Miss_Kozlov Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I'm down and I'm okay with it, though technically they aren't mini games. No mini games are quest unlocked exactly. :p Back after a 5 year TIF hiatus. Please don't mind me too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helring Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 Yea, sorry about that, tend to combine D&Ds and Minigames in my mind since they were for a long time just called "activities" by Jagex, so I tend to forget which is which, and yea we didn't include Livid because it was completely unmentioned in any quest (except for Pauline being locked up in Dimension of Disaster, but so was Meg and she isn't a quest npc either). R.I.P. The olde nite. A legend is gone but not forgotten. a Faction Related Item Sink for Rune Labs. https://[LikelyScam]/m=player-proposal/a=13/c=VcG-Ir5Ijno/view-idea?idea=19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownToFletch Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Actually I was saying the cape should be for Questers and not have RNG, bossing, or mini game requirements. The requirements should be incidentals, not completionist activities. It should be things that people already would do or have done, not Livid Farm or 4,000 chompy kills.A lot of this. If anything, halve or quarter the amount of livid required/chompy kills needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arceus Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Unlocking the first spell at Livid Farm might be fair, but it depends on how much of a learning curve it has, to be honest. If it takes hours just to learn to do it effectively it's not going to be fun for people to have that experience regardless <_> "Fight for what you believe in, and believe in what you're fighting for." Can games be art? --- My blog here if you want to check out my Times articles and other writings! I always appreciate comments/feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lioness Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Unlocking the first spell at Livid Farm might be fair, but it depends on how much of a learning curve it has, to be honest. If it takes hours just to learn to do it effectively it's not going to be fun for people to have that experience regardless <_<. It takes 5 minutes to learn what to do, as it has 5 cycles of each 1 minute that repeats constantly. These set of cycles are identical as well. so if you've done the first 5, you've done all possible different cycles ;D! Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?~ Marianne Williamson For account help/issues, please follow this link: Account Help. If you need further assistance, do not hesitate to PM me or post here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss_Kozlov Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Then you sit in front of your screen, click, stare, drool and try not to slit your wrists. Back after a 5 year TIF hiatus. Please don't mind me too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essiw Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I am fine with most stuff, except that I wouldn't really like bossing to be part of it, I see bossing (or PvM as it is called?) as something totally different than questing. The same as some say minigames/D&D's are different from questing (even if they are unlocked by quests). Though honestly I would be glad with most stuff if that would mean we actually get the cape. Wouldn't it be a nice idea to have a master quest cape, master PvM cape, master minigames cape etc.? :P And then one cape to rule them all. http://sign.tip.it/1/2/79/260/essiw.png Retired item crew I would like to be credited as essiw at the website update & corrections forum. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaoy2 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 The list is really really good, I'd rather a bunch of requirements since it helps set goals. Not a fan of the Kiln requirement though. 1 kill would be fine but 3 using different styles is a little too bossing-oriented for me. And it just unlocks a cosmetic override without adding any lore or appreciably adding anything to your character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradomin_Mage Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Don't you get it? A cosmetic override adds more value to your character than unlockable spells. 1 In real life MMO you don't get 99 smithing by making endless bronze daggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownToFletch Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Then you sit in front of your screen, click, stare, drool and try not to slit your wrists.you see I was going to go to med school and become a psychiatrist, and from the classes I took over the last 2 years make me think you're quite the... interesting person as for these reqs, I can kinda see why some bossing might be involved. In WGS you had to deal with all of the generals from GWD as well as others from other portions of the game. The books aren't incredibly hard to come by from my experience either. But this cape screams 90+ all to me which I'm not in favor of as mentioned previously. I feel it really separates people interested in quests from people that have better skills, not that those 2 don't share many of the same people... Do you guys see what I'm trying to stab at here? Or am I trying to eat pudding in the dark with a fork? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helring Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 Don't you get it? A cosmetic override adds more value to your character than unlockable spells. No one ever said the livid spells were worthless. But Livid had nothing at all to do with Questing. It was just a minigame that happened to be in a quest locked area, like Trouble Brewing is. Kiln however, was introduced in a Quest, and is a post-quest activity. Its not about what is useful, Kiln is tied to Quests and Livid wasn't. Its not about whats useful but defining what things are linked to quests and what ones aren't. R.I.P. The olde nite. A legend is gone but not forgotten. a Faction Related Item Sink for Rune Labs. https://[LikelyScam]/m=player-proposal/a=13/c=VcG-Ir5Ijno/view-idea?idea=19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helring Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 Then you sit in front of your screen, click, stare, drool and try not to slit your wrists.you see I was going to go to med school and become a psychiatrist, and from the classes I took over the last 2 years make me think you're quite the... interesting person as for these reqs, I can kinda see why some bossing might be involved. In WGS you had to deal with all of the generals from GWD as well as others from other portions of the game. The books aren't incredibly hard to come by from my experience either. But this cape screams 90+ all to me which I'm not in favor of as mentioned previously. I feel it really separates people interested in quests from people that have better skills, not that those 2 don't share many of the same people... Do you guys see what I'm trying to stab at here? Or am I trying to eat pudding in the dark with a fork? Yea, Dishonour Among Thieves and Broken home both have postquest rewards that require all skills at 90+ to unlock the chests. So the cape will require at least all 90's, although depending where it settles that may not be the highest skills. R.I.P. The olde nite. A legend is gone but not forgotten. a Faction Related Item Sink for Rune Labs. https://[LikelyScam]/m=player-proposal/a=13/c=VcG-Ir5Ijno/view-idea?idea=19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradomin_Mage Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Livid's linked to quests unless you believe the Lunar spellbook has absolutely nothing to do with quests. You get the spellbook with Lunar Diplomacy, you get an extension with Dream Mentor, and you fill the rest of the slots on the farm. Even Pauline is in Lunar Diplomacy, you get the cape from her. Trouble Brewing has no unlockables. It's not even remotely related to Cabin Fever. Livid is linked by the spellbook, and the characters who were introduced in Lunar Diplomacy, Lokar and Pauline, who are running this farm after the incidents of Lunar Diplomacy. E: Anyway, Manti's already mentioned that Livid is off, so whatever. I'm sure you've had this discussion a hundred times over in that thread. In real life MMO you don't get 99 smithing by making endless bronze daggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helring Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 Livid's linked to quests unless you believe the Lunar spellbook has absolutely nothing to do with quests. You get the spellbook with Lunar Diplomacy, you get an extension with Dream Mentor, and you fill the rest of the slots on the farm. Even Pauline is in Lunar Diplomacy, you get the cape from her. Trouble Brewing has no unlockables. It's not even remotely related to Cabin Fever. Livid is linked by the spellbook, and the characters who were introduced in Lunar Diplomacy, Lokar and Pauline, who are running this farm after the incidents of Lunar Diplomacy. Livid came out 5-6 years after Lunar diplomacy and wasn't even mentioned in the quest. All of the minigames going on the cape were actually introduced in the quests. You literally do a Court Case in a quest, you do a stripped down version of the Elder Kiln in a quest, same with phoenix. All the minigames planned to go on the cape are literally done in the quests, and have some sort of permanent unlock. Also, Court Cases are more of a miniquest than minigame anyway since they have their own storyline and aren't repeatable. The Lunar spellbook is unlocked in a quest, but that doesn't mean all future spells for it are quest related. Just like Trouble Brewing is unlocked in a quest area. There's no mention of Livid in any quests, and the spells are a very tenuous link at best. They took two NPC that exist and made a farming minigame thats unrelated to the quest. R.I.P. The olde nite. A legend is gone but not forgotten. a Faction Related Item Sink for Rune Labs. https://[LikelyScam]/m=player-proposal/a=13/c=VcG-Ir5Ijno/view-idea?idea=19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownToFletch Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Don't you get it? A cosmetic override adds more value to your character than unlockable spells. No one ever said the livid spells were worthless. But Livid had nothing at all to do with Questing. It was just a minigame that happened to be in a quest locked area, like Trouble Brewing is. Kiln however, was introduced in a Quest, and is a post-quest activity. Its not about what is useful, Kiln is tied to Quests and Livid wasn't. Its not about whats useful but defining what things are linked to quests and what ones aren't. I'll be honest even with spotlight I've been playing like 7 years and have never once played a game of Trouble Brewing. Livid's linked to quests unless you believe the Lunar spellbook has absolutely nothing to do with quests. You get the spellbook with Lunar Diplomacy, you get an extension with Dream Mentor, and you fill the rest of the slots on the farm. Even Pauline is in Lunar Diplomacy, you get the cape from her. Trouble Brewing has no unlockables. It's not even remotely related to Cabin Fever. Livid is linked by the spellbook, and the characters who were introduced in Lunar Diplomacy, Lokar and Pauline, who are running this farm after the incidents of Lunar Diplomacy. E: Anyway, Manti's already mentioned that Livid is off, so whatever. I'm sure you've had this discussion a hundred times over in that thread. Is Lunar diplomacy required to max? No. That's what a lot of people aim for. Is it required for comp? Yes. But comp is difficult and I don't feel that many people go for it/get it. At least it's off, that's nice. half chompy kills or something next, at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 One could argue Livid Farm is quest related because until you do Lunar Diplomacy Pauline does not open Livid Farm. You can do Trouble Brewing as soon as you can get to Mos Le Harmless by starting the quest, but you can't do Livid until you beat Lunar Diplomacy. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helring Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 E: Anyway, Manti's already mentioned that Livid is off, so whatever. I'm sure you've had this discussion a hundred times over in that thread. My side of it, yea, although unfortunately most of the opposite side just responded by calling us lazy or thick headed (despite the fact that I've completed Livid already for comp). So, while I disagree with it being quest related, I do appreciate that you explain your side instead of resorting to just insults =) R.I.P. The olde nite. A legend is gone but not forgotten. a Faction Related Item Sink for Rune Labs. https://[LikelyScam]/m=player-proposal/a=13/c=VcG-Ir5Ijno/view-idea?idea=19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss_Kozlov Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Then you sit in front of your screen, click, stare, drool and try not to slit your wrists.you see I was going to go to med school and become a psychiatrist, and from the classes I took over the last 2 years make me think you're quite the... interesting Oooh child, you have no idea. That's also the nicest anyone on here has ever put it. Livid is dead, let's all raise our glasses, toast to sympathy for normal players, and move on. Back after a 5 year TIF hiatus. Please don't mind me too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownToFletch Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Then you sit in front of your screen, click, stare, drool and try not to slit your wrists.you see I was going to go to med school and become a psychiatrist, and from the classes I took over the last 2 years make me think you're quite the... interestingOooh child, you have no idea. That's also the nicest anyone on here has ever put it. Livid is dead, let's all raise our glasses, toast to sympathy for normal players, and move on. VICTORY! Does anyone have a current list of what this cape is looking to require? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradomin_Mage Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 current req list by Amascut, looking pretty complete Generic All quests complete 100% completion of every Fremennik saga Completed Stronghold of Player Safety & Stronghold of Security Gained max Varrock Musuem Kudos Minigames, D&Ds, and Activities Completed all Court Cases Claimed an Enhanced Fire Cape override Fully completed Temple Trekking Lit the whole Beacon network and claim all three rewards from King Roald Defeated the Phoenix once after In Pyre Need Trimmed back the Jade Vine once (claimed the higher experience reward) Unlocked the Firemaker's Outfit from the circus MiniQuests Unlocked the Abyss Completed the 3 Buyers and Cellars capers The Curse of Zaros complete The General’s Shadow completed Completed Doric & Boric's tasks Put Clarence to rest Hopespear's Will complete Koschei's Troubles completed & all Kharshai's Memories unlocked (all Balmung colours) Unlocked the Purple Cat Found the Hidden Ga'al and read the Ful bookshelf Rag and Bone Man & Fur'n'seek wishlists done and killed the Skeletal Horror once Completed Sheep Shearer & Witch's Potion Completed all Quest reworks that can be replayed Obtained a Distorted Engrammeter on Freneskae (completed Mahjarrat memories) Completed the God Emissaries miniquest by unlocking all pages of the Book of the Gods. Titles Unlock the Vyrelord title Unlock the Annihilator title Post-Quest XP Rewards Claimed 400k experience following While Guthix Sleeps Claimed the XP reward after Blood Runs Deep Claimed experience from Daero following Monkey Madness Lorebooks/Journals/Similar Completed the Azdaran document Completed the Voice of the Elders in Prifddinas Cleansed the murals in adamant dragon dungeon and Mount Firewake & updated the Dragonkin Primer Given completed Scabarite notes to Abigail Found Sakirth, Strisath, and Kalibath's Journals and Phalaks' Experiment Log from Adamant Dragons Found all of the Bandos Memories Claimed the Zaros and Seren head overrides after Fate of the Gods (unlocked all Freneskae Memoriam Crystals) Unlocked all Prifddinas Memoriam Crystals Used The Measure to find the four Elder Chronicles Used Elder Divination to find the Elder Chronicles Post-Quest Rewards (Xp lamp claims, items, and abilities) Unlock Char's training cave and make a Zaros symbol Digsite pendant ability unlocked Helm of Trials unlocked Claimed Ancient Bones from Father Aereck after The Restless Ghost All rewards unlocked from Dimension of Disaster, including the tasks Unlocked all Death of Chivalry post-quest rewards (Xp, Gilded Cabbage, cosmetics) Fairy Tale III post quest rewards (incl. all experience and items claimed and excl. tooth creature) Obtained the Holy Cithara Opened all chests after Dishonour among Thieves Claimed 10k gold from Bill Teach after Rum Dead Obtained a medium XP lamp post-Heart of Stone Unlocked the ability to chip teleport tablets Unlocked the God Wars Dungeon teleport spell Unlocked all rewards from Missing, Presumed Death Fate of the Gods post quest rewards (XP lamps, helm of Zaros, Crest of Seren, 6a-circuit upgrade, Sliske's Gift) Gained access to the secret treasure room post-Diamond in the Rough Gained access to the secret treasure room post-Do No Evil Get all experience from the cave paintings in the Land of Snow and return the Yeti Dung to Explorer Jack Spoken to Azacorax after Rune Memories and gained Prayer or Magic XP Claimed all One of a Kind post-quest rewards Gained the extra constitution XP after Song from the Depths Plague’s End post-quest rewards (Ability to grow 3 spirit trees, Magic, Divination, Melee, Slayer and Smithing XP lamps) Unlock the ability to trade noted artefacts to Simon Templeton Create the Big Bowl for Tears of Guthix Took the Big Rock with you after King of the Dwarves Read and unlocked the Tune Bane Ore spell Claimed and read the Codex Ultimatus Claim your free Elite Clue using Ava’s Alerter after the Do No Evil quest Claim the gems hidden in the demon throne after Shadow of the Storm Post-Quest Tasks (Things you can do after a quest to get stuff!) Unlocked all routes in the Balloon Transport System Collected all of Blood Pact’s demon statuettes. Completed Broken Home post-quest challenges and opened all chests Completed 5 supply runs after Death Plateau Given the Apothecary Herbi Flax's diary Found all Enchanted Key treasures Fully enchanted your broomstick after Swept Away Unlock the full power of the Ivandis Flail (500 Vyre Corpses) Caught Thalassus 10 times Delivered 25 chimp ices Killed 4000 chompies Met Philipe Carnillean at all currently available locations Engraved all of Dororan's jewelery Unlocked the ability to purchase full white armour Put Arrav to rest after ROTM Unlocked all Rogue Trader merchandise Open the Dragon Forge Killed Tarn Razorlor Fully upgraded Pig Creation machine Killed all post-Smoking Kills bosses Gained access to Vanligga's yak shop All Wilderness spirit realm portals unlocked Unlocked all the Eagle Transport routes Returned Mabel's Ring after Love Story, and chop down the Guard’s tree Fully looted Movario's base Opened Uglug's Stuffies store Visited and unlocked ALL Fairy Ring locations Kill the Cave Wolf Matriarch again for Claus the chef after Carnillean Rising. Completed all activities in Guthix's shrine Illuminate all six the God books. Claim a Kipple Nano pet after Heart of Stone Took this from page 93 of the discussion thread, Helring will have to update on the changes made so far (I think adze is off and enhanced fire cape is on?) In regards to the god books, Manti will make the final call on that, we'll only know on release day. In real life MMO you don't get 99 smithing by making endless bronze daggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Claim enhanced fire cape - ew I don't wanna give up my three useful combat capes for a sucky override just to trim quest cape. Enhanced fire cape isn't even really quest related, sure beat the Kiln can be justified but why beat it 3 times with different combat styles and sacrifice your rewards forcing you to do it 3 more times to actually have decent capes to use. 2 Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradomin_Mage Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 it fits with the guidelines that the scrying pool people came up with, so it's there In real life MMO you don't get 99 smithing by making endless bronze daggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vann Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Claim enhanced fire cape - ew I don't wanna give up my three useful combat capes for a sucky override just to trim quest cape. Enhanced fire cape isn't even really quest related, sure beat the Kiln can be justified but why beat it 3 times with different combat styles and sacrifice your rewards forcing you to do it 3 more times to actually have decent capes to use.This. I don't want to lose 3m by sacrificing my capes and getting them again. That's drops it from 96m (3 capes + extra Mage for keepsake) to 93m profit from Final Boss... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I don't think it fits at all. Just because fight kiln is a quest unlock doesn't make the every last reward it offers quest related - the quest related content is completing the full version of the game which the quest unlocked. Not beating it repeatedly for an arbitary item not linked to the quest by lore or anything. 1 Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownToFletch Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Unlock the full power of the Ivandis Flail (500 Vyre Corpses)Caught Thalassus 10 timesDelivered 25 chimp icesKilled 4000 chompies literally amongst the worst stuff on that list, besides the combat reqs and 90 all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now