Zamorakshadow

THIS. The 100% player made market was just beautiful to see. So were the "Fast Free Law Runes". Though, people will always chose convenience over nostalgia. IF there was a GE on other cities ( obviously including Falador), and if GE-guided prices were removed, than very likely Falador W2 would return. But the way things are today, we are gonna have to handle the lag on the Varrock GE forever.

He said it would take a few days to implement Wildy, staking & trade ( since they still have those saved and only need to put them back), but he said it would take "a while" to move the minigames and quests away from the Wild. Though he said they'd get the whole team working on it to do it quickly. So i believe we are gonna get it by late January/early February. Perhaps we'll get Free trade and staking before we get Wildy back, since those wouldn't require any change and would take a few days to be 100% ready. I just hope they move the BH crater and bring Wildy back to it's former proportions, i miss the Bone Yard and the Battle Field... As for the scamming argument happening here: We have 2 trade screens, flashing red signs, the Wildy Wall ( that shouldn't exist IMO) and the GE will still be here. Scamming won't be NEARLY the same problem it used to be. Children that get scammed in these conditions are likely under 13, and in my opinion they shouldn't even be playing in the first place ( freaking "Quick Chat..."). Also, if your child gets scammed, you can now give him money to help him. And hell, most veteran players i know actually laugh when they think of the first mith scimitar they got scammed off. Being scammed is a bad way of learning things, but learning things as a new player used to be the coolest part of being a newbie, and this has died ever since Jagex started completely bubble wrapping new players. Not saying anti-scamming measures are bad, just saying there is TOO MUCH protection of newbies: Make a new account and play with it for a while to see for yourself. I found the system treating me like a baby to be offensive. Voting "No" for free trade/wild/staking over scamming alone is a bad choice. Free trade will bring A LOT of good things: Kill merch clans, kill 76k trickers, bring old RCing back ( the assyst syste just isn't the same thing...), make the Wilderness EXCITING again (used to be my favorite place when i was a newbie, even if i lost Silverlight 4 times in there), make Staking exciting and profitable again, maybe make transformation skills profitable again ( hello smithing!) whit out their reliance on the GE, bring oldschool trading back ( Varrock W1 and Fally W2 were simply beautiful things...), make the reward system of PVP stop being so problematic ( winning 1M by making the guy lose 76k doesn't work, and in it's time this system caused deflation and then inflation), bring gift giving and drop parties back... The only problems that will come back will be RWT and bots ( and NO ONE that cares about the game wants that), but if Jagex believes they can fight them this time, why not give it a try? R.I.P: Iron longsword i lost to those Monks of Zamorak. DAMN YOU ZAMORAK WINE!

Funny you think free trade would cause inflation, when the PVP worlds and the GE were pretty inflationary. Does anyone remember how PVP worlds first caused Deflation because it was adding items into the economy ( Dragon Full Helm fell from 40m to 13m!), and then Inflation when Jagex substituted item drops with Statuettes? Not to mention the 76k trick... And also, Free trade would finally kill Merch Clans. The current system distorts prices more than anything. 1k Laws example is also bad, if anything getting runes would be EASIER, because the old Runecrafting would come back with free trade. All you need is 26 pure ess's and you'll be able to get all the Law Runes you want. Prices surely will raise for a while when Wildy is back, but the raise won't last for long, things will eventually stabilize. The High leveled content will be moved from the Wilderness. I don't see any reason for why it has to be there, and if you think it does, than be ready to face risk. And FFS half of your argument relies on stereotyping PKers. I'll admit PKers aren't the most polite group ever, but the "Community" isn't much better than what it was back in 2006 when i first started playing, and building your whole argument based on stereotypes sounds immature to me. If anything the number of kids has only increased in the last years. As for the PKers trolling here and the Skillers getting mad, CALM DOWN PEOPLE. You're just being trolled. This IS the internet afterall. Again, you people are stereotyping all PKers based on a single troll on TIF forums. IT'S A TROLL. Getting worked up over something so small and stereotyping millions of players over it isn't exactly a sign of the "Maturity"you people like to use like an argument. Truth is: The Wilderness is supposed to be DANGEROUS. It always was. The Revenants are a pathetic joke, and only pose a real danger in f2p. Lurers are indeed morons, but we have the freaking Wildy Wall for that (though it is unnecessary and caused trouble, IMO. Before it was added we still had a pop-up warning before the Wildy entrance and it worked fine for anyone with a brain). You can call PKers that target skillers and people doing TT "Bullies morons immature kids etc etc", and several of them are that indeed, but in the end: People who enter the Wilderness, regardless of their objective are there to face DANGER and get a REWARD. Green dragons and Clue Scrolls co-existed with PKers for YEARS, and everything always went FINE. Will also be better for you skillers than what it used to be, since green dragons exist in other areas now. If anything Green Drags and Clue Scrolls will be more valued now. Also, for the joy of the skillers, transformation skills like Smithing can possibly become profitable again whit out their reliance on the GE. Most of the things you go to the Wildy for today will also be moved, so no problem there. The ONLY argument against Wildy and Trade that is actually valid is the "RWT and bots would come back" one, but since Jagex believes they can fight them today ( RWT being banned in China, better anti-bot technologies, banks not threatening Jagex anymore, and all that), the argument is still problematic. And curiously, it is the only argument i haven't seen ITT...

Actually, i'm pretty sure he did... Read the Old Testament and he says stuff worse than that...

There's a small difference between not being able of contacting a site and not contacting... erm... God. Well, in the Old Testament stories he kills a few Million people , not to mention all the [cabbage] that was done in his name, there are lots brainwashed religious people ( like the woman who didn't get a job because she though God would giver her food -.-) that only get trouble because of their fanaticism ( next time i hear of a Jehovah Witness that died because he didn't want a blood transfusion i'll go mad), and idk about where you guys live, but around HERE religion is THE biggest scam of all time. Save a few nice churches, the preachers around here are big scammers.

Wow.... long time reading about Quantum Mechanics, Particle Physics ,String Theory, Loop Gravity Theory, and when i finally think i might be understanding it you guys come and make me even more confuse :?

Who the hell said Big Bang theory talks about particles colliding? Big Bang Theory shows that the Universe expanded from a singularity 15 bilhon years ago. Scientists don't know what caused it, but they are trying to find out though. I heard about String-Theory / M-Theory talking about our Universe ( and possible other Universes) being the result of the shock of P-Brane, but String Theory isn't proven ( Hell, String Theory is just a mathematical model that makes accurate mathematical predictions and wierd untested non-mathematical predictions), and i don't knowmuch about it, so i'm not gonna go in detail about it. And i'm not even sure if there is a "nothing" in Science. I heard that there are particles that come out of nothing and dissapear right after, coming and dissapearing all the time ( i don't know much about this though, anyone can confirm this pl0x?), not to mention how 96% of our Universe ( what we used to think was "Nothing") is now known to be made of Dark Matter and Dark Energy ( and we have no idea what the hell that is...). So, i don't know if Science taught us you can't create something from nothing, not only because particles seem to come from nothing all the time, but because i don't even know if there is a "Nothing" at all :blink: Aargh, Physics make my head hurts :-?

Have you watched the videos i posted in response to you? Or even read my response at all ( please do read it, took some time to write that :evil: )? Abiogenesis is proven possible, and it is also proven possible that this "1 cell" can form Multicellular beings with sexual reproduction ( which accelerates Evolution, a lot), complex genetic code and a primitive brain. And all of thoose formed over 2 bilhon years ago. Bilhons, if not trilhons of other generations made theese things more and more complex in theese 2 bilhon years of Evolution. The idea of everything being the result of a simple cell evolving is pretty wierd, but the experiments show it is possible. Good to see that you are a rational human being though :thumbup: Yay for Agnostics. Believing in the same thing you do; does not make you a rational human being. He doesn't believe the same thing i do -.- BUT, he was able of reading the full Bible ( something almost no Christians do theese days -.-), question his beliefs, and actually think about it. Doubting stuff, researching about it, and coming to a conclusion. EDIT: And has he already said, he was open minded. That is something i value A LOT, since no one seems to be capable of admitting they might be wrong or considering other hipothesis for once.

Have you watched the videos i posted in response to you? Or even read my response at all ( please do read it, took some time to write that :evil: )? Abiogenesis is proven possible, and it is also proven possible that this "1 cell" can form Multicellular beings with sexual reproduction ( which accelerates Evolution, a lot), complex genetic code and a primitive brain. And all of thoose formed over 2 bilhon years ago. Bilhons, if not trilhons of other generations made theese things more and more complex in theese 2 bilhon years of Evolution. The idea of everything being the result of a simple cell evolving is pretty wierd, but the experiments show it is possible. Good to see that you are a rational human being though :thumbup: Yay for Agnostics.

Wow, complicated. Good i like complicated stuff :thumbup: Now, this first video here shows not only A LOT of evidence for Evolution, but lists transitional fossils from primitive Jawless Fish to Humans: [hide]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nj587d5ies[/hide] Now, the history of the Universe, from Big Bang to us: Big Bang to Solar System: [hide] The Big Bang was an expansion of the Universe from a singularity that happened 15 bilhon years ago. We know it happened, because all predictions made on Big Bang Theory ( galaxies moving away from the same point, abundance of basic chemicals, background radiation) are right. In the beggining, the Universe was very hot, but as it expanded it started to cool down. The matter in that time used to be just loose protons, neutrons and electrons flying around, and once the Universe cooled, they joined togheter making Hydrogen and Helium. atoms. At that time, over 90% of all matter was HYdrogen, and the rest Helium. Gravity pulled Hydrogen and Helium togheter to form gigantic clouds. Someone who knows how stars form would know what happens next. Stars form when Hydrogen starts "fusion", and fusion only starts in extreme conditions. Inside the clouds, there was an enourmous heat and pressure, and the clouds were always spinning faster and faster, until Hydrogen entered fusion. "Fusion" is when two atoms fuse to form a heavier atom of another element, and releasing enourmous heat and energy in the proccess. When 2 atoms fuse in the cloud, the heat they release make closer atoms fuse, and the chain reactions makes the whole cloud become a star. The first stars formed a few milhons of years after Big Bang. Now, stars are the "element" factories in the universe. Fusion creates new heavier elements, and the Hydrogen fusion of the stars started creating all elements of the Periodic Table, Oxygen, Carbon, Iron, Sulphur, all known elements started being made inside the Stars. When the Hydrogen of the star ends, it collapses and blow up, throwing all theese elements into space, and the shockwave of the explosion makes near HYdrogen clouds spin faster, accelerating the procces of making new stars. Theese new elements started making everything we know: Metals made rocks, that formed asterois, comets and planets, Oxygen and Hydrogen made water, Carbon made organic molecules... Anyone with basic Chemistry knowledge knows how all theese elements make everything around us. 10 bilhon years after the Big Bang, our Solar System first formed out of a Hydrogen cloud and heavier elements.[/hide] Solar System to first forms of life: [hide]Our solar System formed just likeany other star and planets: A hydrogen cloud made a star, and the heavier elements created the planets. Our Sun formed 10 bilhion years after the Big Bang and formation of the first stars, so there was a lot of theese new elements. Our Solar System is very rich in both Water and Organic Molecules ( both very common in the Universe), and this is what would make life first appear. This video explains how life (possibly) first formed out of theese Organic Molecules: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg[/hide] Evolution of Early life: [hide] This series of videos explain how the Genetic Code, Meiosis ( "primitive sex"), "modern" sexual reproduction and the brain first formed after that unicelular vesicle formed in the primitive Earth. I'll have to leave them in link form, because there is a limit on how many media files we can put -.- Note that the creator of the videos also had a video on how multicelular life first formed, but he had to remove it, because it contained the results of a scientists research that were still unpublished. He is going to re-upload the video soon whitout theese unpublished results, though. Anyway, it is proven possible that unicelular life can form multicelular: There was an algae that in response to predation was OBSERVED to form multicelular life. [/hide] So, after multicelular life with primitive brains, sexual reproduction and a genetic code first formed, there is no limits to where Evolution can lead it to, especially since all of this formed Milhons, if not Bilhons of years ago. It would be a matter of time until creatures as complex as us would form. Since the first video i showed has a list of transitional species between primitive jawless fish and us, i don't think i need to explain anything more. I'll also link you to the first video of the "Made Easy" series of the Youtube user potholer54, that explains the History of the Universe from Big Bang to us:

People go gay because they have an alteration on their brain. Nothing unscientific, nothing supernatural. When did science go wrong to you? Also, how come Science ( backed up by evidence, peer-reviewed countless times) deserve no "faith" in it, when Religion ( no evidence, been wrong lots of times in the past, surely more than science) is chosen by you? Doesn't make sense to me. And even if Science did go wrong in the past, Big Bang has enough evidence for us to be sure it happened, and Evolution is the most important Theory of Biology, if not science. Evolution is proven by mountains of evidence and explains enourmous amounts of facts, Evolution is A FACT, wheter there is a God or not, and anyone who denies it has no idea on the implications for denying it. Pretty much, sums up most of my point.

"God gene" is a gene that makes you "feel" like there is supernatural stuff all around you. "god gene" is just the nickname of it. The way it spreaded through the population is explained by Evolution. "God gene" is just a gene that gives people a prediposition to believing in the supernatural and believing they can "feel it". The gene is NOT supernatural, it's just a gene that controls how your brain works and makes you believe in Supernatural stuff. And as i said, Evolution explains how it was spreaded in the population. Big Bang is a proven scientific fact backed up by a lot of evidence. And NO, believing in Big Bang DOES NOT mean you don't believe in God, it just says that the Universe expanded from a singularity 15 bilhons of years ago. Lots of people believe that God created the Universe via the Big Bang. I admit that God creating the Universe via Big Bang is a possibility, but there is no evidence for that, so i won't believe until such evidence is found. What we do know is: Evolution and Big Bang are proven scientific facts, wheter there is a God or not.

Well, theese things are going to be a mistery for a long time, and since they can't be proven right or wrong since they are "supernatural", they don't fit in science. Though, i'll still stand by my point, theese allucinations and "feeling" mistic stuff around you are explained by both genetics and psycology ( and no, i do not take all my info from wikipedia).

Well, i don't really think there is any "scientifical empirical evidence" for the supernatural, but i won't say that ghosts are completely impossible. I just don't really trust Discovery Channel's haunted-stuff shows... I used to watch them, but now i think it's just bs. Though, the god gene + placebo effect + delusion + mind playing tricks on you + sometimes, schizofrenia = Explanation for most, maybe not *all*, but surely *most* people who claim to "feel" ghosts, gods, spirits, demons or thetans. EDIT: I do know wikipedia is full of bs, i just searched through wikipedia because, like you, i don't feel like doing big searches for information this time in the morning. Though, i have read in magazines, other scientific sites, and even from people in this thread about the God Gene, and it *is* true and it *does* cause people the illusion of "something mystic" happening to them. That wikipedia article seems to be for the most part right.

To add to "evidence for supernatural is just rubbish that exists out of allucination" subject, it is proven by science that there is a "faith gene" or "god gene", that makes people believe in things supernatural around them, and makes them "feel" theese things. In fact, how this gene spreaded through the population is explained by evolution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_gene Anyway, if you pick someone with a lot of this gene, brings him to spend the night in a house, and tell him that the house is built over a graveyard and that the house is said to be haunted, he will start being afraid, and he will most likely start "feeling" things around him. When fear start building up... well, he will think that he "feels" ghosts. But it's only his mind playing tricks. Christians claim to "feel" the Holy Spirit, Muslims claim to "feel" Allah, and even Scientologists claim to "feel" the Thetans that are controlling them. I believe this is a mix of: 1: This gene, making them believe in the supernatural and making them "feel" it. 2: Delusion. Being convinced that there is something since early will brainwash people into thinking they "feel" it. 3: Some wierd sort of "placebo effect".