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Yep, so i'll stop. :wink: According to the Bible - those who have never heard the Gospel are innocent from sin because of absence of understanding - therefore they will go to Heaven. No you won't be ready The Bible makes clear that life isn't go to be a bed of thornless roses, we're going to endure hardtimes and things will test and try our faith.

lol same here dude, i'm checking every morning and afternoon to see if it has been accepted or denied. username on our forum? I think I might know... It's Cody leaf....

You say he should intervene and destroy the free will of those you claim as "bad people" in order to give free will to what you think of as "good/innocent people". I'll say it again - free will (as you describe it) is not what we mean exactly. It's more of a 100% free choice of right and wrong - not free choice of coming and going as you please without anyone getting in your way. Yes, of course you would know what all God has done wouldn't you? Where the hell do you get that idea? Yes, because, as the Bible says, all those who are pursecuted for His sake shall inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. The world can't be perfect, because evil is in the world and God loves us enough to let us choose good or evil. God does not give a evil man riches, he does not give the good man riches - physical needs are taken care of by Him, but other than that man gains the rest as God allows. Those who die in innocence will be glad they did as the are welcomed into Heaven. The problem with you Venomai, is that you don't believe in Heaven or Hell therefore all you know is to focus on the physical suffering and forget about enternity.

lol same here dude, i'm checking every morning and afternoon to see if it has been accepted or denied. Sorry about the long wait guys, we usually get the applications accepted or denied whithin 1-2 days but our Staff are still dragging in from vacation and start of school.

It's a real pain when you've already sent it in and think of a better one later :wall: :wall: :wall:

1. Nope, just show us your work and we'll decide if your good enough. 2. You'll be needing some grammar and spelling lessons. :wink: Lol, just kidding, but we don't allow leet speak or really bad chat speak on the forums. Abilities to make graphics that a average human can understand and read A good sense of humor and creativity

Care to elaborate? If I did... 1. Skill_caster would probably get another mod to delete my post 2. It'd just start an arguement and embarrass a certain person :wink:

lol, firstt, don't worry about it

Lol, nice move Skill_caster :wink: Only a few of us know what I'm talking about anyways.... :XD:

Err...thanks...I guess? :P I don't see why that would freak you out though, we publish every Saturday...that's our weekly choice of publishing. The GT choose the same day too. Weekly papers, online and IRL, usually publish on the weekend, and Saturday is sometimes called the 'middle' of the weekend, so... We, and you guys too apparently, post every OTHER Saturday and we we're suppose to publish last Saturday as normal but with so many Staff on Holiday Vacation and spending time with family (me included) we didn't get one put together and pushed it off to THIS Saturday. Then suddenly you guys pop up here to0 - out of "normal" No, we post every week. We didn't post last week because of the Holidays. Well, even before the holidays you guys must of missed a whole lot of weeks :XD:

Err...thanks...I guess? :P I don't see why that would freak you out though, we publish every Saturday...that's our weekly choice of publishing. The GT choose the same day too. Weekly papers, online and IRL, usually publish on the weekend, and Saturday is sometimes called the 'middle' of the weekend, so... We, and you guys too apparently, post every OTHER Saturday and we we're suppose to publish last Saturday as normal but with so many Staff on Holiday Vacation and spending time with family (me included) we didn't get one put together and pushed it off to THIS Saturday. Then suddenly you guys pop up here to0 - out of "normal" by the way...your little site made me get a Security Warning pop-up, might want to check that out :wink:

:-s He was simply trying to have a good runescape-type setting in hope that people would understand and get his point easier.

Thanks. And yeah, after the long holiday vacation this isn't our best edition but we finally got one together and published.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ January 5th, 2007 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Gielinor Tribune is the oldest Player-made Runescape Newspaper on Tip.it (Tip.it Times does not count). We've been working hard since May 2007 (the first opening) to make the best RS Newspaper out there and to always keep our reader's expectations. 1. Gielinor Tribune News by Book (GT Manager) 2. [News Commentation] Why We Act the Way We Do by Randox 3. [Marketplace Article] Time Vs. Money by Evil_wisp 4. [Random Help & Advice] Blah! by Fursttsurugi 5. Comic by Mulli 6. [Creative Writing] Gil Colin Graham by Guest Xebn Xocnil 7. [Games & Fun] Imponderables by Book (unorclan) 8. The Drunken Dwarf's Tip.iter of the Week! by Yours Truly 9. Gielinor Tribune Accepting Guest Articles 10. Gielinor Tribune Staff List ~ Part One: Gielinor Tribune News by Book (Unorclan) Happy 2008 from the Gielinor Tribune!!! With Christmas passed and New Years celebration over just a few days ago our Staff if finally returning from their long vacation and celebrations! Those left tried to whip up a short edition for everybody but real-life being more demanding and obviously a higher priority, we unfortunately couldn't get one completed. But yet, here we are again in a new year with another edition! And along with the new year we are Hiring once again! If your interested then I invite you to visit The Gielinor Tribune Forums and check out all the jobs that are open! Thanks! - Book (Unorclan) Gielinor Tribune Manager ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Come join the Land of Guthix, the NEW RuneScape Forum. This forum contains discussion topics, a market place, off-topic discussions, and even a place to put your own artwork! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Part Two: Why We Act the Way We Do by Randox Well, a new year is almost upon us. It has been an eventful year, to say the least. We have had some amazing update - the God Wars Dungeon and Mithril Dragons being some to note. We have had many new quests and even though we did not receive the long awaited Mourning End Part 3, the game will survive another year and perhaps I will have the joy of writing about the quest in the New Year. But itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s the holiday season and that means not much to talk about. Their is the Christmas event which I believe gave us one of the best rewards we have ever received, assuming it will still work after the event of course and failing in that I had best be able to build a snowman next Christmas event. I must admit though, Jagex really surprised me. The event this year had not plot and no real adventure. Most people had more trouble finding the snow imps (in Falador at least) than they did actually completing the event. If I had a 7 year old brother, he could probably figure it out in a matter of minutes. Even the imps werenÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t that hard to find if you've been around for past Easter and Christmas events. It is not the first time that the event has been held just south of the southern Falador wall between the road and the makeover mage. Good reward, but a horrible event over all. I suspect they were to busy making changes and creating what is likely a public teats bed for summoning, to make a plot. But now that I have the update out of the way and would like to cover some psychology that I have been meaning to discuss but somehow never had time. Now, I am not a professional and have not received proper training in the field. My knowledge comes mostly from psychology texts, but what I am going to discuss does match up with my own observations and is logically sound. When we observe ourselves performing an action we tend to blame the environment. This can be just about any action, from what we do to what we say. When we try to understand why we do something or act a certain way itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s normally ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅI did blah blah because of blah blahÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

Lol, all I had to do is wait for Moonshadow to get in here. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

:lol: Who said religion must be logical? And mind explaining your point a bit more, sorry if I sound stupid, but I really didn't exactly get what your point was overall. I was using air to explain that his "If I cant see it I don't believe it" attitude. 1 - You cant scream online 2 - Obviously you didn't catch I was be extremely sarcastic in that sentence. :roll: It was a serious question. Right.

Yes, but when one religion cares about and wants to save everybody else not in their religions and they go out to try to convert to what they believe is the true belief...its starts arguements.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen(ie: God) So, you believe air exist right? You know - oxygen, nitrogen, all those other gases = air. Yep....oh wait....but where is it? OH MY GOSH! Well, I can't see air so it must be there. Case solved. :roll:

Okay, he is not bound by the laws of logic, but man's mind is - to us he'd be lying. Communicating and co-existing are totally different. He tells us his will through the Bible and we can tell him things through prayer. He did not place a sinful snake into the garden. And maybe co-exist isn't the right term here. God and sin are like oil and water...they don't mix. Therefore if man is sinful then man & God don't walk walk with eachother as they did in the Garden of Eden. Like I said, co-exist isn't the right word. Jesus was not apart of this world - he was in it, but not part of it. Things like this really tick me off. I'm 14 - you can't expect me to know everything.

Have you not read anything that i've said? Maybe free will isn't the right words....free choice between right and wrong - not freedom from physical bondage. But by removing their free will he will of lied and God cannot lie. He set a promise in the begining of time and cannot break it. Yes, God sent is son down to live on this earth as a man so he could die, the perfect sacrafice, for the forgiveness of sins. Yes, that was at the begining of time. Then Man and Woman sinned and God and man we're separated by that sin. Man and Woman decided to do wrong and God cannot co-existed with sin. It's not in his nature. He is. Loads of people didn't believe him back then - they wouldn't believe him now. And say we all believed it and it worked out like you say....in 2,000 years from now when they have even MORE scientific knowledge someone like you would be making the same arguement - why doesn't God come down NOW? There is such a thing, I'm not one smart enough to know and remember all of it, but I've gone to classes that have concrete evidence that the Bible is true and that God exists. Because people arn't interested enough, they don't care to listen to both sides or study hard to find the truth. They find it easier to accept something else. Evolution presents barely any FACTS - just theories and assumptions.

Sure, you mean through PMs?

I perfectly understand free will, and it certainly does apply to all of the examples that I gave. Definition of free will: the power of making free choices unconstrained by external agencies Wikipedia says: The question of free will is whether, and in what sense, rational agents exercise control over their actions and decisions. Man changes the free will of another man, not God. If God came down and forced the "bad guys" to stop forcing other people from having a free will - will those "bad guys" have a free will to do as they please? I think not. Good idea, and I believe they called him Jesus didn't they? God is spiritual, not physical, so scientist couldn't grab a "piece" of him anyways... Yep, so, how does this change anything? The Bible presents the facts and people believe what they want to believe and the world is the way it is. PS. See my post (the very last post) on the other page. Page 34 i believe

It is posted in the General Discussion on TIF, on many many other RS Fansite Forums, and on the Gielinor Tribune Forums along with http://www.gielinortribune.com

As I said in my earlier post lets take for example that I actually support all these things that happened and lets imagine I participated in these events. Oh, but then in the middle of the Holocaust God came down and rendered me useless to do what I wanted to do forcing me to do what everyone else thought was "right". Now is that free will? No, I don't think it is. You must not understand what free will is. It's be able to choice to do what you think is right and wrong - not free yourself from bondage or torture. It says in the Bible that we should speak the same thing and be of the same mind....and you say the world would be so much better if we all we're able to do this. I agree. But is it free will when God interferes forcing everyone to do this? NO. Actually, no you haven't convinced anybody but yourself.

The life of a man that of a blink of an eye compared to enternity - agreed? So, you say he turns a blind eye to the suffering of the world? What you do not realize is that Matthew 5:2-12 clearly states that all those who mourn, and are naked, and starving, and pursucuted are those who shall revieve the greatest rewards of Heaven for enternity. So why should suffering for a blink of an eye matter to a land of paradise for enternity? The suffering of the world is a perfect example that GOD EXIST. What if I said that the Holocaust was great and that it needed to happen and that I totally supported it)which I dont, just using an example). I'd be flamed to death and have loads of haters here. But in another part of the world how many people would agree with me? Some would, not many, because its the Holocaust, but some people out there would agree with me. So who is right? You or me? How do we decide whats right and wrong? Our parents? Yeah well my parents agree the Holocaust was great and needed to be done. So, still who is right? How do we decide which one of us is right? Majority rules? Okay, lets say the majority of the population in wherever you live agrees that the Holocaust was wrong therefore thats thats. But say lots of people from another country move into wherever you live and over years and years the majority rules to favor my opinion of the Holocaust. What now? There is an overall standard, an overall moral. But where did it come from? Did it evolve over time that somehow man knows whats right and wrong? But how does right and wrong exist? What decides what is wrong and what decides what is right? Man? But man is always changing and arguing and debating, so something had to set this in the begining of time. What was it? I believe the answer to that question is....GOD. I wrote this in a hurry, and I know how you post Venomai, your going to grab a every little detail and blow it out of proportion and then critisize me about it and assume things I never said- but atleast I'm trying.