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This will still take longer then just going ZMI from level 57. It would be even more efficient to only train using lamps, tears, pengs and troll invasion. This is good, if you want to waste time and get slower exp/h. What you want to do for ZMI is go onto lunar magic. Fill your bank up with junk before hand. That way, when you deposite into your bank all your runes will deposite except the ones you need for teles. A terrorbird also slows down your exp/h if you use it to replace an abyssal familiar. Banking at the ZMI bank will almost cut your exp/h in half. Don't do it. I believe you are exagerating a lot here. ZMI might be faster from 57 to 75, but it will be a killer to do the remainder of 75 - 80 on ZMI as well. Changing skilling methods actually makes skills more fun to do then simple grinding. Let alone, at 57 rc the ZMI will not be profitable, form 75 and on it might be. The teleport tableds give you a alternative way to train, one that is probably easier to do and really a lot more fun. Ourania teleport --> bank/fill up --> run altar / craft --> Ourania teleport --> bank/fill up --> run altar / craft, etc etc. And I am willing to place a bet with you that banking with the banker there is actually faster then using lunar bank. I mentioned a terrorbird on purpose because if you use a familiar you have to close the bank screen and fill it up with essence. the loss of 70 xp per run is worth the sacrifice for having infinite run energy. And yes, filling up the bank with junk and using the bank-all button is a given. Works anywhere and should be used at all times.

keep in mind that you cant exactly camp them for the whole time, you will have to bank eventually because you kill the abbys faster then you can use scrolls to bank all the ashes. it's quite a hassle. other then that, i think your guesstimate of 750k p/hr for picking berries is about the same as abby demons. but when slaying abby demons you'll have more chance of finding a rare or row-drops (noted battlestaves, herbs, bolts, saradomin brews, etc.) then with picking berries, and if you're planning to kill loads and loads of them, in the end you'll earn more money at abbys then whiteberries. just my 2 cents, ~ Pops

from 57 you should try to get 75 (large pouch) first, playing great orb games for altar teleport tablets are a very nice way to quickly train rc without the slur of continuous running. you'll get a lot of xp in a short time-span. ofcourse, getting the tablets takes some time but is actually fun and rewarding to do if you get like 3 friends to join in. from 75 on i suggest ZMI. though, instead of banking at the lunar bank I suggest you try out bringing like 10k fire runes for banking at the guy with the big backpack that walks around there. a terrorbird for running is ideal. I'm suggeseting this because since recently you can fill your pouches without having to close the bank window, simply fill ur inventory with essence and right-click on a pouch and select the "fill" option. before, using the bank guy there was a hassle because you had to pay a couple of runes every time you wanted to access the bank. If you keep a decent pace at ZMI with the odd sneeze in between, you can get around 40-50k xp per hour without breaking every bone in your wrist. thats all for now, good luck. ~ Pops

hmm, is it possible to express attack bonus from equipment into attack levels? like say 10 points in attack accuracy from equipment equals 1 attack level bonus? or is that still a mystery untold...? because in the end, they both influence accuracy, so there has to be a link somewhere. if we can figure a way to measure this we could end with some nice calculations to prove wheter the loss of 10 accuracy points really matter.

very true. I am inclined to say that the difference is minimal. 1.7% more damage versus 3.4% more accuracy, they are both just about equally good. Not bad for a free amulet though >.>

i see what i did wrong, i used ur calcs (120 and 112) and ended up with the same results, thanks. :P OK, so damage output wise the difference is 8 damage versus the 3.4% attack boost difference of the salve amulet....

hmmm ill double check my calc. yeah something's off with it, i'll fix it later today edit: yeah i forgot to add a setting for controlled attack styles, it's fixed now. it's 548 with fury, 540 with salve (e) so go with the fury. damage output-wise, yes the fury seems to be better with a 8 dmg lead. however, my calcs are somewhat diffrent results and i can't figure out why <.< help me plz bandos + fury level: 125 str +126 slayer mask: *1.166 turmoil: *1.23 (5 + 134) * ((126 + 64)/64) (formula taken from Quyneax's post) 139 * 2.96875 = 412.65625 412.65625 * 1.23 = 507.5671875 507.5671875 * 1.166 = 591.823340625 bandos + salve: level: 125 str +118 salve: *1.2 turmoil: *1.23 (5+ 134) * ((118 + 64)/64) 139 * 2.84375 = 395.28125 395.28125 * 1.23 = 486.1959375 486.19259375 * 1.2 = 583.435 591 with fury and 583 with salve ammy. maybe i missed something..... edit: i stacked the slayer mask/salve ammy on top of the damage output after i calced the turmoil damage. can it be added up just like that? or do these % bonusses somehow stack differently. or are they not level based but equipment-bonus based?

it doesnt stack. but i'm intrested to see wheter the 5% att/str diffrence of the salve amulet outmatches the bonusses the fury amulet gives.

Heya, thanks for adding :) if you finished the calcs, would you mind posting your calcs? am just as much intrested in the answer as the calcs that wer used :P also, i havent used the turmoil boost or ultimate str boost armour. just what i personally use. i can recalc it too, see if we end up with the same answers.

really? :o where did you find that? there's a thread called max hit formula on the RSOF that mentioned it. My personal data seems to indicate that the claim is correct. excellent, i'll change it right away! thanks

really? :o where did you find that? regardless, slayer helmet + amulet of fury: 125 att/str gives a max hit of 457.7 + 15% more accuracy // +30 prayer boost slayer helmet + salve amulet (e): 125 att/str gives a max hit of 456 + 20% more accuracy // +28 prayer boost would become: slayer helmet + amulet of fury: 125 att/str gives a max hit of 464 + 16.6% more accuracy // +30 prayer boost slayer helmet + salve amulet (e): 125 att/str gives a max hit of 456 + 20% more accuracy // +28 prayer boost a diffrence of 8 or in other words 1.72%.

true, but would u like a free +6 att boost or not? only effort it takes is instead of clicking on the fury amulet, it would be a click on the salve amulet as u withdraw it from the bank... >.> the effect may be barely noticable, but hey it might save you having to hit a ennemie 15-20 times on a task of 200 monsters. thats 15-20 attack ticks saved, woohoo >.>

Could be that salve ammy been standard for years, yet i've never seen people wearing them when i was doing slayer. thats why i thought i'd try figure it out with some numbers. and my calcs are based on the levels, not the accuracy. however, i did mention the weapon accuracy as a side thing. the fury amulet also boosts the weapon accuracy bonus where the salve ammy doesn't. what effect this has on the actual accuracy of the hitsplashes (as in, how can it be put into a level boost bonus, like, +10 weapon accuracy equals +1 level boost?... no idea though, i have yet to see anyone figure out this mathematically) wich means yes, the calcs are innacurate. :) edit: typo

edit: the maths in this post are a little bit off, so you can skip that part :P Hi everyone, I've been an avid reader of topics in this section, more or less a lurker in the shadows. Thought I'd try and contribute for once to start a discussion on the choice of amulets of high level players during undead monster slayer tasks. with high level players I have maxed melee in mind. My curiousity goes to the following: Abberent spectres, assuming you have a full slayer helmet you get +16.6% strenght and attack bonusses (invisible). The salve amulet (e) adds +20 % on attack and strength. at the bottom of this post I'll post a short comparison of my maths results. now, the gear (and I'm going by personal choice): Equipment A: head: full slayer helm cape: soul wars cape top: proselyte hauberk bottom: proselyte cuisse boots: dragon boots gloves: gloves (barrows) weapon: whip shield: dragon defender ring: berserker ring (i) necky: amulet of fury provides the following relevant stats: attack: slash: +128 strength bonus: +120 prayer: +30 along with 99 attack and strength + extreme pots: maximum level would be 125 This given, we can calculate a max hit of approx.: 464 (including the *1.166 from the slayer helm) Equipment B: head: full slayer helm cape: soul wars cape top: proselyte hauberk bottom: proselyte cuisse boots: dragon boots gloves: gloves (barrows) weapon: whip shield: dragon defender ring: berserker ring (i) necky: salve amulet (e) provides the following relevant stats: attack: slash: +118 strength bonus: +112 prayer: +28 The calculated max hit with these bonusses would be: 456 (including the *1.2 from the salve amulet) now, not very spectacular differences. however.... the salve amulet (e) also adds another 3.4% to the accuracy, meaning you would actually hit more often then with the amulet of fury. 3.4% doesn't seem much, but 3.4% of 125 (max boosted melee stat) is 129.25. it would be like a permanent +4.25 attack boost using a salve amulet over a fury amulet. in short: slayer helmet + amulet of fury: 125 att/str gives a max hit of 464 + 16.6% more accuracy // +30 prayer boost slayer helmet + salve amulet (e): 125 att/str gives a max hit of 456 + 20% more accuracy // +28 prayer boost a diffrence of 8 or in other words 1.72% when it comes to damage output opposed to the 3.4% diffrence in accuracy. talking about being more efficient and quicker finishing of the slayer task, wouldnt a salve amulet (e) be the better choice? ~ Pops edit: changed some values, thanks grimy_bunyip

Hello, fresh meat here. I've been browsing through these forums for a long time, usually enjoying reading through the meta-game discussion topics. I thought I'd register and see if i can contribute to an extend. I'm not very comfy with posting on forums, but hey theres a first time for everything. See you around the forums :) ~ Popchop644