Wkw Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 It is, and it should devalue it, even by a little bit. And who is to say it will be easy to get? Superior ports is very easy to get, but the time investment is HUGE. Runescape player since 2005 Ego Sum Deus Quo Malum Caligo et Barathum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I'm saying that it would only devalue virtus because people are illogical. It'd be useless in the metagame, and I'm not sure how I feel about that. I don't think good weaponry should be that easy to obtain, but I'd like the new content to have a purpose.Virtus weaponry has an illogical value anyway. It's horrifically over priced. I agree that a level 80 weapon shouldn't be worth as much as a level 90 weapon, but it isn't due to illogical behavior within the economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradomin_Mage Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Can you explain how t80 virtus wand + book would be better than a t85 staff? Is it concentrated blast, or the ability to shield? In real life MMO you don't get 99 smithing by making endless bronze daggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenw Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 How exactly would T85 staff be outclassed by Virtus? Is concentrated blast that Overpowered that is capable of overcoming both damage AND accuracy difference between them? Edit: Damn it, got ninja'ed 6,924th to 30 hunting, 13,394th to 30 summoning, 52,993rd to 30 DivinationKiln Record (Post-EoC): W 25 - L 0, 14 Uncut Onyx, 8 Jad hits received (Best record: Two in the same kiln)Obby set renewed post update #2: 0QBD drops: 21 crossbow parts, 3 Visages, 1 Kites, 2 KitsMax Port Score [2205] Achieved: 27th April 2013 (World 2nd) Farmyard Rampage ranking: 12th, 50,000 Kills. Dragon Pickaxe Drops: 1 (Times after I first entered Battlefield: 2h) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th e Doctor Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Maybe I missed it somewhere but can someone confirm/link to where we know that ports mage weapons are going to be a staff and not dw? Armadyl Drops : 4 Hilts; 3 Chestplates; 2 Chainskirts; 1 Helmet; 1 Buckler; 2 Shard 1; 2 Shard 2; 1 Shard 3Nex : 1 Zaryte BowKalphite King : 1 Drygore Rapier ; 1 Drygore Longsword : 1 Drygore Offhand Rapier : 1 Drygore Offhand Longsword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenw Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 No confirmation I am aware off, I am not even sure if T85 magic weapon would make an appearance. But if it did, I hold my expectation at staff, since its the worse of the two 6,924th to 30 hunting, 13,394th to 30 summoning, 52,993rd to 30 DivinationKiln Record (Post-EoC): W 25 - L 0, 14 Uncut Onyx, 8 Jad hits received (Best record: Two in the same kiln)Obby set renewed post update #2: 0QBD drops: 21 crossbow parts, 3 Visages, 1 Kites, 2 KitsMax Port Score [2205] Achieved: 27th April 2013 (World 2nd) Farmyard Rampage ranking: 12th, 50,000 Kills. Dragon Pickaxe Drops: 1 (Times after I first entered Battlefield: 2h) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Can you explain how t80 virtus wand + book would be better than a t85 staff? Is it concentrated blast, or the ability to shield?Yep, concentrated blast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Seems like the better solution would be to nerf that ability, then. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Or otherwise balance the abilities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiel Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I'm fairly sure that concentrated blast is only worth like 3 tiers of damage, let alone accuracy. 1 DK drops (solo/LS): 66 hatchets, 14 archer rings, 13 berserker rings, 17 warrior rings, 12 seerculls, 13 mud staves, 7 seers ringsQBD drops: 1 kite, 2 visages, 4 dragonbone kits, 3 effigies, lots of crossbow partsCR vs. CLS threads always turn into discussions about penis size....It's not called a Compensation Longsword for nothing.I've sent a 12k combat mission to have Aiel assassinated (poor bastard isn't even Pincers-tier difficulty). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I really hope it is T85 2h weapons.I'm torn On one hand, I'd like to have a useful level 85 weapon. On the other hand, I don't want useful equipment to be so easily obtainable. Chaotics are very useful, and they do take a fair amount of time to get. Yes, once you are 95+ you can get a chaotic an hour, or even less, but going from 1 to 80 for your initial 2m xp is HORRIBLY painful. I was getting at that a level 85 staff would be completely useless because a virtus wand and book would outclass it basically everywhere. The price of virtus would even go down because of illogical people (and you know we have a lot of those) would use the staff, which would make virtus even easier to get. I've been very out of the loop with magic ever since I got my asc bows. Why is dualwield magic so good? My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 It's not, as far as I know, but only five tiers difference, that's borderline worth using dw instead of 2h, with 2h the higher-tiered. Concentrated Blast is a 5s cooldown ability with 200% weapon damage over 4 ticks, or 300% over 6 ticks (I think). That's equivalent to 150% damage, better than Wrack, Sonic Blast, Impact (on stunnable targets) and Chain (if there is one target only). Dragon Breath, Asphyxiate, Wild Magic and Sunshine are all better, not sure about Combust, it's probably around the same. If you assume that a t85 weapon is some 1900 damage (average of t80 and t90), it's a 6% boost over a t80 weapon. Since Concentrated Blast is such a big boost, dw beats 2h at nearby tiers, but I don't know how the lower adrenaline gain (8% per 4 or 6 ticks) works out when using Sunshine/Metamorphosis and such. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wkw Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 That, what Quyneax said, and T80 dual weild magic is superior to T90 dual wield melee and range in a few situations. Runescape player since 2005 Ego Sum Deus Quo Malum Caligo et Barathum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Zophar Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 ^ Which is an indication that they don't need higher tiered magic weapons as much as they need to make Range and Melee abilities more powerful, especially ranged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tansuo Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 It's valued 1m higher | | | A Blog to Bathtubs for BeginnersQuest Cape | 99 Defence Achieved 11-Jul-2011 17:41 | 99 Prayer 11-Jul-2012 | 99 Constitution 02-Aug-201299 Attack 31/10/2012 | 99 Dungeoneering 31/10/2012 | 99 Strength 31/10/2012 | 99 Magic 2/12/201299 Range 16/12/2012 | 99 Herblore 25/12/2012 | 99 Summoning 4/1/2013 | 99 Firemaking 6/3/201399 Farming 10/4/2013 | 99 Slayer 11/7/2013 | 99 Fletching 21/8/2013 | 99 Smithing 22/8/2013 99 Crafting 19/12/2013 | 99 Cooking 15/1/2014 | 99 Agility 25/1/2014 | 99 Thieving 01/02/201499 Construction 21/04/2014 | 99 Woodcutting 04/03/2014 | 99 Fishing 17/04/2014 | 99 Mining 23/07/201599 Divination 27/07/2015 | 99 Runecrafting 20/08/2015 | 99 Hunter 20/08/2015 | Maxed 20/08/2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiel Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 ^ Which is an indication that they don't need higher tiered magic weapons as much as they need to make Range and Melee abilities more powerful, especially ranged.it has nothing to do with abilities (well for range it does, but that's a different thing since jagex flat out ignored that there was a problem...) but with the fact that mage has easy multitarget capability DK drops (solo/LS): 66 hatchets, 14 archer rings, 13 berserker rings, 17 warrior rings, 12 seerculls, 13 mud staves, 7 seers ringsQBD drops: 1 kite, 2 visages, 4 dragonbone kits, 3 effigies, lots of crossbow partsCR vs. CLS threads always turn into discussions about penis size....It's not called a Compensation Longsword for nothing.I've sent a 12k combat mission to have Aiel assassinated (poor bastard isn't even Pincers-tier difficulty). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troacctid Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Just instasold seasinger top at 4821k. Little under the guide price today. Read my blog | Follow me on Twitter | Track my XP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Th e Doctor Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 SS top sold for 5.7 for me today as well at Tetsu top at 6.75 Armadyl Drops : 4 Hilts; 3 Chestplates; 2 Chainskirts; 1 Helmet; 1 Buckler; 2 Shard 1; 2 Shard 2; 1 Shard 3Nex : 1 Zaryte BowKalphite King : 1 Drygore Rapier ; 1 Drygore Longsword : 1 Drygore Offhand Rapier : 1 Drygore Offhand Longsword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai_tong Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I'm quite disappointed with the expansion. Nothing new to it really. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lioness Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I think this thread can finally rest, as we will now use the other thread =D 3 Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?~ Marianne Williamson For account help/issues, please follow this link: Account Help. If you need further assistance, do not hesitate to PM me or post here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aneron Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Does anyone know what it means if I got the Occultist and Whaler in the port, but don't have access to their triple voyage? (I have already done the first of the 3 triples for them) I also have the unlock missions for 2 of the new adventurers; could those be crowding the triple voyage out? I just don't really want to unlock them to stop them from crowding out the adventurers I need to finish my triples. :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wkw Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 On re-roll, I got the tripple missionary/convict/boatinst AND the chef mission, so you can indeed have four of them in your port at once Runescape player since 2005 Ego Sum Deus Quo Malum Caligo et Barathum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum_Myr Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Well triples only need 2/3 to show up. And actually I believe that the "meet the x" missions don't count towards the limit of 2 adventurers per day. We'll need to see more information about this.. Maxed since Sunday, January 9th, 2014Completionist since Wednesday, June 4th, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaida23 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I think this thread can finally rest, as we will now use the other thread =D Agreed. This had a good long run and now it's time for it to retire. Please use this thread to continue the PoP discussion. 1 Check out my blog to read the Adventures of a Big Damn (F2P) Hero. THE place for all free players to connect, hang out and talk about how awesome it is to be F2P. So, Kaida is the real version of every fictional science-badass? That explains a lot, actually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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