[hide=] The Holy Wrench isn't worth it, unless you are sure you can manage which much less prayer (good at safespotting). If you are, replace a pot with a wrench. If you still have pots left, swap the sup restores for prayer pots (they're a little cheaper). Also, how do you die at the 360s? Don't you pray? And if you run out of pots too soon, try to safespot some more, especially against the 180s. Finally, I just wanna add that going to Tormented Demons is a good way of training prayer switching. It forces you to keep a constant eye at their attacks and even their pray. They are harder than Jad, but without the 62 waves. [/hide] One more reason to finish my last 40 qp's for wgs lol I didn't die on accident from them, i drank my last sup restore and knew i was done for before i even died... (jad was coming next round, and time is money, so wasn't worth it imo 30 p points left and jad to go.) just bad luck i guess.. oo and this was with the pure range method, looking @ my stats, do you think guth/with either karils or crystal bow Hybrid would be better for me then if i was to range? Thanx, ohrty