Behind the Scenes - November 2013

[Miss Lioness]

Tbh, I prefer the pets then the armours, unless the shields are non-degrading or non-dusting armours...

[Saradomin_Mage]

I thought they mentioned that it was possible to get the pets straight up instead of making them from the component parts.

 

Still probably going to be as rare as Vitalis though :/

 

E: Never mind, checked, only way to obtain them is to use 500 energy per pet. Wat.

[Tim]

Yes the bobbles (pets) require 500 energy and a barrows set to create. The 500 energy should be worth 500-600mil.... GL getting the little guys.

 

I hope thats a joke, because if it isn't that's just downright disgusting.

[Yoko Kurama]

 

Yes the bobbles (pets) require 500 energy and a barrows set to create. The 500 energy should be worth 500-600mil.... GL getting the little guys.

 

I hope thats a joke, because if it isn't that's just downright disgusting.

 

 

Not a joke. It's been confirmed. It was originally supposed to be 50 energies per pet, and I thought that was pretty bad. Then they made it 500 per pet...

[Ambler]

It was 500 per pet at Runefest, and it will most likely cost something like 2b per pet, and there will be demand for energy for armour, and also energy for pets...

:wall:

 

On the plus side, I can see this thing finishable pretty quickly if the team has the method working, so the 500 energy might not be so unreasonable, as it should only take 4-5 minutes per run, with 1 failed attempt per hour, that'll be about 80 energy per hour per team... Not too bad, considering Vorago is 30/hour on average for a 5 man team.

[Saradomin_Mage]

It was 500 per pet at Runefest, and it will most likely cost something like 2b per pet, and there will be demand for energy for armour, and also energy for pets...

:wall:

 

On the plus side, I can see this thing finishable pretty quickly if the team has the method working, so the 500 energy might not be so unreasonable, as it should only take 4-5 minutes per run, with 1 failed attempt per hour, that'll be about 80 energy per hour per team... Not too bad, considering Vorago is 30/hour on average for a 5 man team.

Torag the Bobbled, or 6 sets of Malevolent? :P

 

The Vitalis pet wasn't as unreasonable, since it appeared alongside the Wand/Orb/Energy as a side drop. Taking the main drop from this activity and turning insane quantities of it into a similar pet is so much different from Vorago.

[SwreeTak]

It was 500 per pet at Runefest, and it will most likely cost something like 2b per pet, and there will be demand for energy for armour, and also energy for pets...

:wall:

 

On the plus side, I can see this thing finishable pretty quickly if the team has the method working, so the 500 energy might not be so unreasonable, as it should only take 4-5 minutes per run, with 1 failed attempt per hour, that'll be about 80 energy per hour per team... Not too bad, considering Vorago is 30/hour on average for a 5 man team.

 

The energies will still be crazy expensive though. And it will take quite some time before people master this new piece of content, like it always does with every new boss released.

[Ambler]

I think the people who played it at runefest will have a massive advantage on launch, and there was also the livestream that showed off a lot of the mechanics, where we had nothing at all for Vorago.

I think there's a fair number of people who have set up teams already, me included. :lol:

 

As for mastering it, it shouldn't take too long, unless Akrisae is thrown in last second and kills everyone. :lol:

[Sy_Accursed]

I think the people who played it at runefest will have a massive advantage on launch, and there was also the livestream that showed off a lot of the mechanics, where we had nothing at all for Vorago.

I think there's a fair number of people who have set up teams already, me included. :lol:

 

As for mastering it, it shouldn't take too long, unless Akrisae is thrown in last second and kills everyone. :lol:

 

Mastering it could be quite interesting as (assuming Akrisae isn't thrown in) there still is 20 combinations of brothers to master in terms of how they stack up together (technically 40 if you count unique per side, but the later 20 match the top 20 just with inverted sides).

 

Akrisae would certainly make it insane though it offers 34 unique side A variants each of which can then have 3 different side Bs (assuming 3 bros a side holds true) for a total of 102 variations (They'll be a few inverse side duplicates in that, not worked out how many yet). Would maybe good if they ever decided to strap a hard mode on to it when we have higher gear out.

[Ambler]

Well, it's possible for both the players and brothers to change sides mid fight, which I think might be the best method for this. Having 4 people ganging up on each brother one after another would most likely work best, you can solo Nex's blood phase (45k damage) in about 20 seconds, so having 4 players killing each brother with 50k health within 30 seconds of each other? It should be pretty easy*...

*Special attacks that wipe out half your team not included

[Sy_Accursed]

Dam side swapping mid fight would make it far more combos to deal with; thought I suppose in many ways it also simplifies things as it is simply one combo to prepare for: all 6 at once. (7 if Akrisae rocked up)

 

On the if akrisae thing I worked out without duplicates at 3 a side there is 128 combinations. Made a mistake in my original there is 4 possible combos with each of the 34 (for 136) with 8 duplicates.

[Ambler]

I'm assuming Akrisae doesn't exist, as there's no pet for him, though this is Jagex, and it is a Chris L boss...

 

Also, rewrote the guide/summary thing, still a few tweaks to be added:

[hide=Spoilers etc if for some reason you want to die to this a few times yourself before working it out]

NOTE: AS I HAVEN'T PLAYED THIS THE MINUTE BEFORE RELEASE, IT WON'T ALL BE ACCURATE- I'LL ADD SCREENSHOTS WHEN POSSIBLE.

 

Interestingly, range owned Karil/Ahrim, and also seemed to hit all of the melee brothers well, this may have been a bug with defence values? Idk, this may have been looked into and fixed.

Mage splashed to hell on Ahrim/Karil, while demolishing melee, as expected.

Melee was kind of meh, and not being able to attack Ahrim/Having to stay melee distance means drygorescape might not be viable for once.

 

You need FOUR players to start this, no more, no less, instance is created by a player holding a "Barrows Totem"- A stackable item which is a reward from the barrows minigame (Approx 1/3 chance of receiving from chest ("You should expect one within a few runs")

 

Path to the brothers is randomly generated, though it's just a simple path you follow to get there, just run- route is important for later.

 

The room is divided into 2 sections by a large portal, each side will have 2 players, and both players will have to fight 3 brothers (Who you got was random from what I could see- Though Akrisae vanished and wasn't in this, so I assume he's been scrapped: No Akrisae pet, so I'd assume this is true)

 

General brother strategies:

 

THEY CAN ALL RUN! No more sara gwd style hit and run methods :( Also all stun immune- so no freezing etc.

 

BROTHERS STILL HAVE THEIR EFFECTS.

So Dharok hits higher the lower his health is

Ahrim can lower combat stats (Hello overloads, how are you?)

Karil reduces... Magic? I can't remember

Torag can reduce adrenaline, might hurt if it reduces by a large amount, but not really going to affect you much.

Guthan can heal what he hits

Verac does more damage now with set effect... Autoattacks kind of hit badly, so meh.

 

AHRIM: Will mage like normal, and occasionally fly ("Ahrim takes to the air!"), so I assume this means he can't be meleed. Also has a Turret of DOOM™ (10/10 for naming whoever chose that) ability, where he'll pick a spot and spin, with beams that hit 1.5k-2k per tick if they go through you- roughly 5 square range?. Can surge through, and being on diagonals avoids damage if you're far enough away.

 

KARIL: Pretty much same as Ahrim, though instead of flying he can "take to the shadows" which makes him move VERY quickly, so melee isn't really viable here): Also has a Turret of DOOM™ attack the same as Ahrim's but with purple attacks instead of flame. Final ability is strange one, he can transform into a sort of flaming orb, if you wait 5 or so seconds it will explode, hitting 5k+ damage to any players in range (about 5 squares?) If you click it in time however, it can transport you to the other side of the room, this deals 500 damage the first time, but doubles with each use so use only when necessary. Failing to get to it in time gets you hit the 5k+ damage.

 

Karil/Ahrim can also both stand on a pillar type thing in the middle of the room- This obviously stops them being meleed, so range/mage is your best bet here- both sides can attack them? Idk.

Either Karil or Ahrim also has a purple lightning/bolt attack, basically a 4x4 cloud that flies across the room, hits ~2k every 2 ticks you're inside, can be surged through, though will be avoidable as it only covers half of the room width-wise, so possible to avoid it all just by standing in the right place.

 

DHAROK: Standard melee attacks, a special where he says "Give it all to me!" If you damage him in this time, he'll hit the damage back to you when he has finished charging it if you (or anyone else?) is in range, this managed to 1-hit an invincible Jmod with 30k hp... So yeah.

 

VERAC: Standard melee, also had a meteor-strike type ability you can run away from, that hits about 2k typeless damage, I think other melee brothers have this too.

 

GUTHAN: Has a fun special where he throws his spear at you ("Guthan gets ready to throw his spear!") When it hits you, you get constant 500 hits until you run next to Guthan, he'll pull it out of you, hitting you for 1k, and stopping the bleeds. Also has heal-what-he-hits mechanic, and will just punch if his spear is lodged inside of someone's chest.

 

TORAG: Can basically hammer you into the ground, knocking you over the head with his hammer with a very amusing animation, having someone else lure Torag away sets you free, though if you have a hurricane after you when this is happening, chances are you're dead.

Surge/Escape worked while being hammered worked at RuneFest, but chances are that it won't work. Although Surge/Escape can be used at other times to avoid attacks.

 

ALL MELEE BROTHERS: A tornado attack, basically repeated hurricane ability that follows you around, hits 1.5-2.5k/tick, Surge is your friend here, MULTIPLE BROTHERS CAN USE THIS AT THE SAME TIME- It hurts.

Also a meteor strike ability, that seems to do typeless damage, can be avoided if you're running like mad, as it only has a few squares range from where you jump.

 

ALL BROTHERS(?) (Might just be Verac): <NAME> ties your soul to a specific place, you get some green cross-hairs on the ground (If you've ever used detonate for some odd reason, that sort of marking), if you don't run to there, you get transported to the shadow realm, where you need to lure all of the brothers into some sort of clouds in the ground, once all have been lured you get sent back to the real world, and the battle continues, you cannot do abilities in this time, so adrenaline goes bye-bye if you're too slow.

 

General area stuff: Some strange things on the ground, walking the brothers on these seems to heal them? Didn't really get to try it much, but it's pretty visible where they are, glowing orb things in the ground (Kind of look like divination deposit points?), about 2x2 squares in size, skirting the edge of the room will avoid this.

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[helring]

 

Yes the bobbles (pets) require 500 energy and a barrows set to create. The 500 energy should be worth 500-600mil.... GL getting the little guys.

 

At the very minimum. They could be worth as much as 1.2B each or even max cash, depending on how much each energy is.

 

Jagex is so out of touch that even supposedly the 'fun and cute' thing that they just put is hundreds of mils. I love the part where in the stream the two Mods were all like "you're going to want to get these, they're so fun and cute, and if you and 5 of your friends get together and you all have a different barrows pet, then something cool's going to happen!". Yeah because everyone wants to spend 600M on a Pet.

 

 

Better to have pets as the expensive stuff to show off than armour and weapons.

[Ambler]

I know someone who's saved up every Tectonic Energy drop he's had since he started Vorago, as well as put every Wand/Orb split he's received into Spirit Shards... He literally has nothing to do with all the money, as he's already got a couple of Tectonic/Sirenic/Drygore/Ascension/Seismic sets, and will most likely break his shard stack to get all of the pets, even if it means spending 10b or so overall.

He's way too rich. :lol:

[Miss Lioness]

I know someone who's saved up every Tectonic Energy drop he's had since he started Vorago, as well as put every Wand/Orb split he's received into Spirit Shards... He literally has nothing to do with all the money, as he's already got a couple of Tectonic/Sirenic/Drygore/Ascension/Seismic sets, and will most likely break his shard stack to get all of the pets, even if it means spending 10b or so overall.

He's way too rich. :lol:

 

Ask him if he can miss 1b so I can get this title =C

[Quest_Cape_K]

 

I know someone who's saved up every Tectonic Energy drop he's had since he started Vorago, as well as put every Wand/Orb split he's received into Spirit Shards... He literally has nothing to do with all the money, as he's already got a couple of Tectonic/Sirenic/Drygore/Ascension/Seismic sets, and will most likely break his shard stack to get all of the pets, even if it means spending 10b or so overall.

He's way too rich. :lol:

 

Ask him if he can miss 1b so I can get this title =C

 

I asked, he said earn it.

[Alg]

Better to have pets as the expensive stuff to show off than armour and weapons.

I agree completely, but making them with the same resource as the armor is a bit of an odd choice, to say the least.

[strilmus]

i don't think it'll be a massive advantage besides the fact that the runefest accounts didn't need to run back to their graves 20 times, thereby facilitating many, many pointless deaths

[Ambler]

It took a few tries for me to get used to the mechanics/seeing what each brother could do, and also knowing when to runJmod tele away from attacks.

Protip, never use rapid fire when ranging. :lol:

[helring]

 

Better to have pets as the expensive stuff to show off than armour and weapons.

I agree completely, but making them with the same resource as the armor is a bit of an odd choice, to say the least.

 

 

Ok, yea, you got me there

[Wkw]

Protip, never use rapid fire when ranging. :lol:

We knew that since the ascension dungeon came out :p

[Yoko Kurama]

 

Better to have pets as the expensive stuff to show off than armour and weapons.

I agree completely, but making them with the same resource as the armor is a bit of an odd choice, to say the least.

I think the reason is fairly obvious. They weren't content with the the degrade-to-dust melee armour probably being a few hundred mil; so they went out of their to decrease the supply of the resources that make the armour (malovent energy) so that the armour could be several hundred million for as long as possible. All the super-wealthy people will go out of their way to gather this new status symbol (the pets, that's what they are -- they're not just as a nice 'fun and cool' thing, they're a status symbol), and probably get their hands on all the energies they need for this. 

 

It's not a real update unless everything costs hundreds of millions of GP or billions. I guess they can rest assured that all the things from this update, the shields, the pets, and the armour will probably hit that mark. Mission accomplished, for Jagex.

 

 

 

 

 

I know someone who's saved up every Tectonic Energy drop he's had since he started Vorago, as well as put every Wand/Orb split he's received into Spirit Shards... He literally has nothing to do with all the money, as he's already got a couple of Tectonic/Sirenic/Drygore/Ascension/Seismic sets, and will most likely break his shard stack to get all of the pets, even if it means spending 10b or so overall.

He's way too rich. :lol:

 

Ask him if he can miss 1b so I can get this title =C

 

I asked, he said earn it.

 

Become a gambler like me and/or be ridiculously lucky.

 

Fixed.

[Quest_Cape_K]

 

 

 

I know someone who's saved up every Tectonic Energy drop he's had since he started Vorago, as well as put every Wand/Orb split he's received into Spirit Shards... He literally has nothing to do with all the money, as he's already got a couple of Tectonic/Sirenic/Drygore/Ascension/Seismic sets, and will most likely break his shard stack to get all of the pets, even if it means spending 10b or so overall.

He's way too rich. :lol:

 

Ask him if he can miss 1b so I can get this title =C

 

I asked, he said earn it.

 

Become a gambler like me and/or be ridiculously lucky.

 

Fixed.

 

So having money now means you are a gambler or lucky, so I couldn't have earned the vast majority of my wealth by other methods?

Kiln was easy money, no luck just skill.

Nex we had lower than average drop rate slightly but we just kept at it, so slightly unlucky with that.

Flipping items, knowledge on which items were good to flip at the time, no luck or gambling.

Frost dragons, of course, need to be extremely lucky to get those frost dragon bones!

Selling floors in DG, required huge luck to be able to do 15-20 min floors regularly, everyone knows it.

 

So can you actually point out, from those methods that I used to gain money, where I gambled and/or got extremely lucky?

 

On topic: Won't be a good first few tries at Barrows, I imagine a video or two will be up quite fast showing the different attacks so it shouldn't be too hard from then to have a good chance at it. Only problem I see is the team, having the people on and available to do it.

[Yoko Kurama]

 

 

 

 

I know someone who's saved up every Tectonic Energy drop he's had since he started Vorago, as well as put every Wand/Orb split he's received into Spirit Shards... He literally has nothing to do with all the money, as he's already got a couple of Tectonic/Sirenic/Drygore/Ascension/Seismic sets, and will most likely break his shard stack to get all of the pets, even if it means spending 10b or so overall.

He's way too rich. :lol:

 

Ask him if he can miss 1b so I can get this title =C

 

I asked, he said earn it.

 

Become a gambler like me and/or be ridiculously lucky.

 

Fixed.

 

So having money now means you are a gambler or lucky, so I couldn't have earned the vast majority of my wealth by other methods?

Kiln was easy money, no luck just skill.

Nex we had lower than average drop rate slightly but we just kept at it, so slightly unlucky with that.

Flipping items, knowledge on which items were good to flip at the time, no luck or gambling.

Frost dragons, of course, need to be extremely lucky to get those frost dragon bones!

Selling floors in DG, required huge luck to be able to do 15-20 min floors regularly, everyone knows it.

 

So can you actually point out, from those methods that I used to gain money, where I gambled and/or got extremely lucky?

 

On topic: Won't be a good first few tries at Barrows, I imagine a video or two will be up quite fast showing the different attacks so it shouldn't be too hard from then to have a good chance at it. Only problem I see is the team, having the people on and available to do it.

 

 

It was a remark made in jest (as yours was), but if you do want to take it seriously, then sure, we can do that too.

 

The answer to your question is an unequivocal yes. I didn't say that obtaining money can only be done through chance or knowledge-less activities. No. But to get a LOT of money in RS, that's generally how it's done. Having money doesn't mean you got it all from luck or staking, but having 10 BILLION (that's how much the person who we are discussing has) does mean that you got a significant portion of it from gambling (staking/flower game/dicing), or being lucky (sniping a boss drop). If you have several stacks of max cash, there is a very high probability that you got it from the methods I described. That's the only way to make that sort of cash on RS. That statement isn't unreasonable, it's quite fair.

[Urza285]

Oh jagex troll...

 

I can't wait to try this.