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26-Nov-2013 Coinshare, World Map and Tutorial


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Oh right yeah the GE pricing is such a huge deal [/sarcasm]. The player base will eventually fix that through buying/selling. Give them a break. Virtus wand is sooo overpriced anyways.


When they never set a proper pricing (especially if something is based off of existing things or idiotic like offhand ascension...) and takes months to catch up (or simply never does), then it IS a huge deal.
And if you're going to mention overpriced, wand is still cheaper than the 120m+ virtus robe top/bottom, according to Jagex.
Ok so it might not be completely accurate, but its not broken or made horribly ujderpriced. Besides the wand was overpriced before this. I wouldn't mind looking at this as an oportunity for players to get a somewhat fair grab at saving themselves money. Hell jagex probably priced shards that way in anticipation that they new system would lower prices a bit because people would be buying shards and not a complete item. Basically players wouldn't be saving money for a lump sum to buy the item. They would save to buy fractional pieces of the item.



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They should put the price of all starting items at 1 gp and then readjust the list price after a 2 week GE sales median value and then let it roll like normal.

The bickering over the starting list price is ridiculous.

I'm sure our kings of mercantilism can handle that.


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Ok so it might not be completely accurate, but its not broken or made horribly ujderpriced. Besides the wand was overpriced before this. I wouldn't mind looking at this as an oportunity for players to get a somewhat fair grab at saving themselves money. Hell jagex probably priced shards that way in anticipation that they new system would lower prices a bit because people would be buying shards and not a complete item. Basically players wouldn't be saving money for a lump sum to buy the item. They would save to buy fractional pieces of the item.

Now you're just mulishly refusing to cede the point... there is no way you're 'anticipating' lower prices if you value SGS at 500k when SS is 23m, because SGS is universally a better weapon. If Jagex wasn't lazy, they would realize that it looks extremely weird, and they would have said something about it.

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My minimap is still broken, after 6 months!!!! There goes my hope that the new world map would solve the problem...



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There are 60 Shard-ed items. There should be 7 more, but I won't get into that.... (just realized Bandos warshield isn't included, either)
 
The last column is for things like spirit shield prices and also the going prices for seismics. And before you go "oh, well, they made all the prices the same for items of the same type".....look at Torva. NO gwd shield is (or probably even was) as much as the shard price suggests. As for spirit shields, Spectral is much more common a drop than the others.
 
The main draw for this should be the shard %....not many are even remotely close to 100% value. Spoiler just so I don't clog up the page too much.
 


 
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They're probably all old config prices that were either alch values or starting GE prices. SS 23M, Hilts at 500k, and the like.

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I'm sure our kings of mercantilism can handle that.

 

Except merchants won't touch some of it with a 10 foot pole because of how bad they are. gwd shields? A single shard is almost as much as the item itself. Drygores? Yeah....no



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How much time do we have to take advantage of this discrepncy? I'd like to get virtus weapons already.



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How much time do we have to take advantage of this discrepncy? I'd like to get virtus weapons already.

 

More than likely none as there's nothing to take advantage of. People with the shards aren't going to sell them as they are because they're not going to get their moneys worth unless the shards are over priced in which case no one is going to buy them. 

 

Easy Fix : Start all shards out at 1/120th of the price of the item they split from. From then on make the items price and the shards price be linked so that if shards shoot up the item goes up as well. 

 

I.E. Item x costs 120 mil in GE so shards are 1 mil each. Shards are traded so that they go up in price to 2 mil each, item x goes up to 240 mil each. 

 

Better yet, just assign one person on Jagex staff to monitor the forums and manually adjust the prices on items that are completely off of their G.E. listed price. That person would literally only have to work 1 day a week to keep up with things and it would really only affect new items or changes to items. 



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Ge price has been an irrelevant number for items worth more than a few million for a long time. The fact they got the ge price of the shards a little off is of no consequence.


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Issue with ge has always been that it is a history of past trades; it is not a representation of current value. This is true for all items due to the fact that the ge only updates once daily. However this false representation only increases with higher value items as they are updated less and less often due to lower trade frequency.

At the same time more frequent updates are not necessarily the answer as they can cause panic spikes and dips. And those with extreme banks can push these spikes/dips further for profit.

IMO this new system was poorly thought out. It's a great example of the Jagex policy of release an update and forget about it. The ge has been out for 5 years and we've had what, 4 updates of any significance, if that? It always takes jagex months and months to fix ge issues, such as broken ge prices on sigils. I'm not entirely sure what the solution should have been but we surely need at least twice a day ge price updates at least with certain low volume items updating differently; perhaps showing price ranges for the last ~5-10 trades. I never gave this much thought because I love the broken ge as it's highly profitable. But I do recognize that it's never worked very well. It eliminates player to player trade and makes flipping a million times easier and that's about it.

I always said we need less new updates and more revamps/game fixes. I'd prefer 2 updates a month to old content and 1-2 new pieces of really good content.
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I was on very strong prescription pain meds when I wrote this and it made no sense.



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I'm sure our kings of mercantilism can handle that.

 

Except merchants won't touch some of it with a 10 foot pole because of how bad they are. gwd shields? A single shard is almost as much as the item itself. Drygores? Yeah....no

 

 

Oh come on, you're more intelligent than that. The shards don't go straight into the GE like coinshare items did. If I have warshield shards, I'll put them in the GE for 1k each. I don't care what the starting GE price is, and neither will the buyers. The GE price is completely irrelevant, and every merchant knows that. The price discrepancy is a non-issue.


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Not only were there quite a few hidden updates to Barrows/Rise of the Six, but Vorago has been buffed. Because Seismics really need to be made higher; and because let's sabotage our very own new shard system which was meant to lower prices by encouraging participation. What a [bleep]ing joke.



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I was on very strong prescription pain meds when I wrote this and it made no sense.

 

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I dont see why everyone is decrying shards just because the start values are a bit wacky.

 

The prices will fix themselves like all new items do; just because a ge value exists doesn't mean people pay attention to it straight away - that's why street prices exist on new release items.


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Real values exist on every item. The prices dont need to fix themselves, this update has had 0 impact on them - meaning the CS update, idk about any buffs or whatever.


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Going through the entire tutorial (including the mentor system that makes you go through several novice quests) right now, on a new character.

So far, I've noticed that they graphically updated The Blood Pact. The catacombs look better and the three NPCs have updated graphics. They graphically updated Kayle's chargebow, Caitlin's staff and Reese's sword; they added Reese's off-hand sword as well (member only, naturally.)


Also, they put the Lumbridge lodestone back in front of the castle.




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