Thanks yet again, both of you. For the most part, i was curious as to weather familiarization would be best at either waterfiends or lobs, although your explanation of waterfiends vs lobs was basically why i choose lobs, I want the steel titan, moreless the dragon :) How long roughly did those 20k casts take? And with the ROW update, i read on one guide to bring rol and seers and switch to rol for lures, rather then seers bring along the row...I could probally use this if I'm still noob when the update comes.