Update Ports - Guardians of the World

[essiw]

 

 

<snip>

I didn't know that being a god lost your original race also, fail! 

 

Would you class things like dragonkin non-race due to not being able to reproduce? Or just when lack of numbers cause this?

 

Dragonkin are a weird case. I think I'd need to know more about how many of them there are before deciding whether they qualify as a race or not - if there's just a handful, then probably not; if there's a few hundred, then maybe.

 

It's complicated by the fact that in sci-fi and fantasy, we often use "race" as a combination of "species" and "civilization". They're clearly a species, albeit a sort-of manufactured one, but I'm not sure I'd call them a culture or civilization.

 

(If you're asking about my "dead race" comment, the question would be whether or not I'd call them a dead race, not whether or not I'd call them a race at all. I'd hesitate to call them a dead race without more information about them.)

 

Like you said, they are not a race but might be a species. A race would mean that they can reproduce with other races (like african people and european people can get children)

In real life something is considered a species when it is or was able to reproduce (or multiply), I know nothing of the dragonkin but it depends on how they came into being if they are a race. For example in real life a Mule is not considered a species, as they are not able to reproduce. However as this is  a game, one might consider something a species if it was able to reproduce or multiply in the past, but somehow lost that ability. If they came into existence from nothing (or from an elder god), than that is something not comparable to real life, which would make it more difficult.

[Sy_Accursed]

 

 

 

<snip>

I didn't know that being a god lost your original race also, fail! 

 

Would you class things like dragonkin non-race due to not being able to reproduce? Or just when lack of numbers cause this?

 

Dragonkin are a weird case. I think I'd need to know more about how many of them there are before deciding whether they qualify as a race or not - if there's just a handful, then probably not; if there's a few hundred, then maybe.

 

It's complicated by the fact that in sci-fi and fantasy, we often use "race" as a combination of "species" and "civilization". They're clearly a species, albeit a sort-of manufactured one, but I'm not sure I'd call them a culture or civilization.

 

(If you're asking about my "dead race" comment, the question would be whether or not I'd call them a dead race, not whether or not I'd call them a race at all. I'd hesitate to call them a dead race without more information about them.)

 

Like you said, they are not a race but might be a species. A race would mean that they can reproduce with other races (like african people and european people can get children)

In real life something is considered a species when it is or was able to reproduce (or multiply), I know nothing of the dragonkin but it depends on how they came into being if they are a race. For example in real life a Mule is not considered a species, as they are not able to reproduce. However as this is  a game, one might consider something a species if it was able to reproduce or multiply in the past, but somehow lost that ability. If they came into existence from nothing (or from an elder god), than that is something not comparable to real life, which would make it more difficult.

 

 

All life in the Runescape world came into being from nothing or from an elder god. Heck all life irl came into being from nothing - whether you believe in creationism via religion or science and evolution we all became from nothing.

 

As for the Dragonkin all we know of them is they lived in the previous universe, hid in the abyss when it ended then pleaded with Jas for salvation resulting in them being enslaved to the Stone.

Nowhere do we have lore that says Dragonkin cannot reproduce - all we know for certain is to date we are only aware of males of the species surviving. The ones who lost the ability to reproduce are the Dragon Riders.

 

In regards to the race/species thing I think most fantasy worlds call all civilised humanoid beings races with the implication that they can indeed cross breed. There's certainly stuff floating around the game the implies as much for most humanoid species we know of - The dwarf in love with the human at gunnar's grun, the apparent romance between rhiannon the elf and dharmorac the human, Moia being a half-breed of mahjaratt and human, the myreque guy who seems to be part icyene.

 

Plus your notion of race meaning different parts of same species and species being separate things doesn't exactly hold true. Horses and Donkeys are separate species, not breeds of the same one, yet they can produce Mules. Lions and Tigers are independent species yet can produce Ligers and Tigons. What can interbreed is rather a messy thing and often being in the same genus but different species is enough, but then on other occasions different breeds within the same species have issue with interbreeding.

[essiw]

 

 

 

 

<snip>

I didn't know that being a god lost your original race also, fail! 

 

Would you class things like dragonkin non-race due to not being able to reproduce? Or just when lack of numbers cause this?

 

Dragonkin are a weird case. I think I'd need to know more about how many of them there are before deciding whether they qualify as a race or not - if there's just a handful, then probably not; if there's a few hundred, then maybe.

 

It's complicated by the fact that in sci-fi and fantasy, we often use "race" as a combination of "species" and "civilization". They're clearly a species, albeit a sort-of manufactured one, but I'm not sure I'd call them a culture or civilization.

 

(If you're asking about my "dead race" comment, the question would be whether or not I'd call them a dead race, not whether or not I'd call them a race at all. I'd hesitate to call them a dead race without more information about them.)

 

Like you said, they are not a race but might be a species. A race would mean that they can reproduce with other races (like african people and european people can get children)

In real life something is considered a species when it is or was able to reproduce (or multiply), I know nothing of the dragonkin but it depends on how they came into being if they are a race. For example in real life a Mule is not considered a species, as they are not able to reproduce. However as this is  a game, one might consider something a species if it was able to reproduce or multiply in the past, but somehow lost that ability. If they came into existence from nothing (or from an elder god), than that is something not comparable to real life, which would make it more difficult.

 

 

All life in the Runescape world came into being from nothing or from an elder god. Heck all life irl came into being from nothing - whether you believe in creationism via religion or science and evolution we all became from nothing.

 

As for the Dragonkin all we know of them is they lived in the previous universe, hid in the abyss when it ended then pleaded with Jas for salvation resulting in them being enslaved to the Stone.

Nowhere do we have lore that says Dragonkin cannot reproduce - all we know for certain is to date we are only aware of males of the species surviving. The ones who lost the ability to reproduce are the Dragon Riders.

 

In regards to the race/species thing I think most fantasy worlds call all civilised humanoid beings races with the implication that they can indeed cross breed. There's certainly stuff floating around the game the implies as much for most humanoid species we know of - The dwarf in love with the human at gunnar's grun, the apparent romance between rhiannon the elf and dharmorac the human, Moia being a half-breed of mahjaratt and human, the myreque guy who seems to be part icyene.

 

Plus your notion of race meaning different parts of same species and species being separate things doesn't exactly hold true. Horses and Donkeys are separate species, not breeds of the same one, yet they can produce Mules. Lions and Tigers are independent species yet can produce Ligers and Tigons. What can interbreed is rather a messy thing and often being in the same genus but different species is enough, but then on other occasions different breeds within the same species have issue with interbreeding.

 

Yes you are right, let me state it differently. Something is part of a species if it is able to reproduce with an other member of that species and its offsprings can also reproduce (therefore horses and donkeys are not the same species). And of course if it is able to multiply itself (bee's, plants etc.). There are still exceptions (crows for example, which is complicated), but not to many.

 

About our life coming from nothing, you are also correct (it is debatable, but that would be to much off-topic). I meant that we don't have any species that came from nothing and were not able to reproduce/multiply.

[Unknown_Warrior]

Can anyone help me out here?
My Map Table tells me to focus on Ai Jei (the Skull) but I rolled the Tengu with a clue voyage and he only offers me destinations in the Loop: Dhar Pei's Vantage, Light Under Sea, Straits of the Oyster Pearl, The Reef that Lies to Mapmakers.
So what? is this a guaranteed fail? A bug? A beneficial bug where I can jump ahead?

 

EDIT: Nevermind, just after this my map table suddenly offered me two focus points (one to Dhar Pei's Vantage). How odd.

[xpx]

Can anyone help me out here?

My Map Table tells me to focus on Ai Jei (the Skull) but I rolled the Tengu with a clue voyage and he only offers me destinations in the Loop: Dhar Pei's Vantage, Light Under Sea, Straits of the Oyster Pearl, The Reef that Lies to Mapmakers.

So what? is this a guaranteed fail? A bug? A beneficial bug where I can jump ahead?

 

EDIT: Nevermind, just after this my map table suddenly offered me two focus points (one to Dhar Pei's Vantage). How odd.

The other one was an old clue to one of the other adventurers- one that you didn't use. They never go away until you complete the voyage.

 

In any case, it seems the clues are the same for everyone, so someone is surely making a list somewhere (seen parts of a list on rswiki).

[Miss Lioness]

The remove trait voyages removes 1 trait per voyage. It will first remove the negative traits before removing positive traits.

[Sorator]

 

 

 

 

<snip>

I didn't know that being a god lost your original race also, fail! 

 

Would you class things like dragonkin non-race due to not being able to reproduce? Or just when lack of numbers cause this?

 

Dragonkin are a weird case. I think I'd need to know more about how many of them there are before deciding whether they qualify as a race or not - if there's just a handful, then probably not; if there's a few hundred, then maybe.

 

It's complicated by the fact that in sci-fi and fantasy, we often use "race" as a combination of "species" and "civilization". They're clearly a species, albeit a sort-of manufactured one, but I'm not sure I'd call them a culture or civilization.

 

(If you're asking about my "dead race" comment, the question would be whether or not I'd call them a dead race, not whether or not I'd call them a race at all. I'd hesitate to call them a dead race without more information about them.)

 

Like you said, they are not a race but might be a species. A race would mean that they can reproduce with other races (like african people and european people can get children)

In real life something is considered a species when it is or was able to reproduce (or multiply), I know nothing of the dragonkin but it depends on how they came into being if they are a race. For example in real life a Mule is not considered a species, as they are not able to reproduce. However as this is  a game, one might consider something a species if it was able to reproduce or multiply in the past, but somehow lost that ability. If they came into existence from nothing (or from an elder god), than that is something not comparable to real life, which would make it more difficult.

 

 

All life in the Runescape world came into being from nothing or from an elder god. Heck all life irl came into being from nothing - whether you believe in creationism via religion or science and evolution we all became from nothing.

 

As for the Dragonkin all we know of them is they lived in the previous universe, hid in the abyss when it ended then pleaded with Jas for salvation resulting in them being enslaved to the Stone.

Nowhere do we have lore that says Dragonkin cannot reproduce - all we know for certain is to date we are only aware of males of the species surviving. The ones who lost the ability to reproduce are the Dragon Riders.

 

In regards to the race/species thing I think most fantasy worlds call all civilised humanoid beings races with the implication that they can indeed cross breed. There's certainly stuff floating around the game the implies as much for most humanoid species we know of - The dwarf in love with the human at gunnar's grun, the apparent romance between rhiannon the elf and dharmorac the human, Moia being a half-breed of mahjaratt and human, the myreque guy who seems to be part icyene.

 

Plus your notion of race meaning different parts of same species and species being separate things doesn't exactly hold true. Horses and Donkeys are separate species, not breeds of the same one, yet they can produce Mules. Lions and Tigers are independent species yet can produce Ligers and Tigons. What can interbreed is rather a messy thing and often being in the same genus but different species is enough, but then on other occasions different breeds within the same species have issue with interbreeding.

 

For what it's worth, two individuals having romantic or even sexual love doesn't necessarily mean they would produce viable offspring. And as essiw said, for the most part, species are defined as being able to produce "viable" offspring (aka children which can also reproduce). So donkey + horse = mule which can't reproduce, thus donkeys and horses aren't the same species. (Working on memories of high school biology, which was a while ago, but that's what I remember.)

 

I think you're right that "race" probably expanded to include elves and dwarves and the like because of the idea that they could breed with humans to produce half-elves and such. Whether or not it's maintained that meaning is questionable (I definitely can think of settings that "race" has effectively meant "sentient, communicating species" regardless of inter-breed-ability), but thanks for pointing that out!

[essiw]

I think they are called races in runescape and other games because they are able to communicate with a (mostly human-like) language, thus the "races" seem much more like humans than animals seem to be.

[Flyingjj]

For the curious, the exiles final story voyage base rewards:

 

15 lacquer and 10 bones

 

[Saradomin_Mage]

 

THEY GOT RID OF THE PUFFER FISH :'(

[Sorator]

Is that what those were? I honestly couldn't tell. They were just weird spiky things with faces hanging from the ceiling.

[Sy_Accursed]

 

THEY GOT RID OF THE PUFFER FISH :'(

 

All we wanted was a few piles of terracotta/azure and new pufferfish colours, but nooooo they go and ruin it all ='[

 

RIP Puffy the most important crew man that ever did serve in any port of Gielinor.

Your technicolour transforming self may be gone but long shall your spirit reign!

[Hajutze]

Do I need anything apart from 6,000,000 distance and luck to get the thingy you need for the weapons ?

[xpx]

Haven't heard anyone getting one as of yet. However, they are also a reward from the new adventurer trio storyline.

[Flyingjj]

Final story voyage reward for tengu:

 

20 plate and 10 pearls

 

[Youmu]

Still trying to get the Memory's final story voyage... but of course the wrong adventurers spawn and I have no adventurer rerolls left >_>

 

Got 2/4 seasinger wand scrolls though, scroll missions are honestly pathetically easy with level 10 crew, maxed ship upgrades and near-level 10 35k-chime captains in the Azure region.

[SwreeTak]

 

 

THEY GOT RID OF THE PUFFER FISH :'(

 

All we wanted was a few piles of terracotta/azure and new pufferfish colours, but nooooo they go and ruin it all ='[

 

RIP Puffy the most important crew man that ever did serve in any port of Gielinor.

Your technicolour transforming self may be gone but long shall your spirit reign!

 

 

Of all the posts I have ever seen on the forums this is the best. 

 

A bit more on topic: I am loving this update so far. I am not rushing through ports like I know many of the rest of you do. I am doing like a visit a day or something. I especially love Aagi's storyline so far.

[Blutters]

Still trying to get the Memory's final story voyage... but of course the wrong adventurers spawn and I have no adventurer rerolls left >_>

 

Got 2/4 seasinger wand scrolls though, scroll missions are honestly pathetically easy with level 10 crew, maxed ship upgrades and near-level 10 35k-chime captains in the Azure region.

I've gotten one, maybe two scroll voyages since the update  :thumbdown:

Thankfully I did get 2 ports enhancers from the maw though  :thumbup:

I'm really missing the point of clue voyages apparently, too -.- they seem like story voyages by a different name... but without any story.

[Youmu]

 

Still trying to get the Memory's final story voyage... but of course the wrong adventurers spawn and I have no adventurer rerolls left >_>

 

Got 2/4 seasinger wand scrolls though, scroll missions are honestly pathetically easy with level 10 crew, maxed ship upgrades and near-level 10 35k-chime captains in the Azure region.

I've gotten one, maybe two scroll voyages since the update  :thumbdown:

Thankfully I did get 2 ports enhancers from the maw though  :thumbup:

I'm really missing the point of clue voyages apparently, too -.- they seem like story voyages by a different name... but without any story.

 

All I know is that you get useful shit from clue voyages as well. I really want to remove these bad traits on my captains.

 

And did the Memory's final voyage today! Now I have to wait for 3 trio missions D:

[Miss Lioness]

 

 

Still trying to get the Memory's final story voyage... but of course the wrong adventurers spawn and I have no adventurer rerolls left >_>

 

Got 2/4 seasinger wand scrolls though, scroll missions are honestly pathetically easy with level 10 crew, maxed ship upgrades and near-level 10 35k-chime captains in the Azure region.

I've gotten one, maybe two scroll voyages since the update  :thumbdown:

Thankfully I did get 2 ports enhancers from the maw though  :thumbup:

I'm really missing the point of clue voyages apparently, too -.- they seem like story voyages by a different name... but without any story.

 

All I know is that you get useful shit from clue voyages as well. I really want to remove these bad traits on my captains.

 

And did the Memory's final voyage today! Now I have to wait for 3 trio missions D:

 

 

As far as I know, the clue voyages are not what gives you the trait removals. Its the Memory Hidden voyage.

 

EDIT: It has ties to clue voyages if you meant that. This is what Mod Rowley told me regarding the removal of captain traits:

 

That voyage is the Memory's hidden voyage (after finding all her clue voyages). Completing her story voyages should help too.

[HunterDexter]

Dang, these stories from the new adventurers are so awesome. :D The characters themselves, the lore (and Bandosians), the emotional investment, it's all there! Really love this piece.

[Saradomin_Mage]

Mod Rowley's writing is way better than whoever it was who churned out stuff like "To The Ship!" in Ports 2.

[Saradomin_Mage]

"The Tengu has recalled a piece of a forgotten scroll enshrined at the Tengu Archipelago. It is guarded by Gu Master Boushoku! Best him in combat, then prove your temperance."

 

Adversity: 35,625 combat

 

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Can we just consider the fact that Gu Master Boushoku is being beaten up in combat not only by the Tengu mask that he was instrumental in creating, but also most likely the 4-5 Gu Bodyguards you've sent alongside it?

[strilmus]

don't forget that we're going to preshell his house with heavy ordinance

 

noobtube forever

[Saradomin_Mage]

Math of ports icons

 

 

where x is the number of adventurers available to be rolled (i.e. unlocked and not out on a voyage).