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....and these are only the ones Jagex MADE UP!

To be honest, it wouldn't surprise me if the "real" numbers were higher.

 

 

Hm.. it would me.  like I said in last weeks article: it might have something to do with the company I choose to keep.. and maybe also because clanmates better not admit to cheat..coss I'll trow them out.. but I see more good people then cheaters. 

 

Wouldn't it be sad if my fiance would have to say: I got my T-comp without sharing, botting, buying gp or any other cheating.. for it to actually have value?

 

But.. regardless off the real numbers, I do not think Jagex can do more then guesstimate. If they really could produce true numbers they also could punish these cheaters. Taking illegally gained gp or xp + a fine would stop almost all cheating  IF the chance of getting caught was high enough.  A ban is not even needed, a ban is only needed as a deterrent when the chance of being caught is low.

What ever the case: I believe there are 3kinds of people who wont cheat:

 

-Ones that are scared to get caught, and for many any risk is to big, which means a large % wont even risk it, but might actually buy a bond.

-Ones that have a moral reason not to cheat, because of a personal  sense of fairness or pride.  How can you truly 'show off' about something you didn't actually deserve? 

-Ones that know, as I do, that for them cheating would ruin the fun.  If you ever played a shooter game and turned on godmode you should have the experience that this sucks all the fun out of the game rather quickly. Happened to me playing Doom 2, long ago. 

Maybe its just me, but experienced, somewhat adult gamers should know this by now.

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Jagex' own stats say that 40-50% of all active players have at some point bought or sold GP...

That is a HUGE customerbase willing to break the rules, and these are only the ones Jagex KNOWS about...

 

... and these are only the ones Jagex MADE UP!

 

If you're going to say such a thing, you better have the proof to back it up.
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Hm.. it would me.  like I said in last weeks article: it might have something to do with the company I choose to keep.. and maybe also because clanmates better not admit to cheat..coss I'll trow them out.. but I see more good people then cheaters. 

 

Wouldn't it be sad if my fiance would have to say: I got my T-comp without sharing, botting, buying gp or any other cheating.. for it to actually have value?

I haven't had that kind of luck, and I've had more than enough personal experience with high level/high profile players involved in some kind of cheating (Including people that are or were regulars here) that it would be a surprise if they were in the minority.

 

To put it bluntly, you're in a clan where you throw out cheaters, I was in a clan where I was the only one that didn't cheat.

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Jagex' own stats say that 40-50% of all active players have at some point bought or sold GP...

That is a HUGE customerbase willing to break the rules, and these are only the ones Jagex KNOWS about...

 

... and these are only the ones Jagex MADE UP!

 

If you're going to say such a thing, you better have the proof to back it up.

 

 

1- Why?  This is a forum, not an article.. in articles I use more careful words to say that I BELIEVE the same thing I just trew out here..

2- See my last post above this, that explains why I don't think Jagex CAN know the numbers.

3- Should Jagex not have proof before accusing its player base like this?

 

 

 

 

Hm.. it would me.  like I said in last weeks article: it might have something to do with the company I choose to keep.. and maybe also because clanmates better not admit to cheat..coss I'll trow them out.. but I see more good people then cheaters. 

 

Wouldn't it be sad if my fiance would have to say: I got my T-comp without sharing, botting, buying gp or any other cheating.. for it to actually have value?

I haven't had that kind of luck, and I've seen more than enough examples of high level/high profile players involved in some kind of cheating (Including people that are or were regulars here) that it would be a surprise if they were in the minority.

 

 

 

I believe the bad examples stand out and get remembered where the normal players just go on unnoticed, cause they are.. normal...  Not unlike all the gossip about celebrities and news about criminal behavior in real life. If you do not rob a store you don't get in the news do you..

But, since there are no numbers on this, except the ones Jagex threw out there without a foundation, we will in the end never know.. but I certainly hope I am right.. lol..

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Jagex' own stats say that 40-50% of all active players have at some point bought or sold GP...

That is a HUGE customerbase willing to break the rules, and these are only the ones Jagex KNOWS about...

 

... and these are only the ones Jagex MADE UP!

 

If you're going to say such a thing, you better have the proof to back it up.

 

 

1- Why?  This is a forum, not an article.. in articles I use more careful words to say that I BELIEVE the same thing I just trew out here..

2- See my last post above this, that explains why I don't think Jagex CAN know the numbers.

3- Should Jagex not have proof before accusing its player base like this?

 

You hadn't edited in the last part of that post yet when I replied...

 

And if Jagex did ban all of the people they knew had bought/sold gold at some point, you'd be looking at them waving away half of their player base. That's reason enough not to want to ban all of those people, IMO.

 

Ban the big buys that buy/sell billions made from gambling/staking and the gold farmers to make a point, sure.

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Jagex' own stats say that 40-50% of all active players have at some point bought or sold GP...

That is a HUGE customerbase willing to break the rules, and these are only the ones Jagex KNOWS about...

 

... and these are only the ones Jagex MADE UP!

 

If you're going to say such a thing, you better have the proof to back it up.

 

 

1- Why?  This is a forum, not an article.. in articles I use more careful words to say that I BELIEVE the same thing I just trew out here..

2- See my last post above this, that explains why I don't think Jagex CAN know the numbers.

3- Should Jagex not have proof before accusing its player base like this?

 

You hadn't edited in the last part of that post yet when I replied...

 

And if Jagex did ban all of the people they knew had bought/sold gold at some point, you'd be looking at them waving away half of their player base. That's reason enough not to want to ban all of those people, IMO.

 

Ban the big buys that buy/sell billions made from gambling/staking and the gold farmers to make a point, sure.

 

 

feel free to re-read my posts, nothing edited since you posted this, I nowhere say that Jagex should ban the cheaters. I am fully aware that is economically  disastrous. That's why my solution would be : taking away ill gotten gains + a fine.

IF jagex could actually tell who was cheating and who wasn't accurately enough to count, then they could do that.

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No, you definitely edited your post at some point.

I had the page loaded from before you had edited it, which is why I didn't see that part.

You can try to deny it all you want, that will only make you look like a fool.

 

But yeah, taking away the bought GP + a bit more would be a good alternative.

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No, you definitely edited your post at some point.

I had the page loaded from before you had edited it, which is why I didn't see that part.

You can try to deny it all you want, that will only make you look like a fool.

 

But yeah, taking away the bought GP + a bit more would be a good alternative.

 

I edited several posts, just not since you posted that last bit.  Its why I said: ' nothing edited since you posted this' ( the stuff I quoted ).

And some ppl think written convo's  leads to less misunderstandings.. lol..

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Regardless of a post being edited or not (people can change their mind, can they not?), the fact remains that a LOT of players bought Bonds to begin with, pretty much proving that there is definitely a market for it...

I also mentioned this in my article, with the addendum that a demand is almost always met with a supply...

 

The success of Bonds is evidence (circumstantial, I know) that those 40-50% isn't a number pulled out of their corporate asses and is an educated guess to say the least.

 

Truth is, we'll never know how many people are willing to cheat, how many of them have indeed cheated, how often they cheated, and how big a scale they have cheated on...

 

This demands a solution that fixes the leaky tap, rather than putting bucket after bucket under it... And whether you like it or not, I have provided one that most of my shady-er sources agree would stop the problem... Not only have other games already taken similar measures and be successful at it (Diablo III is an example), but they fully expect Jagex to go down this road as well...

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A little over 20,000$ (4315 * 5$) worth of bonds have been donated. While it's a good cause for those who donated the bonds. I wonder how many of those bonds were bought off the G.E. from some player trying to make some quick gp. 

 

 

4315 * 6.5m = 28billion coins worth of bonds. 

 

In my opinion making more unbuyable content, such as PoP and Dungeoneering would make players less likely to buy gold, as buying gold wouldn't bring them closer to an unbuyable item. (Yes I know they can still buy gold to help them acquire resources for some of the level 90 PoP skills, and floor selling services for tokens). 

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This demands a solution that fixes the leaky tap, rather than putting bucket after bucket under it... And whether you like it or not, I have provided one that most of my shady-er sources agree would stop the problem... Not only have other games already taken similar measures and be successful at it (Diablo III is an example), but they fully expect Jagex to go down this road as well...

Going with this metaphor, this doesn't look like a fix for the leaky tap as much as a fix for all of the buckets underneath it. The problems that lead to cheating are still there, this basically just patches up the problems caused by it (And, depending on how you feel about gambling, leads to worse problems).

 

I don't really have time for an indepth post right now, sorry about that.

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A little over 20,000$ (4315 * 5$) worth of bonds have been donated. While it's a good cause for those who donated the bonds. I wonder how many of those bonds were bought off the G.E. from some player trying to make some quick gp. 

 

 

4315 * 6.5m = 28billion coins worth of bonds. 

 

In my opinion making more unbuyable content, such as PoP and Dungeoneering would make players less likely to buy gold, as buying gold wouldn't bring them closer to an unbuyable item. (Yes I know they can still buy gold to help them acquire resources for some of the level 90 PoP skills, and floor selling services for tokens). 

Most likely all those bonds were bought off the GE as one can donate directly to charities without Jagex taking its cut. That also put 28 billion into circulation which will be spent as few will buy gp with the only intention of letting it sit in the bank and money circulation is a great thing though there's a risk to inflation.

 

As for unbuyable content, those either have methods to be bought in another manner (buying DG floors) or need content to access that in itself can be bought. Great ideas still, but not a solution for the problem of illegal gp sellers.

 

@TS_Stormrage,

 

Great article. I've been thinking about it and I don't see the immediate need to offer a monetary cash-in for bonds at the moment. For now, they seem to doing their job with their limited cash-in value of membership, spins or coins. Add in a cash back option then that will draw in the botters in a big way but in a more distributed fashion since many players might like the idea of $2 an hour just running their computer at night. Its one of those things you can't fully predict the outcome. It could destroy Jagex with the bot onslaught or it could bring in players by the thousands looking at an interesting way to get money by having fun playing a game or something equally unpredictable.

 

As for the casino idea, I believe Jagex mentioned that it runs counter to British law concerning online gambling. Personally I think it'd make a great cash sink but what can you do about national laws. It's also possible Jagex has an ingenious method to implement some cash sinks in addition to the new skill. Time will tell.

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The success of Bonds is evidence (circumstantial, I know) that those 40-50% isn't a number pulled out of their corporate asses and is an educated guess to say the least.

 

Truth is, we'll never know how many people are willing to cheat, how many of them have indeed cheated, how often they cheated, and how big a scale they have cheated on...

 

To me the success of the bonds shows NOT how many ppl have cheated, the number Jagex claims to know, but how many ppl are willing to pay LEGALLY .

That will include some former cheaters, but I believe you yourself said many of those will continue to buy from goldfarmers, if that is cheaper.

 

There is a difference between buying bonds and buying form goldfarmers.. be it a technically legal one.

 

We will indeed never know.. and yes, it does demand a solution... they should read your article.

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