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Going to make a push on dxp, curious about rates. Last I remember I was thinking it is something like 3k/hr at the fastest. Is this accurate?

 

Also, will be making granite lobs, is it best to sell the pouches or exchange for shards? I assume selling, just making sure.

 

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From what I've found from previous questions, 3k/hr seems reasonable, and that was years ago, before bank presets etc. etc....so you should be able to get at least that much, perhaps even more :).

 

To answer your second question, returning it will give you 2,925 coins worth of shards, while the G.E. price is slightly higher at 3,207. It's a good idea to keep prices in mind, though, because they may well get pummeled by double xp weekend sellers!

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Tokkul-zo beats ring of duelling for pouches per hour as it has infinite teles right to a bank which reduces some bank time.

 

Plus most figures don't really account for load out presets allowing for 1 click to dump pouches and grab new supplies.

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As Sy says, use Tokkul-zo. You can teleport to the Fight Kiln which gives a static banker that you can click on while the screen fades to black. I personally used the Caves banker.

 

When I was using Tokkul-zo and kyatt I was getting around 3 inventories per minute (4500 pouches/hr). No presets, should be faster when you have them set up. Use a low population/foreign world for less lag. Use spacebar for crafting pouches, number keys to go through the dialogue with the kyatt.

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I put Tokkul-zo on 2 on my action bar, then I can just keep a finger on 2.

 

You press 2 after talking to kyatt to teleport to obelisk

You press 2 after crafting pouches to open ring teleports

You press 2 and it teleports you to fight pits

 

I think the banker at fight pits moves around a little bit though, so going to kiln might be a bit better, but I liked fight pits because then I could use 2 for everything, more convenient.

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If you have access to priffdinas, it should be faster thank kyatt to use ithell-amlodd teleports to do summoning

 

No.

 

You get so few charges per tele seed, plus you sacrifice an inventory spot, plus the Amlodd tele spot isn't really that close to the obelisk.

Factor in all that clicking/typing to get through the tele seeds and the lost inventory spot and the extra bank time swapping out seeds and the down time to recharge them you'd probably make near as many pouches running bk n forth in priff as you would with teles.

 

And it certainly does not come close to rivalling kyatt method in terms of pouches an hour.

 

I mean priff isn't a bad method if you wanna take it a bit slower and enjoy the perks of the increased yield shard swap in shop right in your training ground, but it is the slower paced less pouches per hour option.

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Does VoS still boost xp? I thought that went away which meant its only summon effects were increased rocks and 12 scrolls per pouch.

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If you have access to priffdinas, it should be faster thank kyatt to use ithell-amlodd teleports to do summoning

 

No.

 

You get so few charges per tele seed, plus you sacrifice an inventory spot, plus the Amlodd tele spot isn't really that close to the obelisk.

Factor in all that clicking/typing to get through the tele seeds and the lost inventory spot and the extra bank time swapping out seeds and the down time to recharge them you'd probably make near as many pouches running bk n forth in priff as you would with teles.

 

And it certainly does not come close to rivalling kyatt method in terms of pouches an hour.

 

I mean priff isn't a bad method if you wanna take it a bit slower and enjoy the perks of the increased yield shard swap in shop right in your training ground, but it is the slower paced less pouches per hour option.

 

 

Presets cancel out any banking time, set preset 1 to  1 * 3-charge crystal, 2 to 2 * 1-charge crystals, alternate.

 

It takes 1 min 25 seconds to charge 140 crystals.

 

Teleporting is just left-click crystal, hold down 8, left-click crystal, hold down 3. No right-clicking whatsoever. That is less clicking than using kyatt and having to right click tokkul-zo.

 

Amlodd teleport is at least 4 seconds per run faster than kyatt teleport -> piscatoris obelisk, due to not having a ladder and being comparable distance from the kyatt teleport.

 

Yes VoS boosts xp, but amlodd-ithell is guaranteed faster if you have at least 56 teleport crystals.

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Your clicking figures for kyatt are based on false assumptions of how to do it well.

 

Talking to kyatt is one left click. Keyboard 2 teleports.

Tokkul-zo can be activated to teleport via hotbar theen keyboard gets you to tele.

You can basically use left click and the 2 button to do the whole procedure.

 

Presets cancel out banking time swapping the seeds sure, but not the banking time resulting from charging the seeds or the banking time from extra runs to accommodate carrying a seed.

 

I can't see prif being 4 seconds faster by any means. Sure if your net sucks and you get bad loads times the ladder might nerf you, but I mean a good run at kyatt  is 30 seconds or less if your pro and those are figures that came before bank presets made things faster.

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Hmm you are right. I stand corrected. I have never done kyatt method before when I was finishing summoning, so I was assuming that you had to right click. I did some of my own testing:

(I am unable to get any more summoning xp so I just did it with a granite lobster)

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sn_Aj6pn8Q

 

 

One benefit of using crystals to bank teleport is that usually when you make a pouch, immediately afterwards you are prevented from doing actions for 4 ticks. However, the crystal interface overrides this and does allow you to do teleports faster after making pouches.

 

I am unsure if the extra ticks it seems to be taking to do crystal teleport animations is fixed or if I'm just not loading the new location fast enough. 

 

Interestingly, the inventory space lost by using crystals exactly matches the avatar boost you get instead of using kyatt.

 

 

All in all, there is a clear benefit to using amlodd-ithell during amlodd voice, and a slight disadvantage other times.

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How much slower would just running be instead of teleporting @ Ithell-Amlodd method?

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One benefit of using crystals to bank teleport is that usually when you make a pouch, immediately afterwards you are prevented from doing actions for 4 ticks. However, the crystal interface overrides this and does allow you to do teleports faster after making pouches.

 

I am unsure if the extra ticks it seems to be taking to do crystal teleport animations is fixed or if I'm just not loading the new location fast enough. 

 

Interestingly, the inventory space lost by using crystals exactly matches the avatar boost you get instead of using kyatt.

 

All in all, there is a clear benefit to using amlodd-ithell during amlodd voice, and a slight disadvantage other times.

The delay seems to be intentional which is why I don't think it's better than an instant teleport like tokkul-zo, despite the pouch making delay.

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^@Lione

 

Didn't do video timing, just ran back and forth a few times with the pouch lag accounted for. I was getting 31-33 second round trips running amlodd-ithell.

 

So about 6-8 seconds slower per run.

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^@Lione

 

Didn't do video timing, just ran back and forth a few times with the pouch lag accounted for. I was getting 31-33 second round trips running amlodd-ithell.

 

So about 6-8 seconds slower per run.

 

Yepyep

 

Disclaimer: It remains my opinion that taverley is still the only method worth doing.

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Interestingly, the inventory space lost by using crystals exactly matches the avatar boost you get instead of using kyatt.

Is there a reason why you're using avatar over yak? It's considerably faster xp (# of pouches/scrolls)/hr...

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Interestingly, the inventory space lost by using crystals exactly matches the avatar boost you get instead of using kyatt.

Is there a reason why you're using avatar over yak? It's considerably faster xp (# of pouches/scrolls)/hr...

 

Deo raises a surprisingly intelligent point. I never considered that but that is indeed true.

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Brought to you by Primacy National Laboratories, Miss Deoness's yak method:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFN9KujLWPI

 

 

To recap:

 

Kyatt method: 22 seconds per run, 25 pouches per run = ~4100 pouches per hour

 

Amlodd-Ithell teleporting: 22 seconds per run, 23.5 pouches per run = ~3850 pouches per hour

 

Amlodd-Ithell running: 31 seconds per run, 25 pouches per run = ~2900 pouches per hour

 

Amlodd-Ithell teleporting + yak: 29 seconds per run, 47 pouches per run = ~5800 pouches per hour

 

Amlodd-Ithell running + yak: 38 seconds per run, 50 pouches per run = ~4700 pouches per hour

 

 

And what I think everyone should do:

Taverley + portable bank deposit box: 5.4 seconds per run, 24 pouches per run = ~16000 pouches per hour

 

 

To conclude: 

Assuming you for some reason choose not to do Taverley:

If your secondary can go in yak, even running between amlodd and ithell with a yak is significantly faster than kyatt. Otherwise, kyatt is the best bet.

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Interestingly, the inventory space lost by using crystals exactly matches the avatar boost you get instead of using kyatt.

Is there a reason why you're using avatar over yak? It's considerably faster xp (# of pouches/scrolls)/hr...

 

 

It is more exp per pouch, therefore less gp per pouch.

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Dude can you actually try Amlodd-TzHaar? I'm interested in the turnaround time for that.

Absolutely ingenious.

 

I am reasonably close to max speed in this video. All of the regular forced lag is cancelled while doing this. I am unsure why.

 

Standard 3-run test below:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa_YXF093V4

 

38 tick? runs, (possibly max speed 36) 48 pouches per run ->  >=7600 pouches per hour

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