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Was it really EoC that ruined RuneScape?


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I played RS3 less and less immediately after EoC came out. I quit playing RS3 altogether after the new interface came out

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I played RS3 less and less immediately after EoC came out. I quit playing RS3 altogether after the new interface came out

 
Myself too.
I don't see why they can't simply stretch the game-part of the interface and leave the old-style stretched on the side with blank spaces.
 


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You actually can do that with NIS. Some of the more efficiency-minded players recommend it. 

 

It's also the point of the resizable screen setting, which we've had since 2008, so... OSRS problem?



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Concidering 80% of the pole wanted legacy. I would say EoC contributed heavily to people abandoning the game. You would be an idiot to try and make out that it didn't.

 

Sure we all want RS to go on more. To see it isnt ruined. But not taking into account of f--- ups. That would be insanely dumb of Jagex. Legacy is their halfway mark so far.

 

Whilst not ruined for some... it was ruined for the majority. They had a choice to A, build on the old system. Less players leave. Carefully crafted. Or B, rip it all up, make a new system that alot of people turned out not to like. Because of development time and ignorance they choose B.

 

So not ruined, just very damaged. EoC fans would need another disaster to turn them away.

 

What EoC fans also forget is that these players simply DID NOT LIKE EOC. They had every right to be angry. I find theres a huuugeeee lack of respect for that. Not agreement on opinions but respect.

 

Jagex are struggling to get a healthy good vision for the game, I think theres huge problems with how the company is running. I don't think they are very efficient or well organised. Even their recent polls have been a bunch of crap. They say its for the future and they ask petty things. The need to ask and break down and define what players want out of RuneScape, what they enjoy in RuneScape. Instead they are asking which NPC to talk to.



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You actually can do that with NIS. Some of the more efficiency-minded players recommend it. 

 

You can? :o

How do you do it?

 

I meant keep the old static layout/tabs.



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Well, I don't like that Jagex butchered Demon Slayer quest, do I deserve respect now from the common populace?

 

The game was in dire need of a change in direction. They took a risk, they did it bad, but now with Revolution, I don't think anyone really has to complain.

I really don't get what non-EOCers are still mad about: just put on Revolution, Momentum, or just leave it at manual.

Same for the NIS: I was a huge complainer because I couldn't get a pre-NIS setup exactly as I wanted. I adapted. Boohoo. Game was totally ruined because I now have a better way to distribute my task bars ingame.



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I really don't get what non-EOCers are still mad about: just put on Revolution, Momentum, or just leave it at manual.

Most are probably PVP-minded folks who have lost hybridding as it used to be. You can't play with similar strategies comparable to pre-EOC at all, even with Momentum, given how stat distributions on armour as well as familiar mechanics have changed (e.g. no accuracy bonuses on magic robes, can't cast spells at all without a magic weapon).

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Given the nature of the PVPcommunity: I'm glad they are mostly gone now.



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An attitude like that honestly isn't any better, but okay.

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You can? :o

How do you do it?

 

I meant keep the old static layout/tabs.

I was assuming you meant something like this, which kind of has a similar effect. A few tweaks could get that close to what you seem to want.



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Concidering 80% of the pole wanted legacy. I would say EoC contributed heavily to people abandoning the game. You would be an idiot to try and make out that it didn't.

 

Sure we all want RS to go on more. To see it isnt ruined. But not taking into account of f--- ups. That would be insanely dumb of Jagex. Legacy is their halfway mark so far.

 

Whilst not ruined for some... it was ruined for the majority. They had a choice to A, build on the old system. Less players leave. Carefully crafted. Or B, rip it all up, make a new system that alot of people turned out not to like. Because of development time and ignorance they choose B.

 

So not ruined, just very damaged. EoC fans would need another disaster to turn them away.

 

What EoC fans also forget is that these players simply DID NOT LIKE EOC. They had every right to be angry. I find theres a huuugeeee lack of respect for that. Not agreement on opinions but respect.

 

Jagex are struggling to get a healthy good vision for the game, I think theres huge problems with how the company is running. I don't think they are very efficient or well organised. Even their recent polls have been a bunch of crap. They say its for the future and they ask petty things. The need to ask and break down and define what players want out of RuneScape, what they enjoy in RuneScape. Instead they are asking which NPC to talk to.

 

Assuming because 80% wanted legacy, at a time before any of the good eoc fixes of this year had arrived, means 80% dislike eoc is a logical fallacy - the two are not directly correlated. 

Also considering the actual player totals did not fall by in excess of 50% since eoc launched, it is equally a fallacy to claim eoc ruined it for the majority as it is not a proven fact.


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Given the nature of the PVPcommunity: I'm glad they are mostly gone now.

Given the nature of the effiency crowd, i'm glad how Jagex made it all much too easy now.

 

Really? After a long day you don't love to unwind with a few other people? Shame man, minigames and free for all is so much fun. 


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120k people online + 30k bots

- 30k bots = 90k people online

EoC hits = 10k people quit

OSRS = 20k go to OSRS

 

60k + 20k = 80k players +10k quitters + 30k bots = 120k people

 

There you go, mystery solved.


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You can? ohmy.gif

How do you do it?

 

I meant keep the old static layout/tabs.

I was assuming you meant something like this, which kind of has a similar effect. A few tweaks could get that close to what you seem to want.

Perhaps Alg, @Dan3HitU is possibly looking more for this one on the same page (http://forum.tip.it/topic/163183-post-all-rs-screenshots-videos-and-sounds-here/page-4107#entry5470125) from Miss Lioness???  It has a lot less in its' design for someone to have to handle all at the same time, and seems more reminiscent of the older RS2HD-style and previous stuff. huh.gif

 

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I played RS3 less and less immediately after EoC came out. I quit playing RS3 altogether after the new interface came out

 
Myself too.
I don't see why they can't simply stretch the game-part of the interface and leave the old-style stretched on the side with blank spaces.
 


Just saying, it's not as easy as you're making it out to be.
 
 

Concidering 80% of the pole wanted legacy. I would say EoC contributed heavily to people abandoning the game.

The people who voted for legacy != 100% of the people who quit because of EoC.

If the poll was for completely replacing EoC with Legacy mode, the results would have been much more different, mind you.

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Concidering 80% of the pole wanted legacy. I would say EoC contributed heavily to people abandoning the game.

The people who voted for legacy != 100% of the people who quit because of EoC.

If the poll was for completely replacing EoC with Legacy mode, the results would have been much more different, mind you.

 

 

 

Completely agree. Voted for legacy because I didn't see the harm in it and many people would enjoy having it. I however like EOC and have no intention of really using legacy. Saying 80% voted for it is not the same as 80% wanted to use it and definitely isn't the same as 80% think EOC ruined the game.


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Concidering 80% of the pole wanted legacy. I would say EoC contributed heavily to people abandoning the game.

The people who voted for legacy != 100% of the people who quit because of EoC.

If the poll was for completely replacing EoC with Legacy mode, the results would have been much more different, mind you.

 

 

 

Completely agree. Voted for legacy because I didn't see the harm in it and many people would enjoy having it. I however like EOC and have no intention of really using legacy. Saying 80% voted for it is not the same as 80% wanted to use it and definitely isn't the same as 80% think EOC ruined the game.

 

The harm in it is that Jagex can barely balance one combat mode (EoC) and now they have to balance EoC with Legacy. If they can't balance one what makes people think they can balance two with each other?

 

Not to mention the wasted Dev time for Nostalgiascape instead of working on fixing the issues with EoC...


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120k people online + 30k bots

- 30k bots = 90k people online

EoC hits = 10k people quit

OSRS = 20k go to OSRS

 

60k + 20k = 80k players +10k quitters + 30k bots = 120k people

 

There you go, mystery solved.

 

It's not quite that simple. All the data reveals, when I last looked at it, a MASSIVE reduction in the amount of players online, active accounts, traffic to the site, google hits. It was a lot more serious than just 10K quitters, and those who went to OSRS.



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Concidering 80% of the pole wanted legacy. I would say EoC contributed heavily to people abandoning the game.

The people who voted for legacy != 100% of the people who quit because of EoC.

If the poll was for completely replacing EoC with Legacy mode, the results would have been much more different, mind you.

 
 
Completely agree. Voted for legacy because I didn't see the harm in it and many people would enjoy having it. I however like EOC and have no intention of really using legacy. Saying 80% voted for it is not the same as 80% wanted to use it and definitely isn't the same as 80% think EOC ruined the game.

The harm in it is that Jagex can barely balance one combat mode (EoC) and now they have to balance EoC with Legacy. If they can't balance one what makes people think they can balance two with each other?
 
Not to mention the wasted Dev time for Nostalgiascape instead of working on fixing the issues with EoC...


Literally all they would have to do is make momentum use no abilities, hide the action bar and buff Momentum's damage.

They don't need to do any more balancing than that. Add some graphics such as the pre-NIS interface and the old hitsplats, but that's it.

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^I do so wish they would stop pretending legacy is anything more than original momentum buffed up to what it should've been (comparable to full manual, but still not quite as good) with a nice shiny reskin to make it look like pre-NIS and hide ability bar.

 

After all all the other 'features' are nothing to do with legacy and are just general fixes to eoc (combat formula, poison tweaks, specials, changes to armour stats etc)


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