If Alexa is to be believed (Since people loved quoting it in regards to the game's decline and assuming I'm reading it right), IVP's thing is working. So we'd have a choice between a dead game that we used to like and a living game that we used to like. Either way, we'll complain about how everything sucks compared to the "good old days" :razz: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/runescape.com shows a significant rise in reach after a massive decline. Guess we're going to have to settle for the lesser of two evils.