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2nd November 2015 - Raptor's Challenge | Wyverns

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that didn't work anyway

 

also, key parts are "rare" drops, so they wouldn't be able to restrict it to just this month anyway


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Key parts are not dropped by raptor tasks

 

The keys and rewards will stay in the game, it is only the cosmetic armor that is limited in that you need to do 15/30 raptor tasks this month.

 

 

 

Crossbow is only useful for things you will remain in combat for more than a minute with. So really, outside of raids or vorago, not all that useful. Things that have a higher def, t90s would be better than this due to accuracy.

 

Still, it fills the gap between 1m royal bow and 200m nox/ascensions and loldarts

So what even comes out of the chest besides an upgrade to the override that is only available this month?


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Key parts are not dropped by raptor tasks

 

The keys and rewards will stay in the game, it is only the cosmetic armor that is limited in that you need to do 15/30 raptor tasks this month.

 

 

 

Crossbow is only useful for things you will remain in combat for more than a minute with. So really, outside of raids or vorago, not all that useful. Things that have a higher def, t90s would be better than this due to accuracy.

 

Still, it fills the gap between 1m royal bow and 200m nox/ascensions and loldarts

So what even comes out of the chest besides an upgrade to the override that is only available this month?

 

What's in the crate???

 

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So is the crossbow worth it for general slayer?

 

 

The bow is worse than Noxious and Ascension literally everywhere due to how long it takes to ramp up the extra damage.


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So is the crossbow worth it for general slayer?

 
 
The bow is worse than Noxious and Ascension literally everywhere due to how long it takes to ramp up the extra damage.


...and because it's T85, while the other weapons you mentioned are T90.

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it's more that there's no targets you'd be fighting for over a minute that you wouldn't just take a t90 wep to anyway


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it's more that there's no targets you'd be fighting for over a minute that you wouldn't just take a t90 wep to anyway


QBD is more than a minute and weapon tier doesn't matter there.

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it's more that there's no targets you'd be fighting for over a minute that you wouldn't just take a t90 wep to anyway


QBD is more than a minute and weapon tier doesn't matter there.

 

QBD takes me usually 1 minute and 30 seconds to kill.. Do note, that 15 seconds are the 'wake up' animation. Also if you switch targets, to hit the time stop soul, you lose your stack on qbd.


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yeah that's why i didn't mention qbd, because you can't focus fire on her without ignoring the ghosts/worms and aggressively camping the end of wave buttons


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Yeah. QBD would be that one place where it would be possible for the t85 bow to be better due to the amount of LP it has and the high accuracy you have with Dbane, but it just isn't due to a multitude of reasons.

 

 

 

 

Given unlimited hp and 100% accuracy, the wyvern bow is better dps than t90. However, that scenario just doesn't exist.


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“Mmmhmm.”

 


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It really irks me that melee will have 2 DW options for T85 and no 2H after they release the claws (unless they decide, for some reason, to make them 2H).



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Would hope claws be 2h.

There isn't a t85 2h, melee yet

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Welp, claws aren't 2h.. and are dropped seperatly


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Welp, claws aren't 2h.. and are dropped seperatly


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Mr G W's information regarding the crossbow on reddit:

Passive mechanic

- Every damaging hit has around 1/2 chance of applying a poison bleed. This bleed lasts for 6 hits and does 12-25 damage.
- Every time the passive activates again, the bleed duration is reset and the damage is increased.
- This bleed can hit any NPC, even those with poison immunity.
- This bypasses mechanics such as Araxxor's web shield and mirrorback spiders so you won't take deflect damage. It will however, stop Araxxor from healing off its web shield.

Haven't had the chance to test how it stacks if multiple people attack the same target. If you have a wyvern bow and want to help test, let me know.


Comparison

- T85 weapons have around 8% less accuracy and around 4.5% less damage than t90.
- This assumes 99 stats and the respective weapons with no boosts.
- With boosts, the values are 6% and 3.5% respectively.
- This means wyvern bow is approximately between 10% - 12% dps loss if accuracy matters or 3.5% - 4.5% if it does not.
- The passive maxes out at about 125-250 damage per 2 ticks, so this averages out to around 9375 damage per minute.
- It takes around 30-40 seconds for the passive to max out.

So depending on how much your DPS loss is when downgrading to t85 and depending on your damage per minute with t90, it is possible to calculate in which circumstances wyvern's passive is worth the reduced stats:

- If t85 is a 3.5% dps loss, then wyvern surpasses if your t90 dpm is 267857 or less
- If t85 is a 4.5% dps loss, then wyvern surpasses if your t90 dpm is 208333 or less
- If t85 is a 10% dps loss, then wyvern surpasses if your t90 dpm is 93750 or less
- If t85 is a 12% dps loss, then wyvern surpasses if your t90 dpm is 78125 or less

For reference, t90 weapons can reach around 100k-150k DPM.


That being said:

- Wyvern crossbow surpasses t90 for long fights where accuracy is perfect with either weapons.
- t90 remain the superior choice for short fights or fights where accuracy is not perfect.




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Basically, incredibly niche almost to the point of uselessness. Unless they add med level mobs that have 100k+ health... which they should start doing, not all that great


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Basically, incredibly niche almost to the point of uselessness. Unless they add med level mobs that have 100k+ health... which they should start doing, not all that great

I think you are onto something pretty interesting. A miniboss similar to qbd fight length and progression. I mean longer fights are cool, but what if your rewards were based on how you handled the fight mechanics and not how much brute force you put into achieving the kill? What im saying is what if you had a monster with 100k lp with a set of mechanics. Depending on how well you handled each mechanic you would store up points in a behind the scenes system that scaled your rewards.

For example a boss with an ability you needed to dodge, another you needed to mitigate with barricade and another you had to disrupt. So for each time those abilities proced the behind the scenes system would tally it. Here is a run down of what a successful kill might look like.

Mitigated ability: 3/4
Disrupted ability: 2/2
Barricaded ability: 2/3

Now for simplicties sake i know barricaded and mitigated pretty much mean the same, but this example is more contextual than that.

Jagex could then add aome weight to each type of tally depending on the skill or importance to each ability used. From this set up the player would have tallied up and successfully handled 7/9 of the monsters special attacks thrown at them. So then the player would receive 7/9ths of the reward they would have gotten.



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So, basically like araxxor mechanics.. I would like that

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So, basically like araxxor mechanics.. I would like that

Yeah i suppose... but more like vorago i think.



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