Well I would beat your wagon but you don't live near here and the filter won't let me verbally abuse the cabbage out of you. So, explain to me why you need to "get" these other programs to battle. Don't think your PS skills are up to par? Demoris is exactly right. Ok, Maya is 3d modelling (if you knew that) and that would make my sigs look so much more awesome. Flash is animation, I've seen alot of animated sigs here so I'm going to try it soon. If you spend so much time here, I doubt you would beat me up. I'm not hinting your a nerd, but I work out daily and lead a active life in most sports. If you swear to me, hopefully you will get banned. I think you are jealous you don't own a company that makes money for doing stuff they enjoy.