High Level Players Comp - Statement of Intent

[Miss Lioness]

The profound req doesn't make as much sense as the original professional cape req.

 

My opinion: Professional cape req was sensible, because it was the final cape unlock you could get at CW.

However, making the professional cape require 5k games (back in 2010?) was pretty insane.

 

And the only reason the CW requirement was chucked in was because of Omustardo (Castle Wars). I could try and dig up the original thread if it still exists.

[Bxpprod]

Yes yes CWars was the model of a completionist account, well known blah blah - this doesn't take away from the fact that the original requirement for the (cwars) cape, and the requirement for the trim comp are both  ridiculous.

[Wkw]

Change it to something like.. 250 or 500 wins

 

But I think that having a full set of hybrid armor, or all three sets of hybrid armor would make more sense. Requiring someone to have 100+ wins on all minigames rather than 6 months of camping in one is more completionlist

[Miss Lioness]

I managed to find the specific post:

 

 

Note at the bottom he hints at something specially made for Castle Wars.

[SwreeTak]

I managed to find the specific post:

 

 

Note at the bottom he hints at something specially made for Castle Wars.

 

Now, where is this Castle Wars player? *Readies talons*

[Blofeld]

It's interesting because this is the first time to my memory they have admitted the castle wars req was a mistake, i really wish they would change it, but alas.

 

I think its toxicity to the castle was minigame itself i only one of the reasons it has had a negative effect. I think there are a lot of people that would otherwise have gone for trim and done the other reqs, but see it as so unachievable to get the C Wars req that that they don't. If content deliberately puts you off other content that is definitely not a good thing.   I also wonder how many players have become so disheartened whilst getting the C Wars req that they have quit altogether?    If something is so obviously broken then it should be fixed, or at least have been reduced far more when profound was released

 

it seems however that whenever any reasonable debate is had on the HLF, those against change simply have to say 'yeah,but it makes it more prestigious'. and it's seen as an end argument statement that means any discussion is ignored.

 

I remember the old joke that Andrew Gower programmed firemaking in an afternoon, yet so many people have wasted so much time doing it. Well I legitimately hope that Mod Chis L feels genuinely bad and remorseful for the amount of time he has made so many people waste and get anxiety over, because it was a horrendous decision to make.

[Saradomin_Mage]

I remember the old joke that Andrew Gower programmed firmaking in an afternoon, yet so many people have wasted so much time doing it.

Hah, reminds me of this

 

[essiw]

 

I remember the old joke that Andrew Gower programmed firmaking in an afternoon, yet so many people have wasted so much time doing it.

Hah, reminds me of this

 

 

Cookie clicker right? Wish he had continued with updating it... (and keeping his "promises") could have turned out great.

[Youmu]

If only the CWars req didn't take such a long time... it takes way too long, even when boosted.

 

If it's changed to "obtain all 3 sets of hybrid armor", it would not only give me a reason to play CWars, but also reduce the amount of time spent there (assuming I don't go on an unlucky streak), AND revive 4 other dead minigames for the purpose of trim.

 

5k CW has already been cut in less than half. It wouldn't hurt to cut the req again!

[HunterDexter]

Yeah, CW is the only thing preventing me from trimming and I do think full hybrid should be a req.

I've gotten it quite some time ago when the hybrid sets were released, they are lovely and make much more sense than mindnumbingly play a certain minigame for a few months, without any joy.

[Golvellius]

 

I managed to find the specific post:

 

 

Note at the bottom he hints at something specially made for Castle Wars.

 

Now, where is this Castle Wars player? *Readies talons*

 

 

He (Castle Wars) went to college.

He had a youtube channel.

I don't know if he still plays RS... he probably has a life now.

Why develop more content for one person?

Is he the only person sending them money?

[essiw]

^I personally don't think they put it in specially for him, they just saw what Castle Wars already had achieved and made a comment about that. I doubt they only put the 5000 tickets in there for Castle Wars.

[HunterDexter]

Well, at that time, he was the only one with that amount of games, so technically...

[Miss Lioness]

^I personally don't think they put it in specially for him, they just saw what Castle Wars already had achieved and made a comment about that. I doubt they only put the 5000 tickets in there for Castle Wars.

 

They did put it in for him. If you read the last line, you can notice that there was an intent to release something along the requirement specially to please Omustardo (Castle Wars). Albeit it is not said directly it is the Castle Wars requirement (5k games at the time), it is pretty much a fact that it was that requirement due to him being the only one that has achieved this requirement at the time of release, along with the whole list of trimmed requirement that also was released. In other words, he was the only person who could wear the trimmed cape on release day.

[essiw]

^You cannot be sure that they wouldn't have added that req if he didn't have those 5k points. I agree that it looks like they did it because of him, but the mods could also have thought that they wanted everything in it that requires completion.

[Sy_Accursed]

You could argue that, but it'd be farcical to do considering the open ended nature of cwars rendering it uncompletable coupled with numerous other much more hard and fast if you have done y you have finished x things that didn't go on the cape and the fact that no other minigame was anywhere near the cape reqs.

 

Slap on all the wink wink nudge nudge we've got something special for that 'Castle wars' guy whos 'famous' for being the only guy to actually have the castlewars professional cape and you reach a point beyond all reasonable doubt that they made that req because of him.

[Artemis1330]

I intend to never get involved in this mess and never comp.

[Yoko Kurama]

So are Clan Titles no longer Comp Req?

[Golvellius]

 

^I personally don't think they put it in specially for him, they just saw what Castle Wars already had achieved and made a comment about that. I doubt they only put the 5000 tickets in there for Castle Wars.

 

They did put it in for him. If you read the last line, you can notice that there was an intent to release something along the requirement specially to please Omustardo (Castle Wars). Albeit it is not said directly it is the Castle Wars requirement (5k games at the time), it is pretty much a fact that it was that requirement due to him being the only one that has achieved this requirement at the time of release, along with the whole list of trimmed requirement that also was released. In other words, he was the only person who could wear the trimmed cape on release day.

 

 

He wasn't the only one with 5k games played at the cape launch

If you remember they awarded 1 game played per ticket.

There were alot of other people with 5k games played just they didn't do everything like him.

You know, the BS like livid farm, or all the collect the lore crap.

Also, alot of people got shafted.

Hell I have 6k tickets and only like 1200 games played because I stored the tickets as armor sets in the POH.

But, you know Mod Timothy aka [wagon] can't be bothered to try and do things right.

But, hey keep ignoring me and cheating me out of castle wars vet cape.

I'm sure in May when my ten year anniversary is up they probably screw me out of that cape too...

[Blofeld]

 

 

So are Clan Titles no longer Comp Req?

 

 

My interpretation is they admit that they were wrong and should have been trimmed requirements all along, but it's too late to change it now so they're not going to.

[Miss Lioness]

 

 

^I personally don't think they put it in specially for him, they just saw what Castle Wars already had achieved and made a comment about that. I doubt they only put the 5000 tickets in there for Castle Wars.

 

They did put it in for him. If you read the last line, you can notice that there was an intent to release something along the requirement specially to please Omustardo (Castle Wars). Albeit it is not said directly it is the Castle Wars requirement (5k games at the time), it is pretty much a fact that it was that requirement due to him being the only one that has achieved this requirement at the time of release, along with the whole list of trimmed requirement that also was released. In other words, he was the only person who could wear the trimmed cape on release day.

 

 

He wasn't the only one with 5k games played at the cape launch

If you remember they awarded 1 game played per ticket.

There were alot of other people with 5k games played just they didn't do everything like him.

You know, the BS like livid farm, or all the collect the lore crap.

Also, alot of people got shafted.

Hell I have 6k tickets and only like 1200 games played because I stored the tickets as armor sets in the POH.

But, you know Mod Timothy aka [wagon] can't be bothered to try and do things right.

But, hey keep ignoring me and cheating me out of castle wars vet cape.

I'm sure in May when my ten year anniversary is up they probably screw me out of that cape too...

 

 

As I said, he was the only one who had done all requirements at the launch of the Trimmed Completionist Cape. He was the only one to have completed every single requirement the Trimmed Completionist Cape offered. Nothing else implied.

 

 

^You cannot be sure that they wouldn't have added that req if he didn't have those 5k points. I agree that it looks like they did it because of him, but the mods could also have thought that they wanted everything in it that requires completion.

 

Why then leave out soo many other perfectly similar requirements?

[Bxpprod]

^I personally don't think they put it in specially for him, they just saw what Castle Wars already had achieved and made a comment about that. I doubt they only put the 5000 tickets in there for Castle Wars.

He was a model for a completionist, not really necessarily just there for him. Anyone arguing it was for him is a bit silly. 

[Yoko Kurama]

Basically they screwed this whole thing by taking way too long to respond to this. They came up with a lot of clearly controversial requirements (such as those stupid Clan titles, and 200 moss), then waited a whole week while everyone frantically worked on them, then were like "maybe we will reconsider them in a few months". Then they were like, we were completely wrong and we may even consider getting rid of them. Meanwhile, thousands of people had already done those stupid requirements. Now think of it from their perspective. After they have completed those requirements, are these people going to be in favour of getting rid of these requirements that they just agonizingly finished? Of course not. It's the same thing with the Trim Castle Wars things. It was always a completely asinine and idiotic requirement that should have never existed. But now that dozens of people have actually gotten it, they are never going to be in favour of getting rid of that requirement after they just did it. So yeah, can't really retroactively fix this stuff. All they can do is not be this stupid in the future.

[Miss Lioness]

Basically they screwed this whole thing by taking way too long to respond to this. They came up with a lot of clearly controversial requirements (such as those stupid Clan titles, and 200 moss), then waited a whole week while everyone frantically worked on them, then were like "maybe we will reconsider them in a few months". Then they were like, we were completely wrong and we may even consider getting rid of them.

It didn't really fall out of nowhere if you have been watching the Completionist scene. People were already increasingly annoyed by the sudden change of what could've been expected as a completionist requirement and it caught many by surprise that requirements, previously thought, were maybe trimmed if a requirement at all, instated as a normal completionist requirement. Many were even proposing to tuck some of these requirement, for example the Cadarn title one, into things like tasks.

 

Also, they didn't changed their mind on themselves as there was an outrage from a whole range of media and even on their own forums as well.

 

Meanwhile, thousands of people had already done those stupid requirements.

Overreacted with, perhaps a few hundred at best. Smaller if you look only at those with Completionist at the time.

 

Now think of it from their perspective. After they have completed those requirements, are these people going to be in favour of getting rid of these requirements that they just agonizingly finished? Of course not.

I myself have finished it, and if I speak for myself I am happy to see it go from at least the normal Completionist requirements. And I can see for many other people who think that requirements should be fixed retroactively to their "Statement of Intent".

 

But as you argued, Jagex is afraid of doing so in favour of those who already had it completed. However, I have noticed that there are many more in favour of retroactively fixing the requirements, and thereby possibly removing or changing requirements, than those in favour of keeping these requirement that will be an oddball in the list as it doesn't match the "Statement of Intent".

 

It's the same thing with the Trim Castle Wars things. It was always a completely asinine and idiotic requirement that should have never existed. But now that dozens of people have actually gotten it, they are never going to be in favour of getting rid of that requirement after they just did it. So yeah, can't really retroactively fix this stuff. All they can do is not be this stupid in the future.

It is not the only thing they can do. Now they too at least acknowledge that the requirement was beyond stupidity, they at least now can make amends. Often it is the first step of many in progress towards betterment. For instance, they could change the requirement to have all three Minigame Hybrid-armour as many are proposing and agreeing on.

 

That is what I leave it at for now.

[Wkw]

Why don't they do something like..

 

 

Comp

All skills maxed, all spells, all quests, miniquests done, music tracks, ect. Something you will get if you put a fair amount of effort into it.

 

Trim

Everything that comp is, and mostly what trim is now, with the exception of CW, champ scrolls, demon titles.. Basically, all the grindy things, but not RNG based

 

True Trim

Everything above, but is fully EVERYTHING... full cw armor, full void, master RC robes, lumberjack.. Anything that can be obtained in the game that isn't super duper rare (third age), must be obtained. All titles (except for solomons, loyalty, holiday, weekly highscores)... obtained each rare item as a drop once (nex armor, drygores, seismics, ascension signets)*, final boss title, all boss pets. all soul wars pets, at least 1000 kills on EVERY BOSS, 500 kills on EVERY BOSS in hard mode

 

Elite True Trim

All of the above, PLUS effective level 120 in every skill

 

SUPERDIVINE ELITE TRUE TRIM

200m in everything, plus the above... maybe not this one. Haha

 

 

* On this, perhaps once you have maxed, you can obtain a Loot Bag, where you can start filling in with monster drops. Should you receive one, when you initially pick it up, it will become an unusable, untradable type you can place into your loot bag to count as a drop. You can turn it into a tradable normal one that can't at any time, but if you place it in your bag it will be stuck there until you finish filling it up with 1x of every rare and unique drop in the game. Obviously, would not work on lootshare, coinshare, or with shards