Combat Improvements / Beta

[Ammako]

Fingers crossed for Chaotic claws inheriting the Dragon claws spec.

[stealthchris117]

Watching the video showed me that momentum plus is just a slightly beefed up version of the current momentum, not in addition to it, this makes more sense. (I was thinking it was in addition to momentum)

Seems to me the Revolution ability will be a lot better than Momentum plus, as it appears to build adrenaline slowly over time versus on each hit.

 

I really like the improvements and Revolution is definitely something I will be using if/when they release it to RS3.

 

I hope they add specials to the top end weapons. It wouldn't make much sense for all the tier 60-75 level weapons to have them and nothing at 80/90.

[Fallstar]

Queuing abiliities is nice. A lot of the button smashing comes from hitting the next ability 2-3 times to make sure it fires right after the current one. This will at least eliminate those redundant key presses.

 

I'm not so sure on spec attacks, although they apparently suck anyway.

 

Momentum buff will makes daggs faster, but that's about it.

[Major Dash]

Just sold a pair of claws for 11.5m. Even if they get their old special attack again, they can't be anywhere near as good as they used to be (even their chaotic version).

[xpx]

Wow. Revolution is super good. Tried it at two of the things i like to do most combat wise- dungeoneering(with DW magic) and slayer(drygores/QBD). With revolution, i click about 20 times less and get a higher total damage output due to more auto-attacks. The learning curve of how to manage thresholds and ultimates in there is very slim and it all really feels like pre-EoC combat- only with more diversity and choices. Kind of sucks they will likely not be putting it in any time soon.

[Veiva]

Already TDs are crowded because of the update :P. Some noob tried crashing me earlier because I only bring range. That didn't end well for him...

 

Gonna try out TDs on the beta soon, speaking of which...

[Ambler]

Did some PvP, the lack of cooldown between switches gives some VERY interesting fights if you both bring switches, though as I was steel titan prodding the majority of people either ran, teled, or died within 10 seconds. :lol:

 

 

Will explore this further when they make it playable on Linux computers with the client. :)

[strilmus]

And then everybody bought out all of the old spec weapons. Out with the new, in with the old...

[Estoc]

And then everybody bought out all of the old spec weapons. Out with the new, in with the old...

 

Are any of them at all relevant? Seems like abilities would outdo every old spec, not even considering many were purposefully made to take their place.

[Hedgehog]

 

And then everybody bought out all of the old spec weapons. Out with the new, in with the old...

 

Are any of them at all relevant? Seems like abilities would outdo every old spec, not even considering many were purposefully made to take their place.

 

My concern is that specs will be worth using at like 80-90 attack/magic/ranged, which would defeat the entire purpose of eoc

[Sy_Accursed]

 

And then everybody bought out all of the old spec weapons. Out with the new, in with the old...

 

Are any of them at all relevant? Seems like abilities would outdo every old spec, not even considering many were purposefully made to take their place.

 

 

The price spikes are pretty much all hype.

 

The 'specials' are basically mediocre specials tailored specifically to the tier of the weapon.

In pretty much all cases normal abilities equal or out do the special.

 

And of course weapons of a higher tier exceed them in all ways.

 

This is not a game were a dragon wep with a decent special can pwn everyone - it's t60 tat

Nor is it a game where t70 and t75 with specials can outclass t80 and t90.

 

They are a nice little perk to the weapons they are on, but nothing to write home about they all just offer an extra threshold vaguely useful til you upgrade to better gear.

[strilmus]

the option of having additional abilities on top of the abilities we have now will always be more attractive than not having them

 

btw, how does one actually equip these abilities

[Blyaunte]

...  just seems like jagex's easy way to make whiners who are obsessed with specials stfu without any real impact to the game.

 

You make it sound like a bad thing ... :huh:

[Ammako]

beta.prm

 

-Djava.class.path=jagexappletviewer.jar
-Dsun.java2d.noddraw=true
-Dcom.jagex.config=http://world210.runescape.com/a=14/k=3/l=$(Language:0)/jav_config.ws
-Xmx512m
-Xss2m
jagexappletviewer

[Urza285]

Personally ability queu is the best for pvm. Life sucks when you think you timed your shield ability right then BAM one hit KO.

 

Also momentum+/revolution is a slayers best friend. Revolution moreso on them specific tasks.

[Yoko Kurama]

As it currently stands, all the old specials suck for PVM (for the most part). Why is that? Because the weapons they are linked to have accuracy that is inferior to T90 weaponry, and because the old specials use adrenaline that is equivalent to the old combat system - which is a big no-no. So for instance, the Armadyl Godsword's special attack requires you to have 50% threshold to activate it, but after that, it drains it from 50% to 0%. It's far better to use normal thresholds which require 50% adrenaline to activate but only eat up 15% adrenaline. Unless they address at least this problem, and possibly give some of the specials a boost, they won't make a dent in EoC at all.

[Sy_Accursed]

Tbh specials are just a weird market:

If they do make a dent in EoC then its bad because they've ruined their tier system, unless they give all higher weps a special but then tht defeats the idea anyway.

If they don't make a dent in EoC they achieve nothing other than adding a random extra ability to a weapon and hopefully quietening down the whiners obsessed with specials who some how think their return will fix everything.

[Hedgehog]

As it currently stands, all the old specials suck for PVM (for the most part). Why is that? Because the weapons they are linked to have accuracy that is inferior to T90 weaponry, and because the old specials use adrenaline that is equivalent to the old combat system - which is a big no-no. So for instance, the Armadyl Godsword's special attack requires you to have 50% threshold to activate it, but after that, it drains it from 50% to 0%. It's far better to use normal thresholds which require 50% adrenaline to activate but only eat up 15% adrenaline. Unless they address at least this problem, and possibly give some of the specials a boost, they won't make a dent in EoC at all.

Yeah, it's awesome

 

Also the following can be research in the beta. I will love anyone who does so forever.

 

• Frequency of voyages, crew, and captains in player-owned ports
• QBD/Barrows/ROT6 drop rates(kill->enter beta->check chest->import save->repeat)
• If disease is determined on plant or on tick (plant->wait until farming tick->see if diseased->import save->repeat)
• Average yield of herbs (pick->import save->repeat)
• Crystal triskelion reward rates
• Favor points (Jadinko lair) reward rates (seeds/teleport bags)

[Blutters]

This beta already has a [bleep]in stupid economy all to itself because there aren't any weapon/armor dispensers this time other than Lady Deathknell at Lumbridge, who gives spec weapons through dialogue. On that note Morrigan's Javelins seem kinda OP.

[Sy_Accursed]

This beta already has a [bleep]in stupid economy all to itself because there aren't any weapon/armor dispensers this time other than Lady Deathknell at Lumbridge, who gives spec weapons through dialogue. On that note Morrigan's Javelins seem kinda OP.

 

Does it really matter what the 'economy' does in a completely closed beta where nothing is permanent?

 

Heck half my clan are quite happy to go on repair their gear and give them to others for free so they can play with t90 gear or nex armour or w/e cause we can just reload our data and get them back again.

[sarg1010]

the option of having additional abilities on top of the abilities we have now will always be more attractive than not having them

 

btw, how does one actually equip these abilities

On the right side of the ability bar is a special "special attack" button that changes by weapon.

[Yoko Kurama]

If this goes live, does that mean inventory quick slots are gone? In the beta the colored blue and green boxes are still there in the inventory but not on the bar.

 

Incidentally, someone asked me to give them my seismics on the beta today, and only after it happened did I realize what a blunder that was. Knowing Jagex, I could have easily lost it on the main game or something. 

[Major Dash]

Just so you guys know, you can't redeem bonds in the beta and keep reloading your save file to get more. (in case anyone was wondering)

[The Marquis]

So Inventor weapons anyone? Would it possible for the higher level weapons to choose your own special attack for it. The higher the weapon level the more options you have available...

[Ts_Stormrage]

As it currently stands, all the old specials suck for PVM (for the most part). Why is that? Because the weapons they are linked to have accuracy that is inferior to T90 weaponry, and because the old specials use adrenaline that is equivalent to the old combat system - which is a big no-no. So for instance, the Armadyl Godsword's special attack requires you to have 50% threshold to activate it, but after that, it drains it from 50% to 0%. It's far better to use normal thresholds which require 50% adrenaline to activate but only eat up 15% adrenaline. Unless they address at least this problem, and possibly give some of the specials a boost, they won't make a dent in EoC at all.

And THIS is why it's a BETA :D