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Tuska Falls | Quick Lodestone Teleports


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"Players now need to wait 7 days to remove Ironman mode, in case a player has been hijacked. This can be bypassed by registering an authenticator to the account."
So now you hijack the account, register an authenticator and remove Ironman?

That's a legitimate concern, but I presume that the use case here is that an account would already have an authenticator code on their account so that they don't have to encounter this scenario. I mean, the means to secure one's account are there and aren't too hard to implement; why take your chances with it?

Then what's the point in having the 7 days wait period at all?

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As I see it, there are 4 cases.

  1. No authenticator, no waiting period - can be hijacked and ruined - this is bad.
  2. No authenticator, with waiting period - even if an account is hijacked, the original owner has 7 days to get it back - this is "okay."
  3. With authenticator, no waiting period - hard to hack through authenticator - this is "okay."
  4. With authenticator and with waiting period - unnecessary 7 days as the account should be secure anwyay.

With Jagex's current setup, you hit either 2 or 3, which are both acceptable scenarios, though personally I'd prefer having 4 as a (permanent) option if I were in that situation.


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For normal accounts there are still a few in existence with additional security to their account.

 

One well known case is Zezima's account. He has a special phone number in case of being hacked to resecure his account.

 

Some accounts have grandfathered security. These have the old JAG security still active on their account. I believe that these accounts with the addition of Authenticator on top of it, would be the most secure accounts that are around. To hack these accounts, one needs to breach password, a series of questions and a random every changing string of numbers.

 

I wonder why Jagex didn't keep JAG and added Authenticator to work alongside it.


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Maybe she didn't turn to some because her divine energy and/or anima is still trapped inside her corpse?

....then she would be alive.

Maybe not. If you destroyed her brain, but the energy is still in there is she still alive? Maybe she's brain dead? Maybe she's dead, but because the energy didn't go anywhere the host didn't become stone.

Or perhaps we should remember that Jagex and consistency go together like a balloon and a handful of tacks?
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They can't kill her, otherwise the portal will stop working (unless they "reconnect" it with the Anima Mundi of Gielinor).



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They can't kill her, otherwise the portal will stop working (unless they "reconnect" it with the Anima Mundi of Gielinor).


Well, I suppose since Vorago delivered the killing blow and he is only the avatar of Gielinor he wouldn't absorb her godly energy like another God would. Hence he connected Gielinor to her?

Maybe that's why Godless had that nonsense as the default faction. So Jagex could guide things into this area so that if we won they could have the update like this.

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I don't think I saw any visual representation of her power flowing out of her ... she didn't turn to stone either.

 

She could probably be something like us - she has some sort of godly powers/protection but wasn't really a God.



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I don't think I saw any visual representation of her power flowing out of her ... she didn't turn to stone either.

She could probably be something like us - she has some sort of godly powers/protection but wasn't really a God.


No, she was given Tier 4 status which would make her a god. The question is what happened to her power and why not turn to stone.

V was killed, but his energy was channelled into a Kin. It would have to go somewhere.

Maybe Vorago didn't kill her proper? Maybe he stunned her and next week someone else will kill her for real, take the energy and turn her to stone.

Maybe Big Z? Harness her energy for something and makes the portal permanent?
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I missed the point when they tiered her but I dont really watch podcasts and I dont really read the 100s of pages in the RSOF.

 

Stunning was a theory I saw (RSOF ... in a 100- topic :D) I guess they can kill her properly in a coming quest.

 

I mean what are the chances of her being dead ... some mortals poked her a bit, then some rock thingy punched her twice and Kamehameha'ed her.

 

I wonder if there are some other sources of power other than the Elder Artifacts. Being turned into stone and etc. may be a sideeffect of becoming a God via the Artifacts. After all Z can survive without a physical body (Seren too I guess) and if that was easy to achieve most Gods would just abandon their bodies before they get killed.



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I missed the point when they tiered her but I dont really watch podcasts and I dont really read the 100s of pages in the RSOF.

Stunning was a theory I saw (RSOF ... in a 100- topic :D) I guess they can kill her properly in a coming quest.

I mean what are the chances of her being dead ... some mortals poked her a bit, then some rock thingy punched her twice and Kamehameha'ed her.

I wonder if there are some other sources of power other than the Elder Artifacts. Being turned into stone and etc. may be a sideeffect of becoming a God via the Artifacts. After all Z can survive without a physical body (Seren too I guess) and if that was easy to achieve most Gods would just abandon their bodies before they get killed.


Z and Seren are special cases. Gods, false ones let's say, cannot leave their bodies. The stone effect is what happens when they lose all the power, the levee behind a shell. They host divine energy that comes from two places: an elder god and an elder artifact. The two special cases were never mortals and are made entirely of divine energy. They won't turn to stone, but they can die.
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Thus, why I was wondering if there is a third source of godhood that doesn't turn you into stone when you die (other than Jagex sucking at consistency).



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Nope, but if there was, it would still have to come from an Elder god.
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Given that the Abyss is not affected by their rebirth cycle there are probably a couple of other nuxuses (nexi :D?)/dimensions not created by them or not affected by it. Chances are if there are more (than the Abyss) one of them may have some sort of power source not originating from the Elder Gods or at least not from the current ones.



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For normal accounts there are still a few in existence with additional security to their account.
 
One well known case is Zezima's account. He has a special phone number in case of being hacked to resecure his account.
 
Some accounts have grandfathered security. These have the old JAG security still active on their account. I believe that these accounts with the addition of Authenticator on top of it, would be the most secure accounts that are around. To hack these accounts, one needs to breach password, a series of questions and a random every changing string of numbers.
 
I wonder why Jagex didn't keep JAG and added Authenticator to work alongside it.


Probably because if someone can go hack you need to go through the authenticator, which either means cracking the authenticator, using brute force or someone using your device to see your code. The first two don't really sound plausible to me, in case of the last one, you need to fix that yourself :P

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I thought JAG was forcibly retired. When I activated the authenticator, it removed it for me automatically, anyway.


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I don't think it ever was forced off - just left there as a legacy system if/until you signed up for Authenticator.
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I don't think it ever was forced off - just left there as a legacy system if/until you signed up for Authenticator.

 

You are only partially right. It is a legacy system that is only halted if you either remove it yourself or you need to recover your account with the help of Jagex Support.

 

In the latter case, JS removes it as part of the recovery process. You then can no longer enable Jag again.


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I don't think I saw any visual representation of her power flowing out of her ... she didn't turn to stone either.

She could probably be something like us - she has some sort of godly powers/protection but wasn't really a God.


No, she was given Tier 4 status which would make her a god. The question is what happened to her power and why not turn to stone.

V was killed, but his energy was channelled into a Kin. It would have to go somewhere.

Maybe Vorago didn't kill her proper? Maybe he stunned her and next week someone else will kill her for real, take the energy and turn her to stone.

Maybe Big Z? Harness her energy for something and makes the portal permanent?

 

 

I believe that this was brought up on the latest Dev Q&A stream. Tuska's power is still flowing partly through her, but she is Guthix-dead. From next week we will probably see a change of some sort as her power will in much have gone to the portal that leads to Mazcab. 

 

I somehow doubt she will all turn to stone because of some special Jagex new lore invention thingy.


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Arguably its never been established as a full gone lore fact that dead gods turn to stone in all cases.

 

There is a precedent certainly so far but of the 4 dead gods we've seen prior to Tuska haven't been killed by the same means

Skargaroth was stabbed by the elder sword

Guthix the elder staff

Bandos had a giant blast of god energy in his face, since thats what divine energy is mostly

V the elder mirror.

 

Tuska on the other hand was killed by a force of the Anima Mundi.

 

So there is room in the lore to make a realistic distinction especially when you think on some of the other dead god lore - Bandos history makes no mention of the two killed turning to stone, Marimbo didn't mention the one she drank to death turning to stone, there's no stone Zaros lurking around from when he was 'killed' and fled his body.

 

In terms of solid lore we can certainly say elder artefact death = stone god

We can also say it seems like being killed by divine energy, be it in an artefact or not = stone god

However it is possible other causes of death would not result in stone - such as death by anima mundi blast, death by non-divine objects etc.


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I still think that the draining of all energy is what leaves the stone. However, if this it's true, that would mean that Armadyl would have to have taken nearly all of Bandos since he went stone immediately. Since no other apparent energy went anywhere else.

I think it's a great idea to have all that powery goodness just sitting in her waiting to be claimed. It could've made for a better game or continuation of the event to channel it to their God. Still jumping the islands, only to get to her head where Vorago struck her and siphon off energy or direct it into Gielinor.
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