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Yoko Kurama
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All I see here is that people are basically giving up by saying there's no way for us to compete with the other help/fan sites.

If more Tip.It members helped updating our database and used their time polishing old out-dated guides we would gain more popularity. It's simply a matter of trying. With or without J mods.

Each site has their advantages and disadvantages, we aren't done for, and we wont be thanks to those who are still keeping the site running and constantly updating the website.

If you see something that's missing, old or otherwise should be mentioned; Don't hesitate to report it out in the forums.

If I may; I'm currently working in reincarnating TMHT and at the same time spending time in updating the database. Anyone interested in joining the TMHT project please contact me as soon as you can. Happy holidays.

 

I really like TIF, and certainly do not like the lack of activity and popularity, but the times have changed. It really is not possbile to compete anymore. The predominant way to get news nowadays, for RS is Reddit, Twitter, RS homepage/forums, and Twitch. The predominant way to access high level and very up to date guides is to basically watch the top PVMers and Skillers streaming themselves on Twitch. That's not going to change and there isn't anything that can be done with that. That's just the way it is.



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All I see here is that people are basically giving up by saying there's no way for us to compete with the other help/fan sites.

If more Tip.It members helped updating our database and used their time polishing old out-dated guides we would gain more popularity. It's simply a matter of trying. With or without J mods.

Each site has their advantages and disadvantages, we aren't done for, and we wont be thanks to those who are still keeping the site running and constantly updating the website.

If you see something that's missing, old or otherwise should be mentioned; Don't hesitate to report it out in the forums.

If I may; I'm currently working in reincarnating TMHT and at the same time spending time in updating the database. Anyone interested in joining the TMHT project please contact me as soon as you can. Happy holidays.

 

I really like TIF, and certainly do not like the lack of activity and popularity, but the times have changed. It really is not possbile to compete anymore. The predominant way to get news, nowadays, for RS, is Reddit, Twitter, RS homepage/forums, and Twitch. The predominant way to access high level and very up to date guides is to basically watch the top PVMers and Skillers streaming themselves on Twitch. That's not going to change and there isn't anything that can be done with that. That's just the way it is.

 

 

Yeah. The last time I consulted the Tip.It website for any game help was when 2007scape first came out and it was basically the only way to find info on the 2007 era... and that only lasted until the 2007scape wiki was up and running. I deleted my Firefox bookmark for Tip.It years ago since I never visited it; I only use the forums now


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All I see here is that people are basically giving up by saying there's no way for us to compete with the other help/fan sites.

If more Tip.It members helped updating our database and used their time polishing old out-dated guides we would gain more popularity. It's simply a matter of trying. With or without J mods.

Each site has their advantages and disadvantages, we aren't done for, and we wont be thanks to those who are still keeping the site running and constantly updating the website.

If you see something that's missing, old or otherwise should be mentioned; Don't hesitate to report it out in the forums.

If I may; I'm currently working in reincarnating TMHT and at the same time spending time in updating the database. Anyone interested in joining the TMHT project please contact me as soon as you can. Happy holidays.

 

I really like TIF, and certainly do not like the lack of activity and popularity, but the times have changed. It really is not possbile to compete anymore. The predominant way to get news nowadays, for RS is Reddit, Twitter, RS homepage/forums, and Twitch. The predominant way to access high level and very up to date guides is to basically watch the top PVMers and Skillers streaming themselves on Twitch. That's not going to change and there isn't anything that can be done with that. That's just the way it is.

 

I disagree that there's no way to compete. I've been involved in a number of RS fansites over the years and each has been successful in their own way. You need to be able to adapt, you need to be ahead of the other sites with what you're offering and you need to do it well. This doesn't just apply to RuneScape, it applies to pretty much everything, not just games.

 

Tip.It is probably not the place where that can happen unfortunately, but that doesn't mean it can't happen elsewhere. Tip.It has not evolved when other communities came up and each of them have taken a slice of what this site used to have. I've not kept up 100% with this site since 2011 when I was admin here but it looks like not a lot has changed in that regard. There were definitely problems back then and I don't see any evidence of those problems having been resolved since.

 

So I agree that Tip.It can't compete but I don't agree that there's no way anyone can compete (which is what your post implies). It just requires someone with a great idea to come along and have the passion and commitment to see that idea through. 



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All I see here is that people are basically giving up by saying there's no way for us to compete with the other help/fan sites.

If more Tip.It members helped updating our database and used their time polishing old out-dated guides we would gain more popularity. It's simply a matter of trying. With or without J mods.

Each site has their advantages and disadvantages, we aren't done for, and we wont be thanks to those who are still keeping the site running and constantly updating the website.

If you see something that's missing, old or otherwise should be mentioned; Don't hesitate to report it out in the forums.

If I may; I'm currently working in reincarnating TMHT and at the same time spending time in updating the database. Anyone interested in joining the TMHT project please contact me as soon as you can. Happy holidays.

 

I really like TIF, and certainly do not like the lack of activity and popularity, but the times have changed. It really is not possbile to compete anymore. The predominant way to get news nowadays, for RS is Reddit, Twitter, RS homepage/forums, and Twitch. The predominant way to access high level and very up to date guides is to basically watch the top PVMers and Skillers streaming themselves on Twitch. That's not going to change and there isn't anything that can be done with that. That's just the way it is.

 

I disagree that there's no way to compete. I've been involved in a number of RS fansites over the years and each has been successful in their own way. You need to be able to adapt, you need to be ahead of the other sites with what you're offering and you need to do it well. This doesn't just apply to RuneScape, it applies to pretty much everything, not just games.

 

Tip.It is probably not the place where that can happen unfortunately, but that doesn't mean it can't happen elsewhere. Tip.It has not evolved when other communities came up and each of them have taken a slice of what this site used to have. I've not kept up 100% with this site since 2011 when I was admin here but it looks like not a lot has changed in that regard. There were definitely problems back then and I don't see any evidence of those problems having been resolved since.

 

So I agree that Tip.It can't compete but I don't agree that there's no way anyone can compete (which is what your post implies). It just requires someone with a great idea to come along and have the passion and commitment to see that idea through. 

 

 

I think you'd be better off creating your own ebook or private fansite/forum that you could monetize rather than trying to have a generic fansite that can't really compete with the wiki. There's plenty of niche topics in RS that you could dedicate an entire book or website to, sort of like that one guy whose name I've forgotten (qeltar maybe?) did back in like 2008 and the XP waste dungeoneering group did later on


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If it's not too much trouble could you see about asking Crew leader if I could come back? I'm under the impression y'all need some crewbies.

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OT: Reddit, RS Wiki, and Jagex completely checking out of caring for fansites.

The nature of RS Wiki and reddit allow them to become fundamentally bigger communities with greater wealths of knowledge much faster than a forum and site with a team of less than ten. Even if our crew was in full force, we could not compete.

However, this is not necessarily a bad thing. RS Wiki is limited in its abilities to create unique tools, something we welcome suggestions for (e.g. DGSweeper, Ports calculator, x y z planner, calculator, simulator).

We have the capability to create anything we want via custom web design, whereas the wiki format is restrictive to articles and various scripts (suggestions welcome).

I also far value the forum discussions here - they are much more real and substantive than reddit comments 'lol' 'nice' 'cool' '10/10'.
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The rise of the wiki really spelt the doom of fansites as an information source, coupled with the rise of the app which can surplant the fansite more in-depth tools in many cases.

Fansite forums are a great resource and ought to live on, but an actual fansite itself just does not have the capacity to out do a wiki in terms of breadth of info it provides and speed of content creation.

 

Couple that with Tip.it not exactly doing itself any favours in terms of getting/staying update and its a recipe for disaster.

And just to be clear by not doing itself any favours I mean the long standing issue whereby users who want to help and make the site feel better end up tired of trying to help because 9/10 suggestions/corrections get no acknowledgement and those that do a good 3/4 that are 'going to be added' never actually get done. It's an issue that has plagued the site for years now and really saw a down turn in the number of people bothering to submit corrections.


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The notion that traditional sites could compete with either the Wiki or Reddit or Twitch is purely delusional, sorry to say. No amount of changes to any of the traditional sites could make them competitive, at best they could only hope to be Wiki/Reddit 2.0, and that isn't going to be able to beat the real deal. The times have changed.



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Especially since fansite communities tend to be the result of a fair bit of investment. Like, most of the people here have been here for a while, we've got a website with a pretty well-defined culture and everyone knows everyone and so on. But to an outsider we're probably an aging, insular group that's latched on to a site with considerably worse info than the Wiki.

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Especially since fansite communities tend to be the result of a fair bit of investment. Like, most of the people here have been here for a while, we've got a website with a pretty well-defined culture and everyone knows everyone and so on. But to an outsider we're probably an aging, insular group that's latched on to a site with considerably worse info than the Wiki.

 

To be fair, most of us do not come here for the guides and stuff like that. Tip.it at one point was my go-to place for quests clues and even some PVM, and the Archive of Wisdom was pretty great at one point. These days, if I'm doing a quest right on release (which I usually do), I rely on WIki. If I'm doin the quest much later than release, then I'll typically use Tip.it and one or two other fansites (I always use multiple guides simultaneously). I also still use the Tip.it locator for clues, but I never do clues anymore, they just rot in my bank. And I don't really use the PVM guides for new high level bosses, since there's better ones out on Youtube much closer to update, and the rest is learned by experience. I come here mainly for the community.



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Especially since fansite communities tend to be the result of a fair bit of investment. Like, most of the people here have been here for a while, we've got a website with a pretty well-defined culture and everyone knows everyone and so on. But to an outsider we're probably an aging, insular group that's latched on to a site with considerably worse info than the Wiki.

 

To be fair, most of us do not come here for the guides and stuff like that. Tip.it at one point was my go-to place for quests clues and even some PVM, and the Archive of Wisdom was pretty great at one point. These days, if I'm doing a quest right on release (which I usually do), I rely on WIki. If I'm doin the quest much later than release, then I'll typically use Tip.it and one or two other fansites (I always use multiple guides simultaneously). I also still use the Tip.it locator for clues, but I never do clues anymore, they just rot in my bank. And I don't really use the PVM guides for new high level bosses, since there's better ones out on Youtube much closer to update, and the rest is learned by experience. I come here mainly for the community.

Same, really. I meant back in Ye Olde Dayse, when Tip.It had really good guides for everything.



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I just wanted to add that Tip.it is suffering from the same thing that all fan sites of any type involving gamming are now suffering from.  @YOKO KURAMA was right when above he mentioned all the others ways to gather information those same reasons killed all fan sites. While the sites themselves haven't died any revenue they did created has plummeted. They might stick around on life support because they had a large following but new user accounts will be few and as older members drop off these sites slowly die. Its sad but its the internet cycle of life so to speak. Mostly Youtube, twitch and reddit caused these down falls. Wikis also depending on the game but a lot of games the Wiki's take a while to be updated.  



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Probably still gets more new members than Runescape.
Back after a 5 year TIF hiatus. Please don't mind me too much.

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That Treasure Trail coordinate calculator though, has always been useful even with new tt locations.



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I just stopped visiting here because I don't really play RS much these days. This community was awesome, though.
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Reddit, RSWiki and complete lack of support for fansites.

The biggest RS community is now on reddit. There is simply no way for any forums to compete with that. They have a huge user advantage over the traditional forums, plus their format is simply better.

Then there's the RS Wiki. As sad as it is for me to say, fansites are mostly dead. With how quickly the Wiki updates and a complete lack of support from Jagex, there simply isn't much of a reason to venture outsite of the Wiki and reddit. If you look around on reddit, you will see countless jmods posting there every single day.

I love Tip.It and I love this community of ours, but being honest, we really cannot compete with those 2 websites, no one can.

 

I feel the demise of traditional fansites has been in tandem with RS evolving. Today everything is about EXP, as it has been for around 5 years. You can google any RS item (pretty much) and get an instant page about it on the RS wiki. Tip it can't compete with that. There was a time long ago when I had to go through the item database on this site and bestiary. Now I can google it. Some of the key things Tip it was used for; Quest guides, Treasure trails have been superseded. Demand has changed and Tip it doesn't have the reach to meet it.

 

PS: It's very sad that Jmod only began to truly interact with the community once it became a fragment of what it once was. I wish they'd talked to us more back in 2005/6 and been responsive to suggestions then (using the forums). I play LoL and Riot are willing to listen to the community unlike Jagex (well where). 



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hello just thought i drop by and say hi after a few years 8)

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On the other hand, the people here are generally friendlier than those on Reddit.


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Maybe one day things will go back to the way they were, who knows :(


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A huge and major chunk of RuneScape history has been deleted.

 

:( :( :(



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I also dont visit often its probably years since i last posted. This used to be place to find all new things what is going in game...now rsof replaced this for me.

 

btw original tip.it admin Lightning plays again active :P

 

in my opinion best era for these forums were 2002-2003...this was place what you could read all day long with bag of popcorn :P






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