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I am making this thread, as a split of from the 200M all skills thread.

 

Do you think playing Runescape is a waste of time? Why/why not? Is there different limits for everybody?

 

Discussions like this are sure to get fairly intense, but please try to be curtious or this topic will have to close. Do your best not to personally attack anybody, and if somebody does attack you, please just ignore the statement (I know its hard not to get the last word, but that just starts a crapfest) and report it.

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time enjoyed is time not wasted

 

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What if the time enjoyed now, leads to times that are not so enjoyable in the future?

I don't think it is all so simple as you have put it.

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Well, we aren't all time lords and don't know what the future will have in store.

 

You can be a grumpy hobbit who plans the future and doesn't have fun, or be a free spirit who enjoys the present and takes the future as it come.


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I met my first friends through a clan and they continue to be my best friends all of these years later.

But the game itself: yes, that was an absolute waste of time with terrible ramifications on my work ethic and focus.

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time enjoyed is time not wasted

 

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What if the time enjoyed now, leads to times that are not so enjoyable in the future?

I don't think it is all so simple as you have put it.

 

Then you are going to spend much of your time debating whether or not to commit to (an) action(s) by which time life will have flown past and you've missed out. Nearly all decisions have the potential to lead to negative outcomes, you have to decide based on your own thinking processes/views/etc whether or not the outcomes are swayed enough towards the pro to do them. 


 

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Goal oriented people, like most frontpagers, make it their obsession to accomplish everything

 

Then there are the people who play obsessively for 'fun'. I really do not understand how some people find running in circles for a hundred+ days enjoyable, but its their choice

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I would never say that any time spent on runescape, I wasted. 

I could've been doing something better like maybe being social with friends or studying harder but at the end of everything,  I still have a decent amount of friends, I graduated with really good grades and I have had a lot of fun playing this game. 


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Nope.

 

If I play RS it's because I want to and am enjoying the game atm. So it's no more a waste of time than any other recreational activity for me.

 

Some people spend longer on RS so it's not just a recreational activity but more a lifestyle. If those people find some kind of value in doing that then it isn't a waste of time for them either, and your preconceptions about how they should be spending their time are irrelevant.


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It's only a waste of time if:

- you're not enjoying your time spent playing

- you're making serious compromises to other areas of your life in order to enjoy your time spent playing; which in turn makes you overall a less happy person

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Lame question. Runescape is a waste of time ok.... but as compared to what?

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OK, while typing this post, I kind of had a lot to say. So I'll break it down into points:

 

1. Playing a game for hours and hours is generally selfish, outside of freak circumstance.

 

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I think there's a point where your actions are more selfish or selfless when time is taken into consideration. Of course, what defines selfish/selfless is subjective around a 'half way point.' But beyond, or below that, it's less subjective. Of course, there's always those outlier extremists, but they don't count.

 

I think in an ideal world we'd all work towards bettering future generations, aka Star Trek. This does not mean there's no time for us, as individuals, as humans are indeed selfish in some respects; Star Trek features the holodeck, etc for means of recreation. There's nothing wrong with that. In a nonfiction example, this is the concept of hobbies: video games, etc.

 

But there comes a point where you're doing nothing but enjoying yourself. If I played Skyrim for 14 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year, would I be benefiting anyone else? Would I be contributing to society? No.

 

When we are selfish, society suffers. Imagine if people did only did selfish things, because, y'know, screw everyone else! That wouldn't be good. Now, in the case of playing a game for extreme lengths, not many people do that. There's a situation for this, can't remember the name right now (grr, I'm so tired, probably shouldn't be typing this, haha), but the idea is that if we all put in our worth, we all benefit, but it takes only one person to spoil the scenario by not doing his or her fair share.

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2. There's exceptions, of course, but what about the most part?

 

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So what does this have to do with RuneScape? Well, if all you do for years at a time is play RuneScape for hours and hours and hours a day, you're hurting society in most cases. I know there are those who are financially secure in real life thanks to previous decisions--and guess what? They're good! They are contributing to society indirectly through taxes on their earnings, or what they had earned, and so on. That's fine.

 

But how many of the top playing (not ranking--I mean hours put into the game; hence, I'm not targeting those who are on the top of the high [can't stand how it's 'hi scores'] scores, but anyone who spends 'unhealthy' portions of their lives on the game) players have done this? I can't say. I don't know. But if any of those are leeching off of someone, be it their family, or society even, then I don't find that good or beneficial in any form.

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3. RuneScape, or playing games in general, is not a marketable skill, and hence you'll find it hard to adjust after you burn out or RuneScape eventually becomes irrelevant.

 

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Say you dropped out of school to play RuneScape. How are you going to be able to market yourself in 30 years? Say you make money off YouTube videos and Twitch streams, or whatever. OK, awesome! You're getting paid to do something you love. But how are you going to be able to market yourself in 30 years? That's the point: the future. If you dropped out of school to pursue your goal of making a social media platform, and succeed, that's much different than doing so to play RuneScape.

 

Do you know why? Because making a social media platform is a great experience, regardless of if it succeeds or not, and you'll be able to market yourself. You won't, outside of crazy unforeseen external factors, become a burden on society. You can probably retire if it's successful enough; if not, you'll be able to put it on a resume and get a decent job later down the road. There's no shame in mistakes like that. However, how can you market yourself by saying "I made RS guides and made money!" Ok, good. Maybe you'll be able to get a job in some marketing department. But I'm sure that's an extremely minute possibility, and it would only work for those who, say, had the drive/potential anyway. I don't think most RS players have this kind of drive--such examples are outliers, not the normality, in any group. RS isn't full of Einsteins or Steve Jobs :).

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So I guess what I'm saying in a tl;dr version is that we should work together towards some greater good, and unhealthy, selfish actions don't contribute. Or something. And luckily, most of us live in a society that ensures that we all have personal freedom thanks to our previous generations. So do what you will, but don't be that person who spoils it for the rest of us. Because when you do, you put a burden on society...

 

 



Lame question. Runescape is a waste of time ok.... but as compared to what?

 

RuneScape is a waste of time compared to so many other things. Because of circumstances out of my control, I am unable to attend college. As of now, getting a job is extremely difficult considering when one factors in how that would disrupt my household. Do I play RuneScape for 10 hours a day as a result?

 

No. You know what I do so I don't waste time? I develop genuinely useful skills, including writing, reading, and programming. I have knack for (mostly) English literature. How many times have most people here read "The Waste Lands" by Eliot, or even attempted to read Joyce's magnus opus of "Finnegan's Wake" or even know of John Skelton or even understand Beowulf or know what the first novel in the world was [and read it!] or recite Shakespeare for fun? How many people write short stories (not lengthy novels that'll never get published), and try to master the art of poetry [i don't mean doggerel either], rather than go on Facebook for hours? Those are just my hobbies, and as such are skills that aren't useful other than to pass down as e.g. a teacher or historian or some such. My minute knowledge of English literature as a result of personal exploration is, again, not very impressive in a sense. But it's better than playing RuneScape, objectively.

 

Now, for marketable skills... I program. At least four hours each day, I sit down and code. You know why? It's not only to keep me from going insane, e.g. through boredom, but also so I can be of use when my situation betters. I understand assembly in three dialects--x86, PPC, and ARM. That's something marketable. I learned C, and a bit later, C++ when I was in middle school through high school, alongside my usual studies. Yeah, that was for the fun of it. But now it's a benefit, because I understand efficient code and how to efficiently code. Aside from that, I've learned a whole slew of programming languages suited for various domains because of a craving for knowledge.

 

This is just me and I am not alone. There are many enjoyable activities that one could exert themselves on, depending on their tastes, that is much less of a waste of time than playing RuneScape.

 

By the way, I do play RS for a few hours a week. Generally I limit it to no more than 10 hours, but can exceed that depending on what I'm currently doing (e.g., if I can AFK something while reading, I might). So don't think I dislike RuneScape. What I dislike is this notion that RS can be a lifestyle. No, it shouldn't be.

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The thing for me is I am not even sure how I feel myself. I definitely think there is a great value to the game; it is a place to relax, relief stress, make friends and have fun. However there is a line for me, a point where the game goes from good to bad. I think that line is different for every person though, which is where the debate becomes heated (though I'm glad to say it has been wonderfully handled so far).

In my own life, I find that I enjoy the time I spend playing, but I regret not being more productive after. Also, the game is very addicting so that can be dangerous too. I think I can handle it pretty well now, but there points in the past few years where I have pushed other things that I consider priorites aside for the game.

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Insofar as video games are designed to be time wasters, sure, Runescape was a waste of time. That's the point.

 

However, I wish I had spent my high school years on something that had developed me more as a person, rather than developing an online character I control. 

 

I like Veiva's post, but most of the time I find myself preferring to do things that aren't making me more valuable to society and/or making me more knowledgeable/intelligent. Right now, I'm watching a TV show on Netflix and nothing else. Just as much a waste of time as Runescape.

 

But at least I'm not foregoing the extracurricular activities that I need to be doing to get into medical school to play Runescape anymore. It feels pretty liberating to stop giving a crap about XP. As you can see in my signature, I used to be all about dat XP. Thankfully, my grades never suffered.


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@Veiva, I disagree with just about everything you said :P

 

I believe that EVERYTHING you do is selfish. If you decide to quit your job and give all of your money and possessions to charity, you're being selfish. Why? Because you're doing that in order to make yourself feel good. Whether you realize it or not, everything you do is an attempt to bring you closer to what you think will make you feel either happier or less unhappy.

 

With that said, there's a difference between being selfish (which is completely acceptable and normal, despite what society would like you to think) and being inconsiderate. However, I don't believe it is psychologically possible to be consistently happy in the long-term as a result of directly making others unhappy. Also keep in mind that just because you're being selfish does not mean you're doing society or anyone a disservice. If I were to give all my money to charity, it would be selfish, but despite being selfish, I would be helping others become happier.

 

I think a lot of people end up unhappy because they sacrifice their own personal happiness for society's happiness. A lot of people don't seem to understand that despite all of humanity's ups and downs and despite all of the "selfish" and "selfless" people in the world, humanity is still doing just fine, and it will continue to do just fine.

 

You have no obligation to contribute society. You do, however have a massive obligation to contribute to yourself. If you can make yourself happy (without directly violating someone else's happiness), then you're a "good" person. If staying in your room all day playing video games makes you happy, you're actually doing a favor to society by being a happy, friendly person. I would much rather have a society full of happy people than people who are miserable and mean because they've chosen to sacrifice their own happiness in order to make the mythical collective a happier entity.

 

Whenever I get on Facebook, there are always a few people getting upset over current events or social issues. Sometimes these issues affect me too. But they don’t bother me like they bother my friends. Why? Because at the end of the day, I know deep down that regardless of what life throws at me, I’m still going to be happy. I may not want what life throws at me, I may not think that life is being fair to me, but these “injustices” ultimately have no impact on my happiness. I’ve been through enough bad experiences whilst still remaining happy somehow to finally understand that even life’s harshest challenges will only make me happier in the long run as a result of learning from these experiences, rather than trying to fight and resist them.

 

The difference between me and my friends like that is: I depend only on myself for happiness. My friends depend on society for happiness. And as a result, I'm extremely happy, and unsurprisingly, most people that I meet love my company because I'm such a happy, loving person to them.

 

You might argue, "Well what happens if everyone was to be 'selfish' like you describe?" First of all, I don't think that's realistic or possible. There will always be enough people out there willing to sacrifice their own happiness in vain in order to keep society chugging along. But even if that were not the case and everybody started acting with their own interests in mind and ignoring society's interests, it would be irrelevant simply because a clever man makes the woes of society irrelevant to his own life and happiness.

 

As Harry Browne said, "A great burden was lifted from my shoulders the day I realized that no one owes me anything. For so long as I’d thought there were things I was entitled to, I’d been wearing myself out — physically and emotionally — trying to collect them. No one owes me moral conduct, respect, friendship, love, courtesy, or intelligence. And once I recognized that, all my relationships became far more satisfying. I’ve focused on being with people who want to do the things I want them to do. That understanding has served me well with friends, business associates, lovers, sales prospects, and strangers. It constantly reminds me that I can get what I want only if I can enter the other person’s world. I must try to understand how he thinks, what he believes to be important, what he wants. Only then can I appeal to someone in ways that will bring me what I want."

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@Muggi, there are plenty of people that donate a lot to charity simply because they feel it is the right thing to do. They might even feel a pang of sadness as they give the money away. Kant says it more eloquently: http://www.lawandbioethics.com/demo/Main/EthicsResources/Kantian_deontology.htm#Praise

 

Also, I know this is a bit cheesy, but if you've ever been in love you'd know that you love someone when you make the conscious decision that their happiness is worth as much as yours. This decision applies to your wife/husband as well as your potential children. Your philosophy seems to suggest you should not be a parent. I also suspect that people who write about how extremely happy they are like you do are not as happy as they'd like to think. Life is too lonely to care about and depend on only yourself.

 

Making other people happier doesn't demand that you become less happy; happiness is not an exchange. And very few of the unhappy people in this world could give less of a [bleep] about their contribution to society - ask any depressed person whether they think they are depressed because of their struggle to make society happier. It sounds ridiculous to them, and it should.


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@Muggi, there are plenty of people that donate a lot to charity simply because they feel it is the right thing to do. They might even feel a pang of sadness as they give the money away. Kant says it more eloquently: http://www.lawandbioethics.com/demo/Main/EthicsResources/Kantian_deontology.htm#Praise

 

I know. And I think that's insane.

 

Not really a fan of Kant. I recall he argued that one should ALWAYS obey the law 100% of the time. Even if there's a guy at your house threatening your family with a bomb and you have less than a minute to get home, he would argue that you shouldn't run a stoplight to get there.


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@Veiva, I disagree with just about everything you said :P

 

I knew you would! :P

 

I believe that EVERYTHING you do is selfish. If you decide to quit your job and give all of your money and possessions to charity, you're being selfish. Why? Because you're doing that in order to make yourself feel good. Whether you realize it or not, everything you do is an attempt to bring you closer to what you think will make you feel either happier or less unhappy.

 

As you know, I don't. I used to think that everything was selfish, but my philosophy on that changed. When you do something more for someone else and less for yourself, that is selfless. This stems from how my life has changed the last five or so years, a story I'm not going to detail very much on a RS forum. To keep it short, I have to care for my family, and without me, they'd be pretty lost. This is not on part of their inabilities, but as a whole it has to do with the attention they need on a daily basis. In short, I've become a pseudo-parental figure and bring stability despite not being the parent as a result of illness on part of a family member. Do I enjoy helping out? No. It angers me, sometimes, saddens me others, but it doesn't make me feel any warmth.

 

Not like I'm without problems, again something I'm not going to elaborate on too much here. But I have decided to take the bull by the horns and not let me fail because of uncontrollable factors. While I can't control physical or mental health, I can control how I think and what I do. I'm not abandoning my family, for example, even if it tends to be more of a burden than a source of happiness. I, unlike you, believe there is some set of absolute morality embedded in us (naturally, however; not by some spiritual means). Basically, would I want others to abandon me? No. I'd want them to help me get better. Hence, I do the same in return.

 

Therefore, I'd like to end this bit by saying selfishness has an opposite, and I make do with that everyday. Social expectations don't guilt me into doing it--instead, my belief in one absolute moral does: treat others as you wish to be treated.

 

With that said, there's a difference between being selfish (which is completely acceptable and normal, despite what society would like you to think) and being inconsiderate. However, I don't believe it is psychologically possible to be consistently happy in the long-term as a result of directly making others unhappy. Also keep in mind that just because you're being selfish does not mean you're doing society or anyone a disservice. If I were to give all my money to charity, it would be selfish, but despite being selfish, I would be helping others become happier.

Again, this revolves around the differences in our understanding of selfishness and selflessness.

 

I think a lot of people end up unhappy because they sacrifice their own personal happiness for society's happiness. A lot of people don't seem to understand that despite all of humanity's ups and downs and despite all of the "selfish" and "selfless" people in the world, humanity is still doing just fine, and it will continue to do just fine.

I disagree. We will never reach what is considered a fictional utopia if we don't understand that our actions have consequences that resound further than our lives will. What makes us happy can result in great unhappiness for millions down the line. Pollution is one example--we all pollute, and many of us do little to take that into consideration. But our selfishness in that regard will have effects that will cause immense damage later on.

 

You have no obligation to contribute society. You do, however have a massive obligation to contribute to yourself. If you can make yourself happy (without directly violating someone else's happiness), then you're a "good" person. If staying in your room all day playing video games makes you happy, you're actually doing a favor to society by being a happy, friendly person. I would much rather have a society full of happy people than people who are miserable and mean because they've chosen to sacrifice their own happiness in order to make the mythical collective a happier entity.

I disagree that you have no obligation to contribute to society. If you use any of society's benefits without returning the favor, you're, to keep it short, leeching off society. These benefits are stuff we take for granted: roads and transportation, electricity and water, medication and health care, computers and technology in general, etc. Without social contribution these things would've never happened.

 

Whenever I get on Facebook, there are always a few people getting upset over current events or social issues. Sometimes these issues affect me too. But they don’t bother me like they bother my friends. Why? Because at the end of the day, I know deep down that regardless of what life throws at me, I’m still going to be happy. I may not want what life throws at me, I may not think that life is being fair to me, but these “injustices” ultimately have no impact on my happiness. I’ve been through enough bad experiences whilst still remaining happy somehow to finally understand that even life’s harshest challenges will only make me happier in the long run as a result of learning from these experiences, rather than trying to fight and resist them.

I understand that. I know very well life isn't fair, and just like you, I don't let that affect my happiness. I've learned to accept it and move on, or make my situation better in any shape or form that I can.

 

The difference between me and my friends like that is: I depend only on myself for happiness. My friends depend on society for happiness. And as a result, I'm extremely happy, and unsurprisingly, most people that I meet love my company because I'm such a happy, loving person to them.

I don't disagree with this. Happiness brings happiness.

 

You might argue, "Well what happens if everyone was to be 'selfish' like you describe?" First of all, I don't think that's realistic or possible. There will always be enough people out there willing to sacrifice their own happiness in vain in order to keep society chugging along. But even if that were not the case and everybody started acting with their own interests in mind and ignoring society's interests, it would be irrelevant simply because a clever man makes the woes of society irrelevant to his own life and happiness.

I'm not going to argue that. Because it's never going to happen :). Despite our flaws, there are many of us (and I'm not excluding you) that work towards a better future, either personally or socially.

 

edit: To elaborate on my personal happiness, while I may feel angry or saddened at times, I am quick to snap out of this. I do not let negative emotions get the better of me.


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RS is only a waste of time if played in excess , but you may find that if you quit one game you end up on another game or other leisure activities. Having huge neverending goals makes runescape addicting and gives a feeling of accomplishment also a person can chat to friends in runescape for hours upon hours. I've been on both extremes - Runescape 12+ hours a day and Runescape barely playing. Am I happier without playing much runescape - yes. DO I feel more productive ? somewhat. Do I still waste a ton of time ? YES

 

So no if you stop playing RS 50 hours a week you will not have 50 hours a week of productive time. To have more productive time you have to be determined/scheduled/dedicated on something else that you enjoy/tolerate. But yeah a lot of the time quitting will probably still go to other leisure/relaxing activities. 

 

If Rs is feeling pointless/making someone stressed /bored/ people hate training the skill over an over again but still do it because they have this goal then replacing how much time they play Rs will be worth it.

 

If someone still likes Rs and they don't play it in complete excess (this point is different depending on life circumstances for some people 2 hours a day is too much and other people can play 11 hours and still get all their responsibilities done)


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I obviously don't know what it's like to be in your shoes but I would argue that when it comes to a situation like your family, in the long run you will be happy you did it. There's nothing wrong with choosing to be unhappy as long as it's temporary for the purpose of becoming happier in the long run.

 

In case I wasn't clear, I also want to clarify that being "selfish" (by my definition) isn't mutually exclusive with being selfless. In other words, you can be selfish and still be contributing to the lives of others.

 

I don't think society as a whole will ever reach a "utopia state," simply because we are human beings who operate primarily based on our emotions instead of rationality. And as a result, there will always exist "evil" and tragedies in the world because it is impossible for everybody to operate primarily from rationality. However it's definitely possible to reach your own personal utopia before you die.

 

You're right that basic necessities which we take for granted today wouldn't exist without contributions to society. But I would argue that the advances in these fields were a byproduct of people pursuing things selfishly AND possibly selflessly. For example, I also can't go into too much detail about this, but the #1 happiest experience of my life which I mentioned here earlier was a byproduct of me creating something larger than myself that will continue to exist long after I'm gone. As a rule of thumb, I think that sometimes in order to give, you have to be more or less completely happy yourself first in order to have something of value to give.

 

I guess a simpler way of stating my argument would be that everyone's #1 priority should be their own happiness. That doesn't mean that setting a priority like that will make you a heartless [wagon] or anything :P But if you can make yourself happy without directly making other people unhappy, then you'll find that from that point forward it is very easy and fulfilling to start being "selfless." So I guess I'd say that selfishness precedes selflessness. And once again, those two things are not mutually exclusive :P Ideally you're operating from both perspectives simultaneously.

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I obviously don't know what it's like to be in your shoes but I would argue that when it comes to a situation like your family, in the long run you will be happy you did it. There's nothing wrong with choosing to be unhappy as long as it's temporary for the purpose of becoming happier in the long run.

 

In case I wasn't clear, I also want to clarify that being "selfish" (by my definition) isn't mutually exclusive with being selfless. In other words, you can be selfish and still be contributing to the lives of others.

 

I don't think society as a whole will ever reach a "utopia state," simply because we are human beings who operate primarily based on our emotions instead of rationality. And as a result, there will always exist "evil" and tragedies in the world because it is impossible for everybody to operate primarily from rationality. However it's definitely possible to reach your own personal utopia before you die.

 

You're right that basic necessities which we take for granted today wouldn't exist without contributions to society. But I would argue that the advances in these fields were a byproduct of people pursuing things selfishly AND possibly selflessly. For example, I also can't go into too much detail about this, but the #1 happiest experience of my life which I mentioned here earlier was a byproduct of me creating something larger than myself that will continue to exist long after I'm gone. As a rule of thumb, I think that in order to give, you have to be more or less completely happy yourself first in order to have something of value to give.

 

I guess a simpler way of stating my argument would be that everyone's #1 priority should be their own happiness. That doesn't mean that setting a priority like that will make you a heartless [wagon] or anything :P But if you can make yourself happy without directly making other people unhappy, then you'll find that from that point forward it is very easy and fulfilling to start being "selfless." So I guess I'd say that selfishness precedes selflessness. And once again, those two things are not mutually exclusive :P Ideally you're operating from both perspectives simultaneously.

I don't have much to say that I mostly agree, and any differences in opinion are not worth arguing :P.

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I wouldn't count playing non-grindy content like quests a waste of time.

 

Here's the real question;

 

Would the time spent grinding a RS xp/cash/item goal be better spent on something else that might be a more overall rewarding entertainment experience than the satisfaction of completing said goal within the confines of Runescape.

 

Calc that, efficiency trolls  :P :thumbup:

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I am making this thread, as a split of from the 200M all skills thread.

 

Do you think playing Runescape is a waste of time? Why/why not? Is there different limits for everybody?

 

Discussions like this are sure to get fairly intense, but please try to be curtious or this topic will have to close. Do your best not to personally attack anybody, and if somebody does attack you, please just ignore the statement (I know its hard not to get the last word, but that just starts a crapfest) and report it.

 

I am number one pro time waste

 

Proud owner of level 120 bankstander cape.

 

Yes, just like sports, reading books, socializing... A passtime (or a bit of occupational therapy ; )


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Not really a fan of Kant. I recall he argued that one should ALWAYS obey the law 100% of the time. Even if there's a guy at your house threatening your family with a bomb and you have less than a minute to get home, he would argue that you shouldn't run a stoplight to get there.

Of course, but then you run the risk of harming someone (or more) who really has nothing to do with the situation.

 

I'd understand that you would care more about the safety of your family than the safety of total strangers in the streets, but those people have the right to safety too.

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