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Yeah initiate needs 20 defense because it is equivalent to mith but has a prayer bonus. Thats why some pures get 20 def, because of initiate and mystics.

Yeah thats what Im thinking just get 20 and pk with initiate, whip, and dds, but I keep hearing rune pures are good too im not sure.

Ive got a member str pure and ATM his stats are 62 str, 60 att, 1 def, and the rest dont matter. I am getting hit too much right now, to the point where I cant even get off all four dagger specs without having to eat. I aim to have 70 attack+whip, and 80+ strength eventually, should I keep my guy one defense or make him a mystic/rune pure and which one? Right now I am leaning towards mystic because of initiates pray bonus and it will help a little but wont raise my combat all that much. Thanks. By the way I only plan on getting defense after 70 att and at least 80 str.

Same thing here I've got 9 black marks and am perma muted yet it shows nothing under offenses, Jagex blows balls.