muggiwhplar Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Just because it isn't the best doesn't mean it's obsolete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estoc Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Nex is clearly sleeping with the developersWhy make Nex obsolete?Barrows, Dragon, Rune, Adamant, Mithril, Steel, Iron, Bronze among many others are not obsolete, and they don't need set effects or constant attention to stay relevant. Just because it isn't the best doesn't mean it's obsolete This. They could have even made port armor have a defensive effect, maybe 5% of damage removed like the spirit shield's effect but without the prayer drain. Both sets would then be useful. From the empty days of hope, deny the darknessFollow my voice, we'll run far away from hereIf only to hide, to escape this lifeAnd live forever, forever in the sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thus Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Saying Jagex is trying to make Nex sets not obsolete is not right. The reasons why PoP armors are never used isn't because of Nex armor set effects, or because the armor bonuses aren't enough. PoP armor is currently being made to be sold, not worn. The people buying them have money to burn or are either keepsaking or flipping them. They are nowhere near common and may remain uncommon for a very long time, especially if that 10 hour time limit persists. If PoP armor was a drop from something like KK that did not degrade to dust, or even if the tradeable version we have right now did not disappear after use, it would be worn regardless of Nex armor's pitiful set effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest_Cape_K Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Obsolete wasn't the word, Nex would be bossed much less because nex items would hit the floor, again. Only useful items would be wand/book/boots/gloves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estoc Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Obsolete wasn't the word, Nex would be bossed much less because nex items would hit the floor, again. Only useful items would be wand/book/boots/gloves. That's assuming the Port set's effect would just be a scaled up damage boost. Also, while they're meddling trying to save nex from being deserted, they're steadily marching the requirements higher. In past couple months we've had I think the ranged prayer added and a power increase across the board. How about let the level 80s kill it Jagex? From the empty days of hope, deny the darknessFollow my voice, we'll run far away from hereIf only to hide, to escape this lifeAnd live forever, forever in the sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest_Cape_K Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Damage boost is what the main rs population consider, if it isn't max dps then it isn't worth it.Accuracy isn't much of a problem at the moment due to t90/80 weapons and bosses not being that high levelled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggiwhplar Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Obsolete wasn't the word, Nex would be bossed much less because nex items would hit the floor, again. Only useful items would be wand/book/boots/gloves. Is that a bad thing? >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I just want my ports armour, which takes quite a bit of dedication to obtain, to be worth using *somewhere* and if possible at *lots of places*. Ports armour *is* pretty expensive to use, and it can't be sold back after you're done with it - time spent getting full superior can't be recovered. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayc3399 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Just another way to put the money in PvM'ers hands instead of the skillers. Same way it has been for years. Quest Cape Achieved on November 14, 2007Items AcquiredCrystal Pick and HatchetBerzerker Ring x 33/28 Barrows Items Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest_Cape_K Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Obsolete wasn't the word, Nex would be bossed much less because nex items would hit the floor, again. Only useful items would be wand/book/boots/gloves. Is that a bad thing? >_>Nexers would just go to KK/GWD bosses, I see complaints from many lower levelled players because of high levels camping GWD.We need a boss that doesn't require mass teams/top end gear, a boss based on skill.Ports armour could speed up rate of adrenaline or maybe something like damage/speed increases the longer you are in combat. This would make full use of the high defence while still not giving immediate boosts over Nex set effects, top-end however, ports gear would be very useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estoc Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Obsolete wasn't the word, Nex would be bossed much less because nex items would hit the floor, again. Only useful items would be wand/book/boots/gloves. Is that a bad thing? >_>Nexers would just go to KK/GWD bosses, I see complaints from many lower levelled players because of high levels camping GWD.We need a boss that doesn't require mass teams/top end gear, a boss based on skill.Ports armour could speed up rate of adrenaline or maybe something like damage/speed increases the longer you are in combat. This would make full use of the high defence while still not giving immediate boosts over Nex set effects, top-end however, ports gear would be very useful. Qbd. Sadly, the drops are valued so low just because of these reasons. You get what you give. 1 From the empty days of hope, deny the darknessFollow my voice, we'll run far away from hereIf only to hide, to escape this lifeAnd live forever, forever in the sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumpta Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 While I get the fear of making a boss/Nex obsolete, surely the same goes for PoP? If the armours turn out not to be worth it, ports will be dead very soon, with nobody wanting to invest months of time into the endeavour. I tend to trust that Jagex will come around and adjust this situation. Eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest_Cape_K Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Obsolete wasn't the word, Nex would be bossed much less because nex items would hit the floor, again. Only useful items would be wand/book/boots/gloves. Is that a bad thing? >_>Nexers would just go to KK/GWD bosses, I see complaints from many lower levelled players because of high levels camping GWD.We need a boss that doesn't require mass teams/top end gear, a boss based on skill.Ports armour could speed up rate of adrenaline or maybe something like damage/speed increases the longer you are in combat. This would make full use of the high defence while still not giving immediate boosts over Nex set effects, top-end however, ports gear would be very useful. Qbd. Sadly, the drops are valued so low just because of these reasons. You get what you give.Drops at QBD are almost useless, only good drops specific to QBD are the royal crossbow parts. QBD is also being botted and takes around 3mins to kill so a harder/more time consuming boss would be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemis1330 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 While I get the fear of making a boss/Nex obsolete, surely the same goes for PoP? If the armours turn out not to be worth it, ports will be dead very soon, with nobody wanting to invest months of time into the endeavour. I tend to trust that Jagex will come around and adjust this situation. Eventually. It's 10mins per day. It may take time to get the gear but it's very little investment. I am not a skiller, but i do some skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumpta Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Honestly, the way I see it, for the average RS player who wants quick returns, it's a rather big investment. Why bother if there's no profit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thus Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Honestly, the way I see it, for the average RS player who wants quick returns, it's a rather big investment. Why bother if there's no profit?This is why there are so many people wishing for Nex armor to drop. Everyone wants things quickly and easily. These same people were wishing bandos armor would drop, and barrows and whips before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggiwhplar Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Honestly, the way I see it, for the average RS player who wants quick returns, it's a rather big investment. Why bother if there's no profit?This is why there are so many people wishing for Nex armor to drop. Everyone wants things quickly and easily. These same people were wishing bandos armor would drop, and barrows and whips before that. Comparing apples to oranges. Nex literally takes (or took, pre-EOC; not sure what current prices are) 10x the amount of time/effort to obtain than barrows and whips did back in the day. Not to mention the fact that low lvls could complete barrows, just with less efficiency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hajutze Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 While I get the fear of making a boss/Nex obsolete, surely the same goes for PoP? If the armours turn out not to be worth it, ports will be dead very soon, with nobody wanting to invest months of time into the endeavour. I tend to trust that Jagex will come around and adjust this situation. Eventually.For now PoP is the only place that can give you scrimshaws so even if the armor sucks it will stay relatively lively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 They could make Nex gear relevant by making it prettier than PoP armor. Why would you buy Nex gear when it's worse and ugly? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest_Cape_K Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Honestly, the way I see it, for the average RS player who wants quick returns, it's a rather big investment. Why bother if there's no profit?This is why there are so many people wishing for Nex armor to drop. Everyone wants things quickly and easily. These same people were wishing bandos armor would drop, and barrows and whips before that. Comparing apples to oranges. Nex literally takes (or took, pre-EOC; not sure what current prices are) 10x the amount of time/effort to obtain than barrows and whips did back in the day. Not to mention the fact that low lvls could complete barrows, just with less efficiency.Pernix and virtus are pretty affordable right now, sure it takes longer to get than barrows but it is top gear at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemis1330 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 (edited) Honestly, the way I see it, for the average RS player who wants quick returns, it's a rather big investment. Why bother if there's no profit? -10mins/day-no gp needed-halfway to 99 in just 3 of the 25 skills If that is too much for you then have fun in your black dhide. edit- grammar Edited January 30, 2013 by Artemis1330 I am not a skiller, but i do some skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thus Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Honestly, the way I see it, for the average RS player who wants quick returns, it's a rather big investment. Why bother if there's no profit? -10mins/day-no gp needed-halfway to 99 in just 3 of the 25 skills If that is too much for you then have fun in you're black dhide.Judging by the way people post, a lot of people are fine with complaining in dhide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumpta Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Honestly, the way I see it, for the average RS player who wants quick returns, it's a rather big investment. Why bother if there's no profit? -10mins/day-no gp needed-halfway to 99 in just 3 of the 25 skills If that is too much for you then have fun in you're black dhide. No need to make it this personal. I'm talking about the average scaper. Skillers (like I've always been fyi) actually *need* those average "lazy" scapers to make profits. Jagex promoted PoP as a way for skillers to profit, similar to MTK... I do admit however that profiting isn't necessarily strictly limited to making money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest_Cape_K Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Honestly, the way I see it, for the average RS player who wants quick returns, it's a rather big investment. Why bother if there's no profit? -10mins/day-no gp needed-halfway to 99 in just 3 of the 25 skills If that is too much for you then have fun in you're black dhide.Judging by the way people post, a lot of people are fine with complaining in dhide.People measure herb farming in gp/hour only counting the time in which the herb run is done. I don't see why it doesn't apply to POP as well, sure it may be a bit more difficult, but it can be done roughly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemis1330 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Honestly, the way I see it, for the average RS player who wants quick returns, it's a rather big investment. Why bother if there's no profit? -10mins/day-no gp needed-halfway to 99 in just 3 of the 25 skills If that is too much for you then have fun in you're black dhide. No need to make it this personal. I'm talking about the average scaper. Skillers (like I've always been fyi) actually *need* those average "lazy" scapers to make profits. Jagex promoted PoP as a way for skillers to profit... I do admit however that profiting isn't necessarily strictly limited to making money. I do not mean you as in you personally. Meant it the same way you did. I am not a skiller, but i do some skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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