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I see Jagex has adopted the let's make our game like Call of Duty because Call of Duty gets sales formula. Also: What the hell happened to Jagex's 'play less Runescape' campaign? I guess it was only a marketting gimmick.

Updates need to be judged-- the term 'unethical' is perfectly fine to describe certain updates. I don't understand your first argument. Essentially, you are arguing that since everyone else is doing it, Jagex is justified in doing it too? That's not a valid argument at all. Keeping a game alive is a fine practice by itself. But when you have to sacrafice the game's core integrity to do so, the game just isn't worth holding on to anymore. I won't accuse you of being blinded by nostalgia, because I don't know that. But there are certainly many people on this board that are. They can't see past the fact that Runescape is no longer an RPG and is now Facebook with swords. They have so much time invested in the game that they'll support any decision Jagex makes to artificially prolong the life of the game so long as they get to keep their maxed character. I mean, come on, active users have been declining since, what, 2009? The claim "Runescape is better than ever" falls flat on its face.

That's nonsense. SOF is unethical. Solomon is unethical. Bonds are unethical. Just because RWT existed before Jagex endorsed it doesn't make it right. Jagex has no justification for supporting it. Where are you going to draw the line? When Jagex starts selling level 99s for bonds? When they start selling characters for bonds? When they start selling quests for bonds? Hell, what's stopping them. They're already selling GP. All that would be totally ethical in your eyes, because everyone is already doing it, right?

But in their quest to restore fairness to RuneScape, they've actually just introduced the most unfair thing a developer could possibly introduce... buying coins for cash. They've accomplished the complete opposite of their original goal. A game isn't worth playing when lil' bill gates jr. down the street can buy more GP than you could ever earn playing the game legitimately.

If Jagex had implemented this 5 years ago there would be 500-man riots in every world. Yet, its implemented now and there is hardly a peep. We've gotten so used to all the little unethical things Jagex has done over the years that we aren't even bothered by an update like this anymore. I mean, come on. Jagex is now flat out endorsing the idea that the wealthy in real life deserve more power in the game. They've completely nullified the 'RPG' aspect of their game. Doesn't this update deserve more outrage than its currently recieving?

If there's one thing you can always rely on Jagex to do, it's scaremongering. Seriously? Is this their strategy to combat RWT? Scare the population with the big bad boogieman terrorist RWT?

I almost don't want to believe it, but that's likely the case. They are a business after all-- gotta keep up that public image.

Oh, and I guess we can't ignore the fact that jagex is now fully endorsing the idea that the wealthier you are in real-life, the wealthier you shall be ingame. And don't give me that crap "well... technically we're not selling GP directly..."

Geez, sometimes I wake up and see these updates and wish Runescape had just died 5 years ago. It's like they're trying to repair a dilapidated house with masking tape. You can only use so much tape until it all collapses. This update will work for the first few months while RWTers adjust, but eventually you'll be back to a situation where RWT prices are cheaper than bond prices. Sure, it's a bit more risky to buy from RWTers, but the prices will balance out in such a way that it will be worth the risk. Remember: Jagex has to pay their workers first-world salaries. RWTers can get away with paying their workers third-world salaries. RWTers will always be in a position to win a price war against Jagex, no exceptions.

The problem isn't that the minigames are boring (well that is a problem for some...), but that there is very little incentive to continue playing them. There's only so much you can offer players before some other minigame/activity beats it out. You can reward them with items, or you can provide them cheap XP or fast XP There's the problem there: that's only two dimensions of rewards. If the minigame doesn't offer cheap or fast XP, it gets old fast. As others have said, Jagex should remove the dead minigames. But you try convincing a developer to delete their own content. Or they could just make good minigames. There are only a few minigames that are actually fun on their own, without having to rely on their rewards to keep them active. Castle Wars, Soul Wars, Stealing Creation, etc. are all classics... all the others are underdeveloped trash that are either boring or frustrating.

There. Right there. You're doing the same thing as everyone else in this thread. You're using quack psychology. You've made a claim, now back it up. Just because you've been taught all your life that saying the 'n' word somehow encourages racism doesn't make it true. I'm not showing my proof until your group shows yours. You made the claim first. A note: some of my sources are from scholarly databases with paid subscriptions. I won't be able to show all of them unless you are subscribed to the same service.

"The only reason you find them offensive is (because you've determined they're offensive) because they're offensive"? Indeed. Victorian-age code of ethics? http://en.wikipedia....e_Victorian_era "During the era symbolized by the reign of British monarch Queen Victoria, women did not have suffrage rights, the right to sue, or the right to own property". Yeah I'd call my code of ethics Victorian-age, that pretty much sums it up.. What? What does this have anything to do with women? When I said Victorian-age code of ethics I was referring to the absurd age-old idea that we as a society must find certain words offensive and that our children should be kept away from these certain words. Apologies If I've misinterpreted what you meant, but my interpretation of "Victorian code of ethics" would be the code of ethics used in the Victorian period. As this debate is all about (in my eyes) whether Jagex should be allowed to censor offensive language that isn't necessarily full of swear words, but could be seen as discriminatory in some way, I assumed you were referring to code of ethics in the sense of attitudes towards women/other races/homosexuals etc. Apologies If I've misunderstood. In terms of what you meant, I'm not sure society does feel a need to find certain words offensive, it's more that certain words have offensive connotations, hence our children should be kept away from these words, which will eventually lead (in an ideal world) to the words no longer being used. I agree that swear words actually don't do much harm (besides the n-word), but I do think that keeping racist terms or other discriminatory terms out of the game is probably a good thing. No. In an ideal world, there wouldn't be any censorship at all. Forcing the censorship of a word doesn't erase discrimination- its asinine to claim so. Just like how I can say the word "[bleep]" and be perfectly accepting of homosexuals, one can say the 'n' word and have no qualms with the black race. The social sciences tell us that discrimination arises from a poor education, poor parenting, and a poor environment in general, not from saying the 'n' word or the 'f' word or the 'q' word or whatever word must be concocted to describe some group of people. I know this because I've had formal debates over this very subject. It's easy to invent your own psychology and claim the usage of certain words fuel discrimiationatory attitudes- its harder to do the actual research and see that this is a complete lie. Stop treating the human race like a bunch of primitive apes that have to be duct taped into sumbission by your high-and-mighty political correctness. Censorship never works.

"The only reason you find them offensive is (because you've determined they're offensive) because they're offensive"? Indeed. Victorian-age code of ethics? http://en.wikipedia....e_Victorian_era "During the era symbolized by the reign of British monarch Queen Victoria, women did not have suffrage rights, the right to sue, or the right to own property". Yeah I'd call my code of ethics Victorian-age, that pretty much sums it up.. What? What does this have anything to do with women? When I said Victorian-age code of ethics I was referring to the absurd age-old idea that we as a society must find certain words offensive and that our children should be kept away from these certain words.

I think you mean modern day, progressive political correctness. Everyone's a victim.

What the hell? How are people taking Jagex's side on this? There's a perfectly good filter system that gives you the choice to block all those meanie bully words you might not like. Are Jagex really assuming with this update that we as players are too stupid to know how to turn it on? Really, what is the point of this update? Also, why the hell can't we just censor the words and be done with it? You could have a guy dropping the F-bomb every 2 words and so long as its censored **** there's no reason to take any action against him, because no one is hearing the meanie words being said in the first place. Muting him won't make anyone more safe. Second of all, grow up. They're words. The only reason you find them offensive is because you've determined they're offensive because they're offensive. Stop infecting Runescape with your backwards Victorian-age code of ethics please. There's just no logic to this update at all, unless Jagex are trying to appear to be a safe little MMO haven for kids with helicopter parents.