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It was an enjoyable quest though there were quite a few things unaccounted for, some are questions, whereas some are plot holes:

 

 

 

- We still don't know how Sliske got the Staff of Armadyl.

- We don't know how Sliske got the Stone of Jas, if he has it.

- How did Sliske manage to capture a Dragonkin? The Dragonkin had no problem dispensing of Lucien, Sliske is by no means substantially more powerful than Lucien was. Lucian had both the Staff and the Stone, whereas, Sliske, presumably, before he confronted the Dragonkin had neither of those things.

 

-Is Sliske really trying to start a World Event on the notion that the winner who kills the most other Gods gets the Stone? What kind of smart strategy is that? Only a complete idiot would believe Sliske, especially since he went to such great lengths to acquire his power. Does anyone actually think he will  just hand it over? Of course not! Also, everyone knows that Sliske is a pathological liar, so there's no point in believing him. This is a major plot-hole that needs to be refined. There needs to be more incentive for the other gods to join this World Event (only Bandos has a motive, and him only because he loves war).

 

- Is Zamorak actually deserting the Mahjarrat? After thousands of years of them having served him? Totally baffling. Not only are they of his race (prior to his godhood; and goods tend to favor their own races), but they are extremely powerful. Perhaps his most powerful followers, why would he consider deserting them? All over the fact that they didn't join BoL? Vampyres also didn't join that battle, I don't see Zamorak threatening to disown them, either. For a long time the story of the Mahjarrat was this rift between the Zarosians and Zamorakians, and it seemed like Kharshai was desperately trying to fix this; now it looks like they are rushing this plot.

 

- Why didn't the other Gods just attack Sliske? He's obviously a threat to them (if his ascension is to be believed). They could certainly easily kill him combined, without question. They banished Zammy for usurping Zaros, but they won't punish Sliske? Seems odd. Remember, that Sliske's slaying of Guthix was basically a fluke (it just happened that Guthix wanted  to die, if he hadn't, he would have easily fended off against him): Zamorak was the most powerful Mahjarrat of his time, and when confronting Zaros with the Staff + Stone, he still couldn't get the job done and won by fluke; so it stands to reason that Sliske who is probably weaker in his mortal Mahjarrat form than Zammy was, wouldn't be able to defeat an opponent like Guthix who was stronger than the opponent that Zammy faced and almost lost to. It seems simple that the other Gods could easily overpower Sliske in a combined effort, just as it was hinted that even Zaros didn't have enough power to fend a united effort from them all.

 

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[hide]If you talked to Sliske at the end, he tells you how he got the objects. Whether he tells the truth or lies, is a whole other story. But he claims to have tricked the Dragonkin guarding the Staff into the Shadow Realm, and located the Stone by experimenting with the Staff. I still think he just made a bargain with the Dragonkin to get the Staff and never had the Stone. :)[/hide]

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[hide]If you talked to Sliske at the end, he tells you how he got the objects. Whether he tells the truth or lies, is a whole other story. But he claims to have tricked the Dragonkin guarding the Staff into the Shadow Realm, and located the Stone by experimenting with the Staff. I still think he just made a bargain with the Dragonkin to get the Staff and never had the Stone. :)[/hide]

 

Ah, thanks, I seemed to have missed that. Can I revisit this dialogue?

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Simply loved the quest. Done really well. I revisited the citadel in HTML5 and it looked so much better. If only html5 was stable enough to run without bugging out so much, but that's a rant for a different place.

I want the people behind this quest on more lore quests. Add in some more puzzles and tougher fights and I might finally get a quest I enjoy more than WGS. :P

 

Highly recommend playing through this quest. It was great.

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- Why didn't the other Gods just attack Sliske? He's obviously a threat to them (if his ascension is to be believed). They could certainly easily kill him combined, without question.

 

[hide]At the moment I think they view him as a child who is trying to play with the adults and even if he does gain anything, anyone of them can dispatch him easily enough, but atm the possibility of getting the Stone of Jas is probably making them drool.[/hide]

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Also, if they attacked Sliske at his base and defeated him there, who would take control of the Stone? I guess most of the gods would only attack another with a large army/super forces ready, just to secure themselves. The risk to get backstabbed was too high to do it right now.

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I must say that this is really the first time I've taken a large plot line in a quest seriously and I am glad I did.  Looking forward to everything it is setting up.

 

On the performance side, I must say there were seemingly many bugs.  Did anyone else have a problem clicking certain action items (doors/ledges/etc)?  I thought it was hit or miss sometimes.

 

Also, releasing you know who took me forever. I could not figure out the path haha.

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It was an enjoyable quest though there were lots of things unaccounted for, some are questions, whereas some are plot holes:

 

 

 

-Is Sliske really trying to start a World Event on the notion that the winner who kills the most other Gods gets the Stone? What kind of smart strategy is that? Only a complete idiot would believe Sliske, especially since he went to such great lengths to acquire his power. Does anyone actually think he will  just hand it over? Of course not! Also, everyone knows that Sliske is a pathological liar, so there's no point in believing him. This is a major plot-hole that needs to be refined. There needs to be more incentive for the other gods to join this World Event (only Bandos has a motive, and him only because he loves war).

 

- Why didn't the other Gods just attack Sliske? He's obviously a threat to them (if his ascension is to be believed). They could certainly easily kill him combined, without question. They banished Zammy for usurping Zaros, but they won't punish Sliske? Seems odd. Remember, that Sliske's slaying of Guthix was basically a fluke (it just happened that Guthix wanted  to die, if he hadn't, he would have easily fended off against him): Zamorak was the most powerful Mahjarrat of his time, and when confronting Zaros with the Staff + Stone, he still couldn't get the job done and won by fluke; so it stands to reason that Sliske who is probably weaker in his mortal Mahjarrat form than Zammy was, wouldn't be able to defeat an opponent like Guthix who was stronger than the opponent that Zammy faced and almost lost to. It seems simple that the other Gods could easily overpower Sliske in a combined effort, just as it was hinted that even Zaros didn't have enough power to fend a united effort from them all.

 

 

 

For the first one:

 

1. The gods cannot trust each other, so they cannot band up and say that no one will participate

2. The risk assumed by not believing Sliske is too great. If he isn't lying, then whoever didn't believe him would lose a lot of power by comparison

3. The reward if he isn't lying is too great to ignore. It means complete domination of the universe.

4. If he is lying, the surviving gods will have fewer gods (perhaps no gods) left to compete with, and can still find the stone regardless

 

Obviously the best solution for everyone is if none of the gods kill each other, but that requires a massive amount of trust between them, so it simply will never happen. The motive for participating is that it's too dangerous not to.

 

For the second one:

 

1. The gods cannot trust each other, so there's no guaranteeing that everyone will participate in the fight. They could just convince one god to attack Sliske under the premise that the rest would join in, and then that foolish god would be killed. They won't subject themselves to that possibility.

2. Fighting Sliske 1 on 1 opens yourself up to being attacked by another god. For example, Saradomin attacks Sliske, then Zamorak attacks Saradomin because Saradomin is Zamorak's biggest rival.

3. Only Saradomin could beat Sliske 1 on 1, but Saradomin is everyone's biggest rival, so he could be immediately killed.

4. Bandos likely wouldn't be pjed by another god, but he's smart enough to know that he would probably be killed by Sliske (2 artefacts + incredibly smart + dragonkin > big fists)

5. If they did kill Sliske, the Stone of Jas and Staff of Armadyl would presumably be lost forever. The other gods would have to search the shadow realm for them, and they'd probably kill each other there anyway.

 

Basically, it'd be stupid to take on Sliske 1 on 1, but the gods can't trust each other enough to band together. Even if they did, it wouldn't get them anywhere.

 

 

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Also, if they attacked Sliske at his base and defeated him there, who would take control of the Stone? I guess most of the gods would only attack another with a large army/super forces ready, just to secure themselves. The risk to get backstabbed was too high to do it right now.

 

If they attacked him then and there none of them could take possession of the stone. Except maybe Saradomin with his crown, none of them know where the stone is. Sliske didn't have it with him. 

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Also, if they attacked Sliske at his base and defeated him there, who would take control of the Stone? I guess most of the gods would only attack another with a large army/super forces ready, just to secure themselves. The risk to get backstabbed was too high to do it right now.

 

If they attacked him then and there none of them could take possession of the stone. Except maybe Saradomin with his crown, none of them know where the stone is. Sliske didn't have it with him. 

 

Saradomin can only tell what plane artefacts are on, and there are only two possibilities: the shadow realm and Gielinor. It probably isn't on Gielinor.

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Does anyone else think this is a set-up for a much greater plan. Sliske is basically a master of the shadows and his plan apparently ends on a solar eclipse when the whole world would be cast into shadow. Will this boost his powers? He mentions giving the stone to whichever person has killed the most Gods at that point...could his plan be to use the eclipse to boost his powers and have himself be the person that has killed the most other Gods?

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Also, if they attacked Sliske at his base and defeated him there, who would take control of the Stone? I guess most of the gods would only attack another with a large army/super forces ready, just to secure themselves. The risk to get backstabbed was too high to do it right now.

 

If they attacked him then and there none of them could take possession of the stone. Except maybe Saradomin with his crown, none of them know where the stone is. Sliske didn't have it with him. 

 

Saradomin can only tell what plane artefacts are on, and there are only two possibilities: the shadow realm and Gielinor. It probably isn't on Gielinor.

 

 

Fair enough, I was never quite clear on how accurate the crown archival was.

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If his plan is to keep the Stone of Jas, he doesn't have to win the contest. That said, it would be funny if he won the contest.

 

Yea, but he could be trying to divide and conquer even more than usual. Prevent any sort of alliances like Sara-Arma before by planting suspicion in their minds.

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If his plan is to keep the Stone of Jas, he doesn't have to win the contest. That said, it would be funny if he won the contest.

 

Yea, but he could be trying to divide and conquer even more than usual. Prevent any sort of alliances like Sara-Arma before by planting suspicion in their minds.

 

I can promise you that there won't be any alliances :p

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If his plan is to keep the Stone of Jas, he doesn't have to win the contest. That said, it would be funny if he won the contest.

 

Yea, but he could be trying to divide and conquer even more than usual. Prevent any sort of alliances like Sara-Arma before by planting suspicion in their minds.

 

I can promise you that there won't be any alliances :P

 

 

=) Yea, I just think there's more to this eclipse than Sliske is letting on.

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A bit off topic but I think an idea for a minigame that would be kinda cool/interesting would be one where Icthlairn asks you to help ferry people to the underworld because he was hurt in this quest and needs time to recover. It would be like the temple trekking minigame but maybe every now and then you meet someone from the eastern lands and learn some lore from them or the odd person from other planes who have come to rest in this underworld (since some people here are from different planes why can't some of the people on other plans be from this plane? )

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A bit off topic but I think an idea for a minigame that would be kinda cool/interesting would be one where Icthlairn asks you to help ferry people to the underworld because he was hurt in this quest and needs time to recover. It would be like the temple trekking minigame but maybe every now and then you meet someone from the eastern lands and learn some lore from them or the odd person from other planes who have come to rest in this underworld (since some people here are from different planes why can't some of the people on other plans be from this plane? )

That's a really good idea

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So the barrows amulet has 30 uses (3 per run) it doesn't seem that you can recharge it in anyway so i guess i'll just power through barrows with it.

it's likely that the upcoming barrows rework (as suggested is happening by the death statue) will allow you to earn more charges

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He probably just wants a little fun.

 

"With respect Master Wayne, perhaps this is a man you don't fully understand, either.  A long time ago, I was in Burma, my friends and I were working for the local government.  They were trying to buy the loyalty of tribal leaders by buying them with precious stones, but their caravans were being raided in a forest north of Rangoon by a bandit.  So we went looking for the stones, but in six months, we never met anyone who traded with him.  One day, I saw a child playing with a ruby the size of a tangerine.  The bandit had been throwing them away."

 

"So why steal 'em?"

 

"Well, because he thought it was good sport.  Because, some men aren't looking for anything logical like money; they can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with.  Some men, just want to watch the world burn."

 

 

--- I originally intended on just typing the last bit, but I got started and didn't want to stop.  God bless Alfred, and Michael Caine for playing him.

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