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10/29/13 - RuneScape Close To Eradicating Gold Farming


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I guess it's a bit of a dilemma, but if I were running the RWT sites, I would lower the prices. I'm not sure why they've remained the same, though.



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Nice statistic jagex.

 

Next I would like to hear how they plan to remove people that sell gold at a higher price than those they buy it from. You know... The actual problem with 'non' rule abiding rwt?

 

I like how I am a Muppet for paying rl money for membership through jagex when I can technically get it cheaper through a third party.

 

The only good thing I see with this whole bond thing is jagex beginning to make non official rwt more risky. (Atleast /some risk/ right?) They got their version. They tapped into that money source. Now they need to start ban hammering the non official methods for rwt. Make people fear rwt through anyone besides jagex official methods.

 

Thats the only point I see in any of this... It doesnt dent non official rwt in the slightest... Thats just common sense it cannot work. People buy.. and sell.. This cannot ever stop that regardless of the price of bonds. Focusing on farmers is just tunnel vision at best. Their PR is treating us like idiots.


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I'm not so sure.

By lowering prices they'd appeal to more people but there's no guaranteed sale. They can raise their prices to anything < Bond cost and they'll still be favored by people who've RWTed using third-parties in the past. I think as it sits, Jagex is $0.83/M. Sites I know of are as low as $0.32/M (some slightly lower). They don't need to lower their prices more to be more appealing; they're already less then half the cost. So at this point, raising gold prices would be beneficial for them, since if I were to RWT and be stuck between a Bond and third-party, it's already an easy choice.

Bonds seem to be hovering around 7m (so you are getting roughly 1.4m/dollar), so assuming my math is right that's .73 cents per mil. But, you're still correct in that it's less than half the cost :s

 

Now, before you read my suggestions, I am aware that I am advocating RWT. My logic is that half-assed RWT accomplishes nothing-- if they are going to bother, they need to go all-in.

 

For Bonds to truly be competitive, they need to increase the benefits that you get from them so that it increases the demand. For example, many micro-based games sell items in their "game stores" that provide temporary convenience-based effects. Create NPCs that will trade you items that give a large amount (at least a few hundred thousand) bonus exp in exchange for Bonds. Another thing that could be traded for Bonds is temporary buffs; some of these might include +20 mining or fishing for an hour, or a buff that protects all of your items upon death for an hour (if you have high div, the time on this buff would be greatly extended).

 

Also, increase the amount of spins/runecoins you receive from bonds to 10 and 200, respectively, so that they are equivalent to the $4.99 package on the website.

 

Obviously, these are just basic ideas-- you get the point though. Increasing the demand of the bonds is the best way to make them more competitive to farmers.


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I trust Jagex's number but only insofar as it's telling a very selective truth. I think to understand the statistic we need to focus on the phrase "wealth injected by illegal gold farmers". To me this means the value of items brought into the game through bots and not a total sum of all RWT activity. A good chunk of RWT (I would assume the majority) is done by resellers acting as middle men and, if my interpretation of the quote is correct, aren't included in the figure.

 

So essentially Jagex is saying "we've cut down on one small select part of RWTers operations by 81%".

 

Naturally other parts of RWTers business will be affected but I doubt those numbers would paint a picture of such drastic success.



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I'm not so sure.

By lowering prices they'd appeal to more people but there's no guaranteed sale. They can raise their prices to anything < Bond cost and they'll still be favored by people who've RWTed using third-parties in the past. I think as it sits, Jagex is $0.83/M. Sites I know of are as low as $0.32/M (some slightly lower). They don't need to lower their prices more to be more appealing; they're already less then half the cost. So at this point, raising gold prices would be beneficial for them, since if I were to RWT and be stuck between a Bond and third-party, it's already an easy choice.

Bonds seem to be hovering around 7m (so you are getting roughly 1.4m/dollar), so assuming my math is right that's .73 cents per mil. But, you're still correct in that it's less than half the cost :s

 

Now, before you read my suggestions, I am aware that I am advocating RWT. My logic is that half-assed RWT accomplishes nothing-- if they are going to bother, they need to go all-in.

 

For Bonds to truly be competitive, they need to increase the benefits that you get from them so that it increases the demand. For example, many micro-based games sell items in their "game stores" that provide temporary convenience-based effects. Create NPCs that will trade you items that give a large amount (at least a few hundred thousand) bonus exp in exchange for Bonds. Another thing that could be traded for Bonds is temporary buffs; some of these might include +20 mining or fishing for an hour, or a buff that protects all of your items upon death for an hour (if you have high div, the time on this buff would be greatly extended).

 

Also, increase the amount of spins/runecoins you receive from bonds to 10 and 200, respectively, so that they are equivalent to the $4.99 package on the website.

 

Obviously, these are just basic ideas-- you get the point though. Increasing the demand of the bonds is the best way to make them more competitive to farmers.

 

 

I'd rather keep the gold farming then, tbh. I understand where you're coming from there, but right now what we've got is a legit way to do what was already being done, a bit more of an equalizer than anything else. Adding those bonuses would be going even further and selling stuff that was never really an issue with gold farming. I don't mind Jagex fighting gold farming as long as what they're doing benefits me a bit and isn't sticking out as much like those bonuses would be. Selling a few aspects...fine I'll cope....but don't sell everything and make everything nearly worthless.

 

If Jagex thinks they've gotten rid of 81% of goldfarming, cool. I haven't seen too many spam bots recently, not getting too many pm's, bots are mostly eliminated or kept down in numbers at training areas. Whatever goldfarming is left doesn't affect me anymore, so I'd rather leave it be than burn down the game to eradicate it all. No Pyrrhic victories please =)


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I'm not so sure.

By lowering prices they'd appeal to more people but there's no guaranteed sale. They can raise their prices to anything < Bond cost and they'll still be favored by people who've RWTed using third-parties in the past. I think as it sits, Jagex is $0.83/M. Sites I know of are as low as $0.32/M (some slightly lower). They don't need to lower their prices more to be more appealing; they're already less then half the cost. So at this point, raising gold prices would be beneficial for them, since if I were to RWT and be stuck between a Bond and third-party, it's already an easy choice.

Bonds seem to be hovering around 7m (so you are getting roughly 1.4m/dollar), so assuming my math is right that's .73 cents per mil. But, you're still correct in that it's less than half the cost :s

 

Now, before you read my suggestions, I am aware that I am advocating RWT. My logic is that half-assed RWT accomplishes nothing-- if they are going to bother, they need to go all-in.

 

For Bonds to truly be competitive, they need to increase the benefits that you get from them so that it increases the demand. For example, many micro-based games sell items in their "game stores" that provide temporary convenience-based effects. Create NPCs that will trade you items that give a large amount (at least a few hundred thousand) bonus exp in exchange for Bonds. Another thing that could be traded for Bonds is temporary buffs; some of these might include +20 mining or fishing for an hour, or a buff that protects all of your items upon death for an hour (if you have high div, the time on this buff would be greatly extended).

 

Also, increase the amount of spins/runecoins you receive from bonds to 10 and 200, respectively, so that they are equivalent to the $4.99 package on the website.

 

Obviously, these are just basic ideas-- you get the point though. Increasing the demand of the bonds is the best way to make them more competitive to farmers.

 

 

I'd rather keep the gold farming then, tbh. I understand where you're coming from there, but right now what we've got is a legit way to do what was already being done, a bit more of an equalizer than anything else. Adding those bonuses would be going even further and selling stuff that was never really an issue with gold farming. I don't mind Jagex fighting gold farming as long as what they're doing benefits me a bit and isn't sticking out as much like those bonuses would be. Selling a few aspects...fine I'll cope....but don't sell everything and make everything nearly worthless.

 

If Jagex thinks they've gotten rid of 81% of goldfarming, cool. I haven't seen too many spam bots recently, not getting too many pm's, bots are mostly eliminated or kept down in numbers at training areas. Whatever goldfarming is left doesn't affect me anymore, so I'd rather leave it be than burn down the game to eradicate it all. No Pyrrhic victories please =)

 

The thing is, how would those bonuses affect you? All they would do is offer an optional convenience-- the ability to temporarily mine rocks more efficiently or receive extra bonus xp. And they could put all of it on the Wheel too, so that players would have a chance to win it.

 

With you being able to do these things with Bonds, it would make the demand and thus the GP price of Bonds go way up. Thus, instead of being worth 7m each they might rise to 12-15m each. At 15m each, it would be 3m per dollar, or .33 cents per mil. That is very comparable to what gold farmers sell theirs for.


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@Everto Malum: No, that's not going to work and is going to create an unfairness that needs not to be expanded any further...

 

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I wish I could tell you more right now, but I would be spilling the content of my Tip.it Times article, which is due to be published this weekend... It is a follow up on my last piece on Bonds (see my signature), and should be a proper eye-opener to everyone who's hands are still clean...

 

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I can see how bonds can help discourage gold farming, but not in its current form.

 

off topic: I like how they are never tired of emphasising the game as a 'free-to-play MMORPG'. It is true to some extent, but nonetheless it's intriguing to me.


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TBH, what was the big problem with RWT in the first place? The fact that it went into someone else's wallet?

People can, and have always, bought their way to the top. Jagex now endorses it, so long as it's done through them. But why?

What was sooo broken about the economy that Jagex had to poke their nose in and officially support RWT? What has been fixed in the economy since Bonds' release?

I've known dozens and dozens of players who have RWTed using a third-party. Some buying only a few M, others buying and selling a few B. When it came to a company, none of them were scammed. None of them lost their credit information. They are a company, a business, and they have a reputation to uphold. After-all, a reputation is the main attraction for a RWT company.

So, what's changed since Bonds were released except for the pocket the money goes into?

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i'd note that boosts do in fact affect other players through the game economy, so it would in fact create a different kind of game that would not be favorable to people who didn't pay as much as their cash store peers


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Steve is right. But that is the point. The money now goes in Jagex pocket when done through bonds.

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TBH, what was the big problem with RWT in the first place? The fact that it went into someone else's wallet?

People can, and have always, bought their way to the top. Jagex now endorses it, so long as it's done through them. But why?

What was sooo broken about the economy that Jagex had to poke their nose in and officially support RWT? What has been fixed in the economy since Bonds' release?

I've known dozens and dozens of players who have RWTed using a third-party. Some buying only a few M, others buying and selling a few B. When it came to a company, none of them were scammed. None of them lost their credit information. They are a company, a business, and they have a reputation to uphold. After-all, a reputation is the main attraction for a RWT company.

So, what's changed since Bonds were released except for the pocket the money goes into?

 

A reputation to uphold?

What kind of reputation, criminal?

There business is fraudulent at the core.

The real world equivalent is me running around selling property rights to Yosemite national park.


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TBH, what was the big problem with RWT in the first place? The fact that it went into someone else's wallet?

People can, and have always, bought their way to the top. Jagex now endorses it, so long as it's done through them. But why?

What was sooo broken about the economy that Jagex had to poke their nose in and officially support RWT? What has been fixed in the economy since Bonds' release?

I've known dozens and dozens of players who have RWTed using a third-party. Some buying only a few M, others buying and selling a few B. When it came to a company, none of them were scammed. None of them lost their credit information. They are a company, a business, and they have a reputation to uphold. After-all, a reputation is the main attraction for a RWT company.

So, what's changed since Bonds were released except for the pocket the money goes into?


If it were your company you would want the profits going into your pocket and not someone else's also. :P

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TBH, what was the big problem with RWT in the first place? The fact that it went into someone else's wallet?

People can, and have always, bought their way to the top. Jagex now endorses it, so long as it's done through them. But why?

What was sooo broken about the economy that Jagex had to poke their nose in and officially support RWT? What has been fixed in the economy since Bonds' release?

I've known dozens and dozens of players who have RWTed using a third-party. Some buying only a few M, others buying and selling a few B. When it came to a company, none of them were scammed. None of them lost their credit information. They are a company, a business, and they have a reputation to uphold. After-all, a reputation is the main attraction for a RWT company.

So, what's changed since Bonds were released except for the pocket the money goes into?

 

A reputation to uphold?

What kind of reputation, criminal?

There business is fraudulent at the core.

The real world equivalent is me running around selling property rights to Yosemite national park.

 

Are you really this dense?

 

People worry about being scammed or having their CC information stolen, but the REAL rwt companies don't do this. Why? Reputation. Even though what they do is against the RS rules, they are still a legitimate real life business. If they scammed/committed fraud then word would get around not to use them and their business would go belly up. That's reputation.

 

And "being fraudulent at the core" depends how you look at it. Yes, Jagex technically owns every piece of GP in the game. In that sense, yes what they do defrauds Jagex because they do not own the rights to the game to profit from the game. But as of right now, there are no real life e-commerce laws prohibiting such things. It's against the ToS, yes, as far as they are concerned they are a completely legitimate business.

 

And before anyone accuses me of being an illegal gold buyer, I am not. I've actually bought several bonds, instead. Because I prefer to do things on the up-and-up.


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And "being fraudulent at the core" depends how you look at it. Yes, Jagex technically owns every piece of GP in the game. In that sense, yes what they do defrauds Jagex because they do not own the rights to the game to profit from the game. But as of right now, there are no real life e-commerce laws prohibiting such things. It's against the ToS, yes, as far as they are concerned they are a completely legitimate business.

 

And before anyone accuses me of being an illegal gold buyer, I am not. I've actually bought several bonds, instead. Because I prefer to do things on the up-and-up.

 

So it is fraud, but it's not fraud as the law doesn't say so, but then they are legit after all.  Then they're not again as you like to buy bonds because it's cosher, so it's not so good after all.  Hmmmm that makes a lot of sense. :huh:



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And before anyone accuses me of being an illegal gold buyer, I am not. I've actually bought several bonds, instead. Because I prefer to do things on the up-and-up.

 

buying gold from 3rd parties and buying gold from jagex is equally immoral.


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And before anyone accuses me of being an illegal gold buyer, I am not. I've actually bought several bonds, instead. Because I prefer to do things on the up-and-up.

 

buying gold from 3rd parties and buying gold from jagex is equally immoral.

 

 

While I appreciate that you have a strong stance on this... This isn't really the way the game industry (or players!) are going.

 

At least Jagex isn't directly generating gold, but requires that someone actually buys the bond, so this way it doesn't hyper inflate the economy worse than anything a gold (re)seller ever could.


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And before anyone accuses me of being an illegal gold buyer, I am not. I've actually bought several bonds, instead. Because I prefer to do things on the up-and-up.

 

buying gold from 3rd parties and buying gold from jagex is equally immoral.

 

 

While I appreciate that you have a strong stance on this... This isn't really the way the game industry (or players!) are going.

 

At least Jagex isn't directly generating gold, but requires that someone actually buys the bond, so this way it doesn't hyper inflate the economy worse than anything a gold (re)seller ever could.

 

This.

 

You are buying another player's gold-- it is not introducing new gold into the economy. And it's "legal" according to Jagex's rules. Sure, it undermines the "spirit" of the game, but eh. Every game does it, these days.


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Technically bots don't introduce new gold into the game. They also introduce items which are later sold for gold. :P.

Buuut, that's a different conversation all-together.

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