Ok guys, thanks for the advice so far. Have tried several times now and despite getting extremely close the first time, I've lost to jad now about 5 times. Using Muggi's guide is good but I'm getting frustrated and lag got me good at least one of those losses. Was doing well and then all of a sudden after seeing no damage, boom I'm outside of the cave saying I lost. The healers are my problem along with the lag. I keep seeing different methods on the healers. Any other info would be helpful. Is it true the healers now regenerate after you kill them? Even the Runescape knowledge base suggests killing them but other sources say the regerate very quickly. If they do, I think I'll try running through jad next time.