Tansuo Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 So basically we're going to decide which God will be next to return through the portal. Saradomin's already back, Zaros isn't represented by an NPC so I doubt he's an option, so it'll either be Bandos or Zamorak. You'd presume that if Zaros was to be one of these to return, Azzanadra (sp?) would be at the forefront of any attempt.Aren't black knights Zamorakian? Would be good to see him return and stick it to Saradomin. | | | A Blog to Bathtubs for BeginnersQuest Cape | 99 Defence Achieved 11-Jul-2011 17:41 | 99 Prayer 11-Jul-2012 | 99 Constitution 02-Aug-201299 Attack 31/10/2012 | 99 Dungeoneering 31/10/2012 | 99 Strength 31/10/2012 | 99 Magic 2/12/201299 Range 16/12/2012 | 99 Herblore 25/12/2012 | 99 Summoning 4/1/2013 | 99 Firemaking 6/3/201399 Farming 10/4/2013 | 99 Slayer 11/7/2013 | 99 Fletching 21/8/2013 | 99 Smithing 22/8/2013 99 Crafting 19/12/2013 | 99 Cooking 15/1/2014 | 99 Agility 25/1/2014 | 99 Thieving 01/02/201499 Construction 21/04/2014 | 99 Woodcutting 04/03/2014 | 99 Fishing 17/04/2014 | 99 Mining 23/07/201599 Divination 27/07/2015 | 99 Runecrafting 20/08/2015 | 99 Hunter 20/08/2015 | Maxed 20/08/2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Can't be Zamorak recent lore 100% confirms he is 'just outside' Gielinor via the rift at the bottom of Daemonheim. As portals go I'd say it seems rather Sliskian - Black for the shadow realm, edge has some purple flares as Shadow realm relates to Zaros, as does Sliske. Edges also flare green, Sliske stole Guthixian pwoer. But equally as it is a prelude to the Battle for Lumbridge, Bandos makes an obvious choice as a god directly desiring battle and war. Or it could just be a generic godly power leak, like Divination is based off, due to Saradomin being about and Guthic power leaking and Tumeken and Seren power possible emerging as they reawaken a bit. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tansuo Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Can't be Zamorak recent lore 100% confirms he is 'just outside' Gielinor via the rift at the bottom of Daemonheim. Dungeoneering finale, go! 2 | | | A Blog to Bathtubs for BeginnersQuest Cape | 99 Defence Achieved 11-Jul-2011 17:41 | 99 Prayer 11-Jul-2012 | 99 Constitution 02-Aug-201299 Attack 31/10/2012 | 99 Dungeoneering 31/10/2012 | 99 Strength 31/10/2012 | 99 Magic 2/12/201299 Range 16/12/2012 | 99 Herblore 25/12/2012 | 99 Summoning 4/1/2013 | 99 Firemaking 6/3/201399 Farming 10/4/2013 | 99 Slayer 11/7/2013 | 99 Fletching 21/8/2013 | 99 Smithing 22/8/2013 99 Crafting 19/12/2013 | 99 Cooking 15/1/2014 | 99 Agility 25/1/2014 | 99 Thieving 01/02/201499 Construction 21/04/2014 | 99 Woodcutting 04/03/2014 | 99 Fishing 17/04/2014 | 99 Mining 23/07/201599 Divination 27/07/2015 | 99 Runecrafting 20/08/2015 | 99 Hunter 20/08/2015 | Maxed 20/08/2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Arcane Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 The portal belongs to Zamorak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaz Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 The more we learn about how 'effective' the edicts were the more I doubt Guthix. His edicts that 'banished' gods from the world:Zaros already left to save his spirit and managed to directly commune prior to guthix's demise.Zamorak wandered down to Daemonheim and secluded himself just outside the world - seems like he had time to do this rather than an immediate booting out.Armadyl had already left at the sorrow of his aviansies being dead.Seren chose to explode herself instead of leaveTumeken went to sleep rather than leaving.Demi-gods and 'Factions of gods' were never blocked at all.So basically he kicked out Sara and Bandos and that's about it. Everyone else left on their own or just stayed put.The Edicts were more of a "don't mess with stuff" than a "go away." There was an alarm system built in. If gods returned and tipped the balance, then the Guardians were to reawaken Guthix who would "erase" Gielinor. Although tbh it seems they've done away with the whole punishment for violating the Edicts. I can't believe someone that planned to wiped the world clear if gods interfered would let himself die, knowing it would cause gods to return. Let's all be honest. Jagex wanted to get rid of the Edicts as soon as they could. They were preventing prime content. :razz: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 The more we learn about how 'effective' the edicts were the more I doubt Guthix. His edicts that 'banished' gods from the world:Zaros already left to save his spirit and managed to directly commune prior to guthix's demise.Zamorak wandered down to Daemonheim and secluded himself just outside the world - seems like he had time to do this rather than an immediate booting out.Armadyl had already left at the sorrow of his aviansies being dead.Seren chose to explode herself instead of leaveTumeken went to sleep rather than leaving.Demi-gods and 'Factions of gods' were never blocked at all.So basically he kicked out Sara and Bandos and that's about it. Everyone else left on their own or just stayed put.The Edicts were more of a "don't mess with stuff" than a "go away." There was an alarm system built in. If gods returned and tipped the balance, then the Guardians were to reawaken Guthix who would "erase" Gielinor. Although tbh it seems they've done away with the whole punishment for violating the Edicts. I can't believe someone that planned to wiped the world clear if gods interfered would let himself die, knowing it would cause gods to return. Let's all be honest. Jagex wanted to get rid of the Edicts as soon as they could. They were preventing prime content. :razz: Erm....No. From all the lore we have the Edicts were two things:1) An active banishment of the gods2) A barrier that forcefully kept them out. The concept of an alarm system, guardians set to reawaken guthix and guthix erasing the world are all things you have made up. We don't even know if Guthix CAN erase the world since Elder Gods made it and they far exceed him. The Alarm system seen in TWW is an alarm on his resting place, nothing to do with the edicts. Also the idea the Guardians would awaken him seem stretched in that even in the heat of battle in TWW they were doing everything they could to STOP him being woken. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wkw Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 As portals go I'd say it seems rather Sliskian - Black for the shadow realm, edge has some purple flares as Shadow realm relates to Zaros, as does Sliske. Edges also flare green, Sliske stole Guthixian pwoer. Nothing shows that Sliske stole Guthix's power, like Zamorak stole Zaro's Zamorak and Zaros were both physically connected to the staff. Sliske just shot Guthix with its power. 1 Runescape player since 2005 Ego Sum Deus Quo Malum Caligo et Barathum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradomin_Mage Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 So freaking slow, but it just occurred to me that the banner art is of the black portal -.- 1 In real life MMO you don't get 99 smithing by making endless bronze daggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 As portals go I'd say it seems rather Sliskian - Black for the shadow realm, edge has some purple flares as Shadow realm relates to Zaros, as does Sliske. Edges also flare green, Sliske stole Guthixian pwoer. Nothing shows that Sliske stole Guthix's power, like Zamorak stole Zaro's Zamorak and Zaros were both physically connected to the staff. Sliske just shot Guthix with its power. True but I was going for the simplistic quick explanation, there is a Guthix:Sliske link that would explain the green, whether or not he stole power is up in the air and could go either way. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylpheed Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I doubt the colour of the portal is an indication of anything. Like I said before, the result of the battle will most likely decide what comes out of the portal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Zamorak and Zaros were both physically connected to the staff. Sliske just shot Guthix with its power. And Guthix only stabbed Tuska Skagaroth (E: Derrrrrrp thanks helring), he wasn't impaled upon it with him. The Elder Weapon seems just to be the conduit for siphoning power. We've got confirmation that he wasn't a god after TWW through a Q&A but that doesn't mean he couldn't have siphoned a bit of power briefly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wkw Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Zamorak and Zaros were both physically connected to the staff. Sliske just shot Guthix with its power. And Guthix only stabbed Tuska, he wasn't impaled upon it with him. The Elder Weapon seems just to be the conduit for siphoning power. We've got confirmation that he wasn't a god after TWW through a Q&A but that doesn't mean he couldn't have siphoned a bit of power briefly.Ah.. That is right. Runescape player since 2005 Ego Sum Deus Quo Malum Caligo et Barathum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urza285 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Honestly I think we have two outcomes: 1) This becoming the reemergence of Zamorak into the surface. This would be a somewhat flop to the dungeoneering finale. I would have suspected to see something like zamorakian forces spewing out of daemonhiem. Or... 2) Sliske returning from a jaunt to other planes if existence. This event would tie in nicely with what other gods have typically done after ascension. Bandos is still an option, but just not at all ideal. I mean seeing him rip through the portal and all those goblins in the area rushing to him and climbing into him would be cool... But it just doesn't seem like it would be him. Maxed [February 14, 2012] | Completionist [October 25, 2012] | Trimmed Completionist [in Progress]Visit my Blog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archangelx Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 I doubt it would be Sliske; he doesn't seem like the flashy, grand entrance kind of guy - so having a massive portal for him to come back through, seems ill fiting. Unless, he's bringing with him a massive army or something (but again, he likes to do his own thing and work in the shadows). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helring Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Zamorak and Zaros were both physically connected to the staff. Sliske just shot Guthix with its power. And Guthix only stabbed Tuska, he wasn't impaled upon it with him. The Elder Weapon seems just to be the conduit for siphoning power. We've got confirmation that he wasn't a god after TWW through a Q&A but that doesn't mean he couldn't have siphoned a bit of power briefly. Guthix blinded Tuska, but he got his powers from killing Skargaroth. Your point remains because he wasn't impaled then either, just clearing up some facts. 1 R.I.P. The olde nite. A legend is gone but not forgotten. a Faction Related Item Sink for Rune Labs. https://[LikelyScam]/m=player-proposal/a=13/c=VcG-Ir5Ijno/view-idea?idea=19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blutters Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 The more we learn about how 'effective' the edicts were the more I doubt Guthix. His edicts that 'banished' gods from the world:Zaros already left to save his spirit and managed to directly commune prior to guthix's demise.Zamorak wandered down to Daemonheim and secluded himself just outside the world - seems like he had time to do this rather than an immediate booting out.Armadyl had already left at the sorrow of his aviansies being dead.Seren chose to explode herself instead of leaveTumeken went to sleep rather than leaving.Demi-gods and 'Factions of gods' were never blocked at all.So basically he kicked out Sara and Bandos and that's about it. Everyone else left on their own or just stayed put.The Edicts were more of a "don't mess with stuff" than a "go away." There was an alarm system built in. If gods returned and tipped the balance, then the Guardians were to reawaken Guthix who would "erase" Gielinor. Although tbh it seems they've done away with the whole punishment for violating the Edicts. I can't believe someone that planned to wiped the world clear if gods interfered would let himself die, knowing it would cause gods to return. Let's all be honest. Jagex wanted to get rid of the Edicts as soon as they could. They were preventing prime content. :razz: Erm....No. From all the lore we have the Edicts were two things:1) An active banishment of the gods2) A barrier that forcefully kept them out. The concept of an alarm system, guardians set to reawaken guthix and guthix erasing the world are all things you have made up. We don't even know if Guthix CAN erase the world since Elder Gods made it and they far exceed him. The Alarm system seen in TWW is an alarm on his resting place, nothing to do with the edicts. Also the idea the Guardians would awaken him seem stretched in that even in the heat of battle in TWW they were doing everything they could to STOP him being woken. I got the feeling that that giant ass "Sword of Edicts" right in the center of the Wilderness was part of the "barrier" barring the gods from returning, but seeing how they didn't seem to mention its importance in TWW and how Saradomin came back anyway I'm beginning to doubt it. Err, another point. Is the Sword of Edicts an elder artifact? And if it is, it seems to be rather ripe for the taking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 It might be one, but that shattered sword we saw on the dolmen that we couldn't touch was one. Still REALLY pisses me off that we couldn't take it, nor could we go back to it. Oh yeah there's about to be a gigantic war soon let's just leave the materials of a powerful Elder Artifact there for anyone to take. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOpH4R6SkNA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urza285 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Time for more speculation ladies and gentlemen... RS3 and the battle for lumbridge new announcement was released july 3. Vorago was shortly released on the 9th... I can't remember exactly when the portal was released, but so far the location has undergone two changes: once in the creation of the portal prior to being a gathering of rocks into the port and again to a slightly larger portal. I think we might see another phase in the portals growth before whoever finally comes through. When I'm not entirely sure. I suspect the stones were introduced the 3rd and changed sometime that night adding the portal and some adventurers. Then on the 11th the portal grew and more adventurers joined the crowd. I am suspecting that we might see another change occurring sometime before the rs3 release. I am speculating a change every 3 weeks roughly... Maxed [February 14, 2012] | Completionist [October 25, 2012] | Trimmed Completionist [in Progress]Visit my Blog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaz Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 The more we learn about how 'effective' the edicts were the more I doubt Guthix. His edicts that 'banished' gods from the world:Zaros already left to save his spirit and managed to directly commune prior to guthix's demise.Zamorak wandered down to Daemonheim and secluded himself just outside the world - seems like he had time to do this rather than an immediate booting out.Armadyl had already left at the sorrow of his aviansies being dead.Seren chose to explode herself instead of leaveTumeken went to sleep rather than leaving.Demi-gods and 'Factions of gods' were never blocked at all.So basically he kicked out Sara and Bandos and that's about it. Everyone else left on their own or just stayed put.The Edicts were more of a "don't mess with stuff" than a "go away." There was an alarm system built in. If gods returned and tipped the balance, then the Guardians were to reawaken Guthix who would "erase" Gielinor. Although tbh it seems they've done away with the whole punishment for violating the Edicts. I can't believe someone that planned to wiped the world clear if gods interfered would let himself die, knowing it would cause gods to return. Let's all be honest. Jagex wanted to get rid of the Edicts as soon as they could. They were preventing prime content. :razz: Erm....No. From all the lore we have the Edicts were two things:1) An active banishment of the gods2) A barrier that forcefully kept them out. The concept of an alarm system, guardians set to reawaken guthix and guthix erasing the world are all things you have made up. We don't even know if Guthix CAN erase the world since Elder Gods made it and they far exceed him. The Alarm system seen in TWW is an alarm on his resting place, nothing to do with the edicts. Also the idea the Guardians would awaken him seem stretched in that even in the heat of battle in TWW they were doing everything they could to STOP him being woken. http://runescape.wik...dicts_of_Guthix You find me a confirmed source that proves what that article says, then I'll understandable accept that I was wrong. Until then, I have no reason to discredit the article based on my 5+ years of questing and lore interests. The Edicts were always initially perceived as a barrier - but it's also possible it was a threat. And yes, Guthix could have erased Gielinor. He had the sword and the Stone of Jas at his disposal. That changed when the SoJ was stolen, but it was still available to Guthix when he went to sleep. The Guardians knew where Guthix was resting, and they could wake him up if the situation became so dire that the only option available was for Guthix to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Great work citing a largely unsourced article as proof you your statements. I believe what you speak of was previous mentioned in the god letters, in terms of Guthix destroying the world anyway; however the old god letters are not to be taken as reliable sources of lore, because they have been almost entirely retconned and Guthix being so violent certainly does not remotely fit with how he has been presented in more recent lore and, as I previously said, the idea of him destroying the world seems beyond his power on the basis of the elder gods etc. (Where as the god letters from which the destruction thing originally arises is from a time when there was only 3 gods, all brothers who made the world together.) I am unaware of any source at all stating that specific Guthixians would awaken Guthix and that article does not even mention the alarm you spoke of. The lore we have implies such action would be entirely unneccesaary - Guthix awoke from his first slumber due to his innate connection to the Anima Mundi which was disturbed by the GWD, especially Forinthry being decimated. What we do have in solid lore is that the Edicts banished the gods (shown in origins of gielinor video) and acted as a shield to keep them out (shown in origins of gielinor nd reconfirmed in the 'story so far' bts video & referred to in several quests/books/lore things in terms of gods trying to get around them and the edicts falling, such as TWW in particular). It is also worth noting in terms of quests in RS lore source reliability does factor in eg the Darkness of Hallowvale werewolves crossing, starting a war would break the edicts thing is an interpretation made by specific humans hundreds of years after Guthix left, so may be mistaken in of itself. Where as what we are told in bts videos and in TWW is from the original source and/or an omnipotent source. Origins of Gielinor - Story so far bts - 3 Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Can't we just blame it on retcons and changes in the writing staff and be done with it? I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jayc3399 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGdkzqNoQoo Loregasm's inc Quest Cape Achieved on November 14, 2007Items AcquiredCrystal Pick and HatchetBerzerker Ring x 33/28 Barrows Items Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Saw two things in the video that were quite confusing: 1) "We're pushing into a new technological age." Mentions steam engines and thermal-powered things from the dwarves, electricity from the cave goblins. The gnome's engineering using is another example of technological marvels that aren't commonplace in RS right now. "And we're spreading that technological age using the two new skills, one of them being divination!" Wait what. But the technology is already there without having to "divine" for it. That doesn't make sense. I hope to see that cleared up later on and sincerely hope it's not something that will just be left dangling. 2) "Opens up for all new possibilities like going to the home of the vampyres/demons/icyene" Except we were told that going to faraway places wouldn't be likely. It was literally the whole reason why we hadn't got a new continent yet. And this was quite recently repeated in one of the last Q&A sessions. So why would they tease that if it wasn't possible? Or are we going to have another Yubusik (sp?) that no one returns to except for an obscure comp cape requirement? Or will these simply take precedence over the long-awaited eastern lands? It will be interesting to see how that plays out. Kind of frustrating being left with so many questions like that so late in the year! I loved the video though and I'm still excited for what's to come, don't get me wrong. I just hope I don't have to wait another 5 years for it all to come to a head :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Saw two things in the video that were quite confusing: 1) "We're pushing into a new technological age." Mentions steam engines and thermal-powered things from the dwarves, electricity from the cave goblins. The gnome's engineering using is another example of technological marvels that aren't commonplace in RS right now. "And we're spreading that technological age using the two new skills, one of them being divination!" Wait what. But the technology is already there without having to "divine" for it. That doesn't make sense. I hope to see that cleared up later on and sincerely hope it's not something that will just be left dangling. 2) "Opens up for all new possibilities like going to the home of the vampyres/demons/icyene" Except we were told that going to faraway places wouldn't be likely. It was literally the whole reason why we hadn't got a new continent yet. And this was quite recently repeated in one of the last Q&A sessions. So why would they tease that if it wasn't possible? Or are we going to have another Yubusik (sp?) that no one returns to except for an obscure comp cape requirement? Or will these simply take precedence over the long-awaited eastern lands? It will be interesting to see how that plays out. Kind of frustrating being left with so many questions like that so late in the year! I loved the video though and I'm still excited for what's to come, don't get me wrong. I just hope I don't have to wait another 5 years for it all to come to a head :3 1) The technologies the dwarves, gnomes and cave goblins use are not common place - most of the world is still man-powered torch-lit areas. This implies technology is going to become more widespread and that there is some new breed of technology derived from the godly energies we collect via diving. 2) We have been told we wouldn't be getting a new large area until current continent is done, however visiting other worlds can easily use small closed off areas eg gorak plane, cosmic plane, lost city etc. Also they didn't say we would be doing it anytime soon, just that it opens up the possibilities. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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