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well i did 3 trips in barrows today and 1st trip i got double item ahrim staff and dh legs but on the 3rd load, i didn't expect this lol at first i was 2 lazy to post this but ...just read the comments those noobs made me do it :wall: :wall:

omgz nao i no how to range abbies!!!

I've done more PVP (over 900 hours and counting) then almost anyone else I've ever met. And torso stinks for PVP, very badly. Barrows makes it look pathetic. If you can't afford the 3k per hour repair cost you shouldn't be doing PVP, as you would have to do 2,000+ hours of PVP just to break even with the time spent on torso - all the time fighting with vastly inferior torso stats. Perception. Some ppl prefer the torso over barrows like me. To me winning a fight isn't everything. I want to own...and if i lose so be it. I still remembered the time i hit 46 on my 99 def friend, he higher lvl then me. I 3 hit him. U may say its luck but i hit the 46. Which wuld not of happend without the +4 str bonus from the torso. everying goes backt o perception and my\others views you can say torso is inferior as much as you want. but to me its not, to others its not. and i stand by my point.

Here's some FACTS. Your having a problem confusing them with opinions: [FACTS] Torso is NOT worth getting, the time taken to get a torso far outweighs the benefits If you do get a torso, you will get faster XP by dropping it and putting on a proslyte plate\dharoks plate. On certain strength levels it will raise your max hit by 1, but this is fairly unlikely and will most likely not be noticeable; a significant amount of XP will be sacrificed for this. [/FACTS] [OPINION] Every now and then I hit 1 higher with torso, even though I'm getting less XP, I prefer that over getting more XP but occasionally seeing 1 lower hit with a different platebody [/OPINION] Ur "facts" does not answer my perception argument. I value torso above any extra exp i wuld of lost trying to get it. So in the end, I wont' drop torso thxkbai. Anywayz by the time i max my stats, i really could careless about faster exp i can get. 8 hours to getting torso doesn't mean that i am going to use 8 hours on training or making money. If u say in the long run that torso isn't worth it, but we only dumped 8 hours on it. There isn't any guarantee that in those 8 hours anyway wuld train.

I'm not always efficient, but I do factor fun into it : Incorrect. Realistically: Even if you love BA and do end up getting a torso, simply drop it; your wasting a bank space. Wrong. See above. Regardless of how much you love BA, you might as well drop the torso. It's worthless. I view differently. I like the torso, I wont drop it because its worth it to me. Its worth the time i spent on it.

But why? The +4 str is not worth the time you lost. It just mathematically isn't. be more specific please. additionally, i will stand on my argument. I value torso and its +4 str over any money, and exp i could of gotten. Mathematically, I don't care. lol no offense, but it gets it through i think. Be more specific? Read my post. Your wasting millions and slowing your training down for the imaginary 'training' advantage you think your getting. But like i said, I value torso over all that. it goes back a perception argument. If someone likes torso, they get it because they like it and it outweighs any exp or money they would get. No, it will not outweigh any exp or money they would get unless they train for hundreds of millions of exp. Perception is useless here, you are fundamentally wrong. 1 + 1 cannot be perceived to equal anything other than 2. The fun factor holds no mathematical value, so please stop using that. I disagree with that; fun is very important. The problem is, most of the torso are being obtained via the incorrect assumption that they are worth using, not because players love BA. The reality is that your better off dropping it. See above. perception is the whole argument here, please do not dismiss it as my opinion, as this whole thing is ur opinion as well. What your trying to do is trying to take my viewpoint away. I value torso over any time wasted on doing anything else. if there is nothing u can say to that then don't. But don't dismiss it as something that counter acts and disagrees with ur "fact" about torso not being worth it. as i said, i percieve\value torso differently.

Playing the game for FUN. Exactly what I do. I happen to hate BA, and there's a multitude of threads asking 'is fighter torso really worth it?'. No, it's not, your waisting a huge amount of time. If you really enjoy BA more then anything else in game you could be doing (I love PVP, as an example), then sure, go ahead and have fun; consider the torso a slight bonus that would be better off dropped :P (proslyte\dh plate > torso for everything) For the rest of us who don't love BA, it's not worth getting. And I happen to enjoy conceiving the best way to be efficient. Hence why I do it, even if it isn't efficient : How ironic, mr. efficiency isn't efficient. Anywho, yeah it isn't worth it, unless you enjoy seeing slightly higher hits, or if you care about looks, neither of these are very efficient. i agree, but the bottom line is IF U DONT' LIKE TORSO\ BA, u think its a waste of time, not worth it IF U DO LIKE TORSO\BA, u think torso is definately worth it. perception ppl. lets stop repeating what we already said and just end this, we think differently on how torso is valued

Playing the game for FUN. Exactly what I do. I happen to hate BA, and there's a multitude of threads asking 'is fighter torso really worth it?'. No, it's not, your waisting a huge amount of time. If you really enjoy BA more then anything else in game you could be doing (I love PVP, as an example), then sure, go ahead and have fun; consider the torso a slight bonus that would be better off dropped :P (proslyte\dh plate > torso for everything) For the rest of us who don't love BA, it's not worth getting. And I happen to enjoy conceiving the best way to be efficient. Hence why I do it, even if it isn't efficient : Perception: if you don't like BA, then there is no reason y u should get torso, because u prob don't value it as much.

But why? The +4 str is not worth the time you lost. It just mathematically isn't. be more specific please. additionally, i will stand on my argument. I value torso and its +4 str over any money, and exp i could of gotten. Mathematically, I don't care. lol no offense, but it gets it through i think. Be more specific? Read my post. Your wasting millions and slowing your training down for the imaginary 'training' advantage you think your getting. But like i said, I value torso over all that. it goes back a perception argument. If someone likes torso, they get it because they like it and it outweighs any exp or money they would get.

Yes, but then I'd have to get into the whole degrading thing argument, even though it's obviously worth it. This was just a very simple yet very efficient way to silence torso advocates; save yourself 6m and buy an adamant chainbody for faster training. It's a great way to argue, even though it seems absurd when you first look at it :P Perception. I value the torso then 6 mil, additionally, faster training eventually is irrelevant when u max your stats. I want to hit 46s on whip without buying a bandos plate, which is 12mil. Like i said, my perception shifts my view and I do not evaluate any mathematical data or any efficiency that saves me if i don't get the torso.

But why? The +4 str is not worth the time you lost. It just mathematically isn't. be more specific please. additionally, i will stand on my argument. I value torso and its +4 str over any money, and exp i could of gotten. Mathematically, I don't care. lol no offense, but it gets it through i think.

its all based on perception i value the torso and its +4 str over the money i could of made or and exp i could of gotten lost in getting the torso at barb assault

get tassets nub!!! ur slayer outfit shks@@!@!@!@! haha am i in ur 97 atk pic yet

go dai :wall: :wall: oh...i look hawt in hd \

lassar teleport lol while watching the olympics i was 95 magic on monday, then got 99 on friday. Yeah thats right, i clocked around 800k exp per day. If u noticed how law rune prices has sharply dropped 40gp for some reason, tho i can't prove it thats all my part, but lets just say i have a major part in making it drop... For the ppl that goes like 4 99s isn't a big deal or stuff or its an easy cape. I can agree wit you that combat is easy but exp is still exp there is no way u can clock more than a set exp per hour for a skill.