they had given me the option. But they're railroading bastards so I can't. :cry: 1 I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Basically because he's not a serious god. He's in the same category as Brassica Prime.I would have followed Brassica Prime without a second thought if they had given me the option. But they're railroading bastards so I can't. :cry:That's the problem. A lot of people would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binary Mage Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Just because I don't think anyone else has posted them yet: [spoiler=Banner Buffs Spoiler]All of the buffs are Active Level buffs like potions are. (Not invisible ones) The buff gained by completing all of the Combat tasks increases your basic combat stats (Attack, Strength, Defense, Magic, Ranged) by a certain amount (was 5 levels for me) for 30 minutes once per day.The buff gained by completing all of the Production tasks allows you to choose a non-combat skill (other than Agility) to increase by a certain amount (4 levels for me) for 30 minutes once per day.And finally the Exploration reward lets you boost your Agility level by a certain amount (was 4 for me) for 30 minutes once per day. Pretty decent considering the length, especially for things like reaching quest requirements without the actual level. Combat boost might be worth bringing along for something like Nex or other bosses. The Fallen Diviner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 The map mildly bugs me in that they've said about 3 or 4 times now there IS a fremmy god yet all the fremmy-linked areas are marked Guthix.Lol at digsite though Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matey Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Just because I don't think anyone else has posted them yet: [spoiler=Banner Buffs Spoiler]All of the buffs are Active Level buffs like potions are. (Not invisible ones) The buff gained by completing all of the Combat tasks increases your basic combat stats (Attack, Strength, Defense, Magic, Ranged) by a certain amount (was 5 levels for me) for 30 minutes once per day.The buff gained by completing all of the Production tasks allows you to choose a non-combat skill (other than Agility) to increase by a certain amount (4 levels for me) for 30 minutes once per day.And finally the Exploration reward lets you boost your Agility level by a certain amount (was 4 for me) for 30 minutes once per day. Pretty decent considering the length, especially for things like reaching quest requirements without the actual level. Combat boost might be worth bringing along for something like Nex or other bosses. What non-combat non-agility skill did you boost? I did cons at level 90 and it only boosted it by 2 to 92. Maybe it depends on level or skill? To hell with humanity;The more I see, the less I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Doesn't anyone else find it extremely strange that Drakan Castle is marked as Zarosian?That's the Barrows area. 1 Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binary Mage Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Just because I don't think anyone else has posted them yet: [spoiler=Banner Buffs Spoiler]All of the buffs are Active Level buffs like potions are. (Not invisible ones) The buff gained by completing all of the Combat tasks increases your basic combat stats (Attack, Strength, Defense, Magic, Ranged) by a certain amount (was 5 levels for me) for 30 minutes once per day.The buff gained by completing all of the Production tasks allows you to choose a non-combat skill (other than Agility) to increase by a certain amount (4 levels for me) for 30 minutes once per day.And finally the Exploration reward lets you boost your Agility level by a certain amount (was 4 for me) for 30 minutes once per day. Pretty decent considering the length, especially for things like reaching quest requirements without the actual level. Combat boost might be worth bringing along for something like Nex or other bosses. What non-combat non-agility skill did you boost? I did cons at level 90 and it only boosted it by 2 to 92. Maybe it depends on level or skill? I boosted Crafting and I believe it went from 76 to 80, so I'm not entirely sure what the formula is. o_O The Fallen Diviner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammako Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I wanted to keepsake a dominion staff but apparently you can't :(You sure you aren't just doing it wrong?Gotta use the item on the key, not the other way around. I had the same problem with sea singer's robes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum_Myr Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I'm curious if this boost would help much at pyramid plunder for failure rate :) Maxed since Sunday, January 9th, 2014Completionist since Wednesday, June 4th, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I'm curious if this boost would help much at pyramid plunder for failure rate :)Probably not. Using it + the aura at traders might be better than PP though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirkka Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I would like to know how the god events work before choosing. If it depends on the amount of backers a god has, I'm going to choose the biggest faction, even if it was Zamorak or Saradomin which I hate. 40,919th person to access Turmoil. 21,559th person to access Overloads. Are there any hidden bonuses here? No bonuses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammako Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 It sounds like they finally figured out how to make proper bonfires: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strilmus Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Attempting to correct the color error on the wiki page leads to being blocked by the spam filter, for a piece of code THEY put in, which is part of the original page. It's like they don't want users to actually be able to help with anything, considering this also happens when you post beta error codes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Runar Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I wanted to keepsake a dominion staff but apparently you can't :(You sure you aren't just doing it wrong?Gotta use the item on the key, not the other way around. I had the same problem with sea singer's robes. I'm sure I did it right, it even gave a message saying that you can't add that item to the keepsake box. 1 The Runar's (OSRS) DIY blog - most viewed Blogscape blog ever! Contract? /人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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