ty for the comments , the shape is like that cos i took a cylinder and used mesh editing on it (im a n00b at 3d)then i just cloned it and rotated it , im using 3d max 6 and with the grass , i just used a plain texture that comes with it , im gonna make some real grass tonight and make it a little bumpier , ill save that sig u posted , try and get it to that kinda shape ...if its ok with the author ?