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Because the game engine uses signed integers, stackable items are limited to 2.1 billion units each. While this does not affect most players, it can prove to be an inconvenience to players who do very large trades.

 

Of course, the fundamentally simplest solution is to switch to the long data type, or better yet, arbitrary-precision arithmetic. But if that isn't technically feasible, then I have an idea that can allow players to store and trade large amounts of wealth without resorting to high-liquidity items: coin denominations and bills.

 

Basically, there would be six types of coins with different values:

 

Blue coin - 5 GP

Green coin - 10 GP

Red coin - 25 GP

White coin - 50 GP

Purple coin - 100 GP

Black coin - 500 GP

 

There would also be bills for larger denominations:

 

Blue bill - 1,000 GP

Green bill - 5,000 GP

Red bill - 10,000 GP

White bill - 25,000 GP

Purple bill - 50,000 GP

Black bill - 100,000 GP

Silver bill - 500,000 GP

Golden bill - 1 million GP

 

Players would be able to convert between regular GP and coins or bills at banks. The coins and bills would not be transferable on the Grand Exchange, and their face values would be used to calculate the values of trades.

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While that would all work, I think another concern of Jagex's is the economic impact of infinite coin storage rather than the possible inconvenience of switching systems or implementing new denominations of currency. In other words, when you give people an essentially infinite amount of space to hoard coins, it will create some downward pressure on very valuable items like partyhats and crackers, even the ones not valued at the current maximum cash stack or above. Part of the reason for this is that people use them to hold large chunks of wealth or when it's not feasible to try and juggle X coin pouches.

 

I do think it would be a nice novelty though, if nothing else :P.

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I like the idea, but feel that your suggestion uses way too many unneeded denominations that would be really confusing.  A single one at either 10K (raising it to 21T) or 100K (raising it to 214T) would suffice.

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If I were still playing, I might like the idea of bills for 1K (1,000... and make that green instead of blue) and 1M (1,000,000... to which gold or silver would be fine), as well as perhaps at 1B (1,000,000,000... purple or gold here because that's royal value).  But all the others would just introduce severe confusion, and therefore would not be handy in the game's design. :-k

 

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Summoning shards ~ 25 coins.

This only works if you don't train summoning. :notalk:

 

Alternate currency stacks definitely help in this situation. :D

 

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Summoning shards ~ 25 coins.

This only works if you don't train summoning. :notalk:

 

Alternate currency stacks definitely help in this situation. :D

 

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Using shards instead of cash doesn't prevent you from training summoning at all

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Summoning shards ~ 25 coins.

This only works if you don't train summoning. :notalk:

 

Alternate currency stacks definitely help in this situation. :D

 

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I have no clue how you came to that conclusion.

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Maybe he means that the resource stack would shrink as you trained Summoning, rather than having a fixed amount of coins in the pouch.

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Maybe he means that the resource stack would shrink as you trained Summoning, rather than having a fixed amount of coins in the pouch.

 

That is the same as using coins, and you can have more shards than you will ever spend :P

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I can see I've gotten behind on this thread, not being able to keep up for a few days.  Anywho, getting back to the topic... -.-


 

 

Anyone here ever heard the phrase "Have your cake and eat it too", or in this case "Have your gp and your exp too"? :huh:

 

If you train summoning, what you were using for a higher denomination of gp gets perma-locked into exp instead, unusable for the other.  That in itself auto-defeats the ability of Summoning Shards to act as a form of currency, but then try tossing in the effects of the Grand Exchange, and the effects of all those new accounts being made that have those unwanted trade restrictions.  Effectively, trying to set a locked value upon such a skilling item doesn't work, as the actual exchanged in-game value can differ on a massive scale.  Plus, if you run afoul of those trade restrictions, it can possibly block a trade completely.  In the end, you're forced back to an actual in-game currency, and that in itself is why this thread got started.  So, having Jagex produce compressed currency packaging is actually beneficial to the economy design, given possible situations that can (and probably will) arise as gameplay progresses. :geek:

 

 

Now, admittedly, I haven't played RuneScape myself in some time.  So I don't honestly know if those Trade Restrictions are still in place for new accounts.  If they aren't, feel free to post back here and tell, as that was one of the many reasons I left and I would find it an after-comfort to know they had been discontinued. :-k

 

 

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Are you aware that you can both buy and sell the shards to NPC's for 25 coins each? The trade restrictions are still in place for new accounts, but there aren't any limits on trading either way with the NPC's.

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I can see I've gotten behind on this thread, not being able to keep up for a few days.  Anywho, getting back to the topic... -.-


 

 

Anyone here ever heard the phrase "Have your cake and eat it too", or in this case "Have your gp and your exp too"? :huh:

 

If you train summoning, what you were using for a higher denomination of gp gets perma-locked into exp instead, unusable for the other.  That in itself auto-defeats the ability of Summoning Shards to act as a form of currency, but then try tossing in the effects of the Grand Exchange, and the effects of all those new accounts being made that have those unwanted trade restrictions.  Effectively, trying to set a locked value upon such a skilling item doesn't work, as the actual exchanged in-game value can differ on a massive scale.  Plus, if you run afoul of those trade restrictions, it can possibly block a trade completely.  In the end, you're forced back to an actual in-game currency, and that in itself is why this thread got started.  So, having Jagex produce compressed currency packaging is actually beneficial to the economy design, given possible situations that can (and probably will) arise as gameplay progresses. :geek:

 

 

Now, admittedly, I haven't played RuneScape myself in some time.  So I don't honestly know if those Trade Restrictions are still in place for new accounts.  If they aren't, feel free to post back here and tell, as that was one of the many reasons I left and I would find it an after-comfort to know they had been discontinued. :-k

 

 

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It works for every person, even ironman accounts, as arceus already said, you can trade them back at the same price as bought for to any shop you want (25gp).

 

See http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Spirit_shards

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Okay... so scratch the G.E.-related part of the issue.  It still stands though that if you use up things like spirit shards for summoning training, then there will still be some loss of your 'gp equivalent' through locked exp exchange and non-return of some shards via NPCs that break the summoning pouches back down into shards and such.  If you're willing to put up with that, then enjoy... but I still see that as being unstable. :|

 

I honestly still think that @ixfd64's idea of providing actual grouped currency notes should happen, however only with 3 grouping levels like I have posted as a possible tweak to this suggestion.  Simply, it would provide a standard that doesn't have this potentially perceivable issue of vulnerability, and I happen to like the elementary feeling of stability that this suggestion provides. :huh:

 

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Okay... so scratch the G.E.-related part of the issue.  It still stands though that if you use up things like coins for construction training, then there will still be some loss of your 'gp equivalent' through locked exp exchange and non-return of some coins via NPCs that break the flatpacks back down into coins and such.  If you're willing to put up with that, then enjoy... but I still see that as being unstable. :|

I still don't get how a 25GP denomination that you can incidentally use in skilling is unstable or vulnerable in any way, given that it's completely fluid and in no way different from how you'd spend coins on construction training.

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