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I'm down and I'm okay with it, though technically they aren't mini games. No mini games are quest unlocked exactly. :P
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Yea, sorry about that, tend to combine D&Ds and Minigames in my mind since they were for a long time just called "activities" by Jagex, so I tend to forget which is which, and yea we didn't include Livid because it was completely unmentioned in any quest (except for Pauline being locked up in Dimension of Disaster, but so was Meg and she isn't a quest npc either).


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Actually I was saying the cape should be for Questers and not have RNG, bossing, or mini game requirements.

The requirements should be incidentals, not completionist activities. It should be things that people already would do or have done, not Livid Farm or 4,000 chompy kills.

A lot of this. If anything, halve or quarter the amount of livid required/chompy kills needed.


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Unlocking the first spell at Livid Farm might be fair, but it depends on how much of a learning curve it has, to be honest. If it takes hours just to learn to do it effectively it's not going to be fun for people to have that experience regardless <_<.


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Unlocking the first spell at Livid Farm might be fair, but it depends on how much of a learning curve it has, to be honest. If it takes hours just to learn to do it effectively it's not going to be fun for people to have that experience regardless <_<.

 

It takes 5 minutes to learn what to do, as it has 5 cycles of each 1 minute that repeats constantly. These set of cycles are identical as well. so if you've done the first 5, you've done all possible different cycles ;D!


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I am fine with most stuff, except that I wouldn't really like bossing to be part of it, I see bossing (or PvM as it is called?) as something totally different than questing. The same as some say minigames/D&D's are different from questing (even if they are unlocked by quests). Though honestly I would be glad with most stuff if that would mean we actually get the cape.

Wouldn't it be a nice idea to have a master quest cape, master PvM cape, master minigames cape etc.? :P And then one cape to rule them all.

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The list is really really good, I'd rather a bunch of requirements since it helps set goals. Not a fan of the Kiln requirement though. 1 kill would be fine but 3 using different styles is a little too bossing-oriented for me. And it just unlocks a cosmetic override without adding any lore or appreciably adding anything to your character.
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Don't you get it? A cosmetic override adds more value to your character than unlockable spells.

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Then you sit in front of your screen, click, stare, drool and try not to slit your wrists.

you see I was going to go to med school and become a psychiatrist, and from the classes I took over the last 2 years make me think you're quite the... interesting person

 

as for these reqs, I can kinda see why some bossing might be involved. In WGS you had to deal with all of the generals from GWD as well as others from other portions of the game. The books aren't incredibly hard to come by from my experience either. But this cape screams 90+ all to me which I'm not in favor of as mentioned previously. I feel it really separates people interested in quests from people that have better skills, not that those 2 don't share many of the same people... Do you guys see what I'm trying to stab at here? Or am I trying to eat pudding in the dark with a fork? 


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Don't you get it? A cosmetic override adds more value to your character than unlockable spells.

 

No one ever said the livid spells were worthless. But Livid had nothing at all to do with Questing. It was just a minigame that happened to be in a quest locked area, like Trouble Brewing is. Kiln however, was introduced in a Quest, and is a post-quest activity. Its not about what is useful, Kiln is tied to Quests and Livid wasn't. Its not about whats useful but defining what things are linked to quests and what ones aren't.


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Then you sit in front of your screen, click, stare, drool and try not to slit your wrists.

you see I was going to go to med school and become a psychiatrist, and from the classes I took over the last 2 years make me think you're quite the... interesting person

 

as for these reqs, I can kinda see why some bossing might be involved. In WGS you had to deal with all of the generals from GWD as well as others from other portions of the game. The books aren't incredibly hard to come by from my experience either. But this cape screams 90+ all to me which I'm not in favor of as mentioned previously. I feel it really separates people interested in quests from people that have better skills, not that those 2 don't share many of the same people... Do you guys see what I'm trying to stab at here? Or am I trying to eat pudding in the dark with a fork? 

 

 

Yea, Dishonour Among Thieves and Broken home both have postquest rewards that require all skills at 90+ to unlock the chests. So the cape will require at least all 90's, although depending where it settles that may not be the highest skills.


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Livid's linked to quests unless you believe the Lunar spellbook has absolutely nothing to do with quests. You get the spellbook with Lunar Diplomacy, you get an extension with Dream Mentor, and you fill the rest of the slots on the farm. Even Pauline is in Lunar Diplomacy, you get the cape from her.

Trouble Brewing has no unlockables. It's not even remotely related to Cabin Fever. Livid is linked by the spellbook, and the characters who were introduced in Lunar Diplomacy, Lokar and Pauline, who are running this farm after the incidents of Lunar Diplomacy.

E: Anyway, Manti's already mentioned that Livid is off, so whatever. I'm sure you've had this discussion a hundred times over in that thread.

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Livid's linked to quests unless you believe the Lunar spellbook has absolutely nothing to do with quests. You get the spellbook with Lunar Diplomacy, you get an extension with Dream Mentor, and you fill the rest of the slots on the farm. Even Pauline is in Lunar Diplomacy, you get the cape from her.

Trouble Brewing has no unlockables. It's not even remotely related to Cabin Fever. Livid is linked by the spellbook, and the characters who were introduced in Lunar Diplomacy, Lokar and Pauline, who are running this farm after the incidents of Lunar Diplomacy.

 

Livid came out 5-6 years after Lunar diplomacy and wasn't even mentioned in the quest. All of the minigames going on the cape were actually introduced in the quests. You literally do a Court Case in a quest, you do a stripped down version of the Elder Kiln in a quest, same with phoenix. All the minigames planned to go on the cape are literally done in the quests, and have some sort of permanent unlock. Also, Court Cases are more of a miniquest than minigame anyway since they have their own storyline and aren't repeatable.

 

The Lunar spellbook is unlocked in a quest, but that doesn't mean all future spells for it are quest related. Just like Trouble Brewing is unlocked in a quest area. There's no mention of Livid in any quests, and the spells are a very tenuous link at best. They took two NPC that exist and made a farming minigame thats unrelated to the quest. 


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Don't you get it? A cosmetic override adds more value to your character than unlockable spells.

 

No one ever said the livid spells were worthless. But Livid had nothing at all to do with Questing. It was just a minigame that happened to be in a quest locked area, like Trouble Brewing is. Kiln however, was introduced in a Quest, and is a post-quest activity. Its not about what is useful, Kiln is tied to Quests and Livid wasn't. Its not about whats useful but defining what things are linked to quests and what ones aren't.

 

I'll be honest even with spotlight I've been playing like 7 years and have never once played a game of Trouble Brewing.

 

Livid's linked to quests unless you believe the Lunar spellbook has absolutely nothing to do with quests. You get the spellbook with Lunar Diplomacy, you get an extension with Dream Mentor, and you fill the rest of the slots on the farm. Even Pauline is in Lunar Diplomacy, you get the cape from her.

Trouble Brewing has no unlockables. It's not even remotely related to Cabin Fever. Livid is linked by the spellbook, and the characters who were introduced in Lunar Diplomacy, Lokar and Pauline, who are running this farm after the incidents of Lunar Diplomacy.

E: Anyway, Manti's already mentioned that Livid is off, so whatever. I'm sure you've had this discussion a hundred times over in that thread.

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Is Lunar diplomacy required to max? No. That's what a lot of people aim for. Is it required for comp? Yes. But comp is difficult and I don't feel that many people go for it/get it. 

 

At least it's off, that's nice. half chompy kills or something next, at least


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One could argue Livid Farm is quest related because until you do Lunar Diplomacy Pauline does not open Livid Farm.

 

You can do Trouble Brewing as soon as you can get to Mos Le Harmless by starting the quest, but you can't do Livid until you beat Lunar Diplomacy.


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E: Anyway, Manti's already mentioned that Livid is off, so whatever. I'm sure you've had this discussion a hundred times over in that thread.
 

 

My side of it, yea, although unfortunately most of the opposite side just responded by calling us lazy or thick headed (despite the fact that I've completed Livid already for comp). So, while I disagree with it being quest related, I do appreciate that you explain your side instead of resorting to just insults =)


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Then you sit in front of your screen, click, stare, drool and try not to slit your wrists.

you see I was going to go to med school and become a psychiatrist, and from the classes I took over the last 2 years make me think you're quite the... interesting

Oooh child, you have no idea. That's also the nicest anyone on here has ever put it.

Livid is dead, let's all raise our glasses, toast to sympathy for normal players, and move on.
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Then you sit in front of your screen, click, stare, drool and try not to slit your wrists.

you see I was going to go to med school and become a psychiatrist, and from the classes I took over the last 2 years make me think you're quite the... interesting

Oooh child, you have no idea. That's also the nicest anyone on here has ever put it.

Livid is dead, let's all raise our glasses, toast to sympathy for normal players, and move on.

 

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current req list by Amascut, looking pretty complete

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All quests complete
100% completion of every Fremennik saga
Completed Stronghold of Player
Safety & Stronghold of Security
Gained max Varrock Musuem Kudos

Minigames, D&Ds, and Activities
Completed all Court Cases
Claimed an Enhanced Fire Cape override
Fully completed Temple Trekking
Lit the whole Beacon network and claim all three rewards from King Roald
Defeated the Phoenix once after In Pyre Need
Trimmed back the Jade Vine once (claimed the higher experience reward)
Unlocked the Firemaker's Outfit from the circus

MiniQuests
Unlocked the Abyss
Completed the 3 Buyers and Cellars capers
The Curse of Zaros complete
The General’s Shadow completed
Completed Doric & Boric's tasks
Put Clarence to rest
Hopespear's Will complete
Koschei's Troubles completed & all Kharshai's Memories unlocked (all Balmung colours)
Unlocked the Purple Cat
Found the Hidden Ga'al and read the Ful bookshelf
Rag and Bone Man & Fur'n'seek wishlists done and killed the Skeletal Horror once
Completed Sheep Shearer & Witch's Potion
Completed all Quest reworks that can be replayed
Obtained a Distorted Engrammeter on Freneskae (completed Mahjarrat memories)
Completed the God Emissaries miniquest by unlocking all pages of the Book of the Gods.

Titles
Unlock the Vyrelord title
Unlock the Annihilator title

Post-Quest XP Rewards
Claimed 400k experience following While Guthix Sleeps
Claimed the XP reward after Blood Runs Deep
Claimed experience from Daero following Monkey Madness

Lorebooks/Journals/Similar
Completed the Azdaran document
Completed the Voice of the Elders in Prifddinas
Cleansed the murals in adamant dragon dungeon and Mount Firewake & updated the Dragonkin Primer
Given completed Scabarite notes to Abigail
Found Sakirth, Strisath, and Kalibath's Journals and Phalaks' Experiment Log from Adamant Dragons
Found all of the Bandos Memories
Claimed the Zaros and Seren head overrides after Fate of the Gods (unlocked all Freneskae Memoriam Crystals)
Unlocked all Prifddinas Memoriam Crystals
Used The Measure to find the four Elder Chronicles
Used Elder Divination to find the Elder Chronicles

Post-Quest Rewards (Xp lamp claims, items, and abilities)
Unlock Char's training cave and make a Zaros symbol
Digsite pendant ability unlocked
Helm of Trials unlocked
Claimed Ancient Bones from Father Aereck after The Restless Ghost
All rewards unlocked from Dimension of Disaster, including the tasks
Unlocked all Death of Chivalry post-quest rewards (Xp, Gilded Cabbage, cosmetics)
Fairy Tale III post quest rewards (incl. all experience and items claimed and excl. tooth creature)
Obtained the Holy Cithara
Opened all chests after Dishonour among Thieves
Claimed 10k gold from Bill Teach after Rum Dead
Obtained a medium XP lamp post-Heart of Stone
Unlocked the ability to chip teleport tablets
Unlocked the God Wars Dungeon teleport spell
Unlocked all rewards from Missing, Presumed Death
Fate of the Gods post quest rewards (XP lamps, helm of Zaros, Crest of Seren, 6a-circuit upgrade, Sliske's Gift)
Gained access to the secret treasure room post-Diamond in the Rough
Gained access to the secret treasure room post-Do No Evil
Get all experience from the cave paintings in the Land of Snow and return the Yeti Dung to Explorer Jack
Spoken to Azacorax after Rune Memories and gained Prayer or Magic XP
Claimed all One of a Kind post-quest rewards
Gained the extra constitution XP after Song from the Depths
Plague’s End post-quest rewards (Ability to grow 3 spirit trees, Magic, Divination, Melee, Slayer and Smithing XP lamps)
Unlock the ability to trade noted artefacts to Simon Templeton
Create the Big Bowl for Tears of Guthix
Took the Big Rock with you after King of the Dwarves
Read and unlocked the Tune Bane Ore spell
Claimed and read the Codex Ultimatus
Claim your free Elite Clue using Ava’s Alerter after the Do No Evil quest
Claim the gems hidden in the demon throne after Shadow of the Storm

Post-Quest Tasks (Things you can do after a quest to get stuff!)
Unlocked all routes in the Balloon Transport System
Collected all of Blood Pact’s demon statuettes.
Completed Broken Home post-quest challenges and opened all chests
Completed 5 supply runs after Death Plateau
Given the Apothecary Herbi Flax's diary
Found all Enchanted Key treasures
Fully enchanted your broomstick after Swept Away
Unlock the full power of the Ivandis Flail (500 Vyre Corpses)
Caught Thalassus 10 times
Delivered 25 chimp ices
Killed 4000 chompies
Met Philipe Carnillean at all currently available locations
Engraved all of Dororan's jewelery
Unlocked the ability to purchase full white armour
Put Arrav to rest after ROTM
Unlocked all Rogue Trader merchandise
Open the Dragon Forge
Killed Tarn Razorlor
Fully upgraded Pig Creation machine
Killed all post-Smoking Kills bosses
Gained access to Vanligga's yak shop
All Wilderness spirit realm portals unlocked
Unlocked all the Eagle Transport routes
Returned Mabel's Ring after Love Story, and chop down the Guard’s tree
Fully looted Movario's base
Opened Uglug's Stuffies store
Visited and unlocked ALL Fairy Ring locations
Kill the Cave Wolf Matriarch again for Claus the chef after Carnillean Rising.
Completed all activities in Guthix's shrine
Illuminate all six the God books.
Claim a Kipple Nano pet after Heart of Stone



Took this from page 93 of the discussion thread, Helring will have to update on the changes made so far (I think adze is off and enhanced fire cape is on?)
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