Kyle6203

It's ruined in the sense as to what it was before. I understand there is room for improvement and that runescape may be able to once again continue to thrive. The game is however ruined for me. If I wated to fight preset opponents, in a preset place, with preset items, and preset level differences, I would play WoW's arena system. But I don't want this. I want the ability to roam in the wild, kill who I want, when I want, with what I want to kill them with. They took the uniquness out of the game. Their taking everything out of this game that made it what it was and throwing in numerous stupid proxy mini games to satisfy the 10 year old masses. The wild and pking isn't my only problem however. I despise the grand exchange out of everything. You can't sell half the stuff you want to sell at the lowest price, and you can't buy half the stuff you wan't buy at the highest price. I mean seriously wtf is the point in that? The prices on items change so much so fast thats its impossible to keep up with them. It used to take weeks for a price on an item to change, now it takes 1 day. I had a buy option on 25 sharks at max price for a week and a half, never got em. It's ruined skills from fletching to herblore. I mean seriously, you can't make a potion anymore without losing about 2k. They should probably just remove herblore from the game altogether, right along with mining, smithing, and runecrafting. I think jagex should seriously take a look at the numerous faults in the other skills, before spending 6 months trying to release a new one.

You're right, it's not their fault they have to gold farm instead of work in a factory. It's their government's fault for not setting sufficient standards and creating a cruddy POS workplace. And I love how you point out Americans, and not any UK countries or, for that matter, any other first-world countries at all. Using us as such a stereotype when you commit the same 'crimes'. I wouldn't be surprised if if you're racist. Ok first of all, if you have no better input then to incorrectly call me a "racist", I would advise you to stay out of this thread. Notice I said "IDEAL FUNCTIONING COUNTRY" this would include your United Kingdom you dolt. I said America because well..... oviously most of runescapes players are American? Did you not notice this when you see the 75 American servers over the UK's 17? What did you wan't me to do? Make a list of all the countries that have people with money playing runescape? Would this make me not racist? Seriously that entire wall of text I just wrote and the best thing you can come up with is calling me racist because I didn't list every country with wealth that plays runescape. You must of been one of the ones shipped to runescape through miniclip huh?

Not only that, if Jagex seriously tried to monitor the hundreds of thousands of different ip's that logged in each day, they would be in a deeper hole then they were with trying to ban the bots. Tracing ip's as a way of stopping rwt will never work. Plain and simple.

This thread is not promoting RWT. I am totally against it, and think that it is both unfair to the rule abiding players and to Jagex. However, the recent updates have disgraced the game so badly, I see no purpose in continuing to play. Now I would be ok with the updates if they weren't in vain, but the fact remains that rwt will continue to happen, and these recent updates will do nothing but change the way they work. I did some research on rwt (mind you with no intention of purchasing anything). I will list the common misconceptions about rwt: #1 They are associated with credit card theft, account theft, and item theft. There are two types of sites that sell game currency/accounts/power-leveling. Professionaly run sites, and fake sites thats sole purpose is to rob people. Now a quick examination of these sites will usually allow you to tell the difference between the two. Professional sites usually are very well designed, have a live support, paypal emails, some even use western union, and an entire staff dedicated to customer support and those that farm the gold. Fake sites usually have a poor design, no live support, and a simple form you will fill out with your cc#, your account details, or whatever they may be asking you. The point is here is that the RWT's or at least the ones Jagex was trying to stop, werent really the ones causing the problems, it was the 1 person that was good at html that would put up a fake site to rob people. #2 With these updates Jagex has officially stopped them. Not even in the least bit. While researching I went to a few live supports and had a few chats with the representatives. I only went to pages that were professional, and offered services on multiple other games to increase my chances that they were legit. Here is how the conversation usually went: Me: Hey, I was interested in buying some gold, but I would like to know how you plan on working around the recent updates that Jagex has just implemented. Representative: We are currently unavaible to sell gold, we are however in the process of re-vamping our website, hiring more staff, and providing you with fast power-leveling. We will also be providing you with the option of us farming gold on the account, or even both power-leveling and gold. Of course this will cost slightly more, but it will be worth it. Please check back in a few days. Now I know alot of you are saying "Ya right, i'm sure anyones going to just hand out their password to a gold farmer." Umm, excuse me but they sure didn't have any fears in sending them 100's of dollars on the hopes of receiving gold. Heres the real reason however on why the rwt's would have no incentive to steal your account: -They wouldn't be able to do anything with the items or the gold. They obviously couldn't sell them. -They wouldn't ask for the recoveries, just the password and would not be able to secure the account for sale. Now you are probably saying "Ya right, i'm sure anyones going to risk being banned by doing this." How do you propose their going to get banned? Their going to be any other level 70 walking around killing monsters, cutting yew, casting high level alchemy. Their going to be successfully completing randoms, and moving in non-repetative fasions. Their not going to be level 3's with preset appearences, walking aimlessly from yew tree to yew tree. Here is what I found most frightening, take a look at this offer from on of the rwt sites sponsored on Googles page: "We set up a compensation policy in case that any account would be banned: we will remake a same leveled account and add 2 more million gold than you ordered to that account as a compensation. Although it seldom happends." See the amount of runescape gold buyers is very few in comparison with the population. Probably 1 out of 100-200 runescape players buys gold. Most that do only buy in small amounts too, they aren't buying 100's of millions at a time. To meet this demand, gold selling sites would simply have an array of computers with marcos all making accounts, walking to the desired destination, and endlessly farming materials in order to sell and make profit. Now that is no longer effective, they will instead have 1 person per computer working in 8 or so hour shifts doing the leveling/farming. This is obviously more expensive because it requires more employees to be payed which would explain why they are raising the prices on the services. #3 The rwt's hire foreign people and make them work for near slave wages Ok. First of all, these people aren't working for slave wages because they want to. It's because they have no other options. Did it ever occur to you that some people that live in poverty stricten countries don't have the oppurtunities that some of us have living in an ideal functioning country. Personally if I lived over there in that situation, I would be much happier leveling a runescape character than working in a dangerous factory making toys for spoiled brats in America. So stop comparing peoples lives to ours, and let them put food on their familys table. #4 RWT would have inevitably caused the downfall of Runescape. Give me a break. This is my most hated claim of all. You have got to be kidding right? Any MMO that has the potential for real world gain is going to have real world traders. This has been a known fact since Ultima and Diablo. Did rwt ever cause the downfall of those games? Nope. None. In fact, the game with the most rwting is WoW. With over 2.5 million subscribers all paying 15 a pop, now shouldn't it make sense that since WoW has so many rwt's that it should not be so successful and be well on its way to demise as well? You know what causes a games demise? -The release of newer and better games -Lack of updates -Total obliteration to the former state of the game which was well-liked Jagex has chosen number 3 this time, and did so without any regards to the players who have made this game what it is today. I know Jagex did it's part, but without us Andrew would still be working on Devious Mud in his parents basement. What i'm trying to say is that Jagex should of at least asked us what we thought about their future plans long before they spent so much time working on them. In conclusion my time with this game is done, I thank Jagex for the 4 years of enjoyment they have given me, and despise them for those 4 years that I now feel i've wasted. Goodbye cruel world, and good riddance.

Pardon. But seriously you're either alot older than I had suspected, due to the photo on your sig which I thought was you until I read you veg blog. Or you are a student, going to college, paying thousands upon thousands of dollars for schooling, food, rent, utilities, and the other varios expenses. I'm 20 years old, I go to WVU, my parents pay for my rent and tuition, I pay for the money I personally use for food and such. Now if my parents didn't pay for this there is no way in hell I could make enough money with a high school dimploma to pay the tuition and housing costs without banks giving me half of the money. Let alone if I worked that much to pay for all of it, I would fail out of school. If you claim your parents pay for none, i'm sure you're going to have some hefty loans to pay off my friend. I don't even know what this is suppose to mean. Not having any education, or in other words a high school diploma, you would have a hard time finding a job at your local Mc'donalds. Whats a Mc'donalds salary 14,000 a year? You know what 14,000 dollars a year gets you? Welfare. Thats the kind of "half decent job I want". This isn't even taking into account that the situation of gold farmers is far worse than ours. Yes actually. I went to the rant forums and decided to see just how many people were complaining. I waited for a new rant to be posted, one that was well written. Well one was and in a mere I would say 2 minutes the rant was on page 4 with no replies. LOL. I think that is evidence enough about the amount of people complaining. Thank god they didn't put out a poll asking wether or not people agreed with them releasing these updates and ruining the very unique aspects of their game, they would of got slaughtered. Seriously if your into runescape its not that difficult to advance in the game. A dragon full helm would cost an astounding 400 dollars to purchase. Thats like an entire Christmas worth of gifts if your a kid which you claim are the buyers of the gold. Whats wrong with a kid getting a dragon full helm for christmas? Is that really that wrong? Whats the difference between a kid getting a dragon full helm and an xbox? I don't give a [cabbage], 75% of rs's population couldn't give a [cabbage] if it meant the saving of this forsaken game. They won't after January 1st, whose going to pay more for items when they can get them at a reduced rate at the GE. Staking needs more than fixed. 3k or 30k, when compared to the actual amount of currency high stakers deal with, is nothing. For Christs sake 3k isnt worth the tele charge on the duel ring. They shouldn't have done what the did in the first place without at least asking the players what they thought about it. They are scum because took away some aspects of the game that players have been playing for for the last 5 god damn years. I think "someone" who is unhappy with this situation is a drastic understatement. I don't need to try the thournament, I'm not level 126 therefore = asswhooping.

Oh im so sorry I did not keep an in depth diary of when I began and quit playing runescape. I only said 1999 because it felt like alot longer than 3 years when I last played, and I didn't feel like researching when rs was released. I started playing 6 or 7 months after its release and quit a few months after the release of runecrafting. There! Happy! Jesus Christ. _____ It's "breastfed". Use a dictionary.

But you don't play anymore. So why would somebody like you make a big deal out of it. Im pretty sure you didn't even understood what you said there. Im not 12, thanks for asking. I hope to be as good as you on this debates thing. So you actually read without understanding what you are reading? nice going! I suppose you "debate" without understanding whats coming out of your brain. There, you said it. Please don't compare me with you again in the future. Well I was planning on replying to this, but after reading the word "breastfeeded", I think no further comment is necessary.

i assumed that cuz you said you play this game since its beginings.. Btw say goodbye to merchanting as well. Do you know that a good part of rs population were bots and macros? ... :-k.. what? You didn't know what to awnser because you didn't read it. Im nobody. Stop playing. Because you won't. Because a monster won't drop 100M coins. A player could as a new way of gold selling. I know this, but you complaing about it cuz you do considere pking to be a profession, and it isn't. As i said before, im nobody, stop playing. I also said I played well into the release of rs2. L2R. I'm sorry for scrambling your brain with my explanation of what would happen to the demand for gold if there were no buyers. "im nobody, stop playing"? Are you 12? I would highly advise that you avoid all forums as your debating skills are that of a run over squirrel. Oh no buddy I read it alright, I just didn't feel like consulting my Rosetta Stone in order to comprehend it. I'm pretty sure there is monsters "god wars perhaps?" that drop items worth near or close to 100m. Where in my multiple paragraphs of posts did I ever state pking was a profession. Although it is. How is a persons goal for killing people in hopes of reward not a proffession. Seriously reading your posts is like listening to the preteen in the back of a car asking "Are we there yet?" 30 times an hour.

Researching sites isn't against the rules. Buying their itmes is. How are free ipod sites a scam? They most certainly are not a scam, and if you follow their terms, you will in fact receive a free ipod. Their terms are not a scam, just misleading. You have to pay for a certain number of things such as magazine subscriptions, things such as netflix, etc.. and after you do you receive the ipod. How do you propose these people make money? It's easy for you to say how easy it is for others to get a real job that makes good money without resorting to things such as gold farming. You sit at your computer which your mom payed for, shes paying for the internet, she pays the power bill which runs your computer, she pays for the house you live in, and she'll most likely (if you go) pay for your college education. Did it ever occur to you that some people are not so fortunate, and have to resort to jobs that recquire little education. I seriously don't think you're in any place to direct people born in poverty sctricten familys where to work. The process whereby one person becomes richer makes everybody richer. This is actually what rwt has done. Make "everybody" richer. Seriously how many rants were there on the forums complaining about rwt? I visited the section routinely and seriously saw next to 0.... yes 0.... complaints about rwt. I mean seriously, the only annoyance that i've read about rwt was having to log to a different world when there would be a bot chopping yew trees, and in members this was almost non-existant. The day the update thread was posted, there was 48,000 posts complaining about it in mere days. The only reason I can see Jagex doing this is because other people than them were making profits other than themselves. Not even taking into account that rwt was actually promoting more people to play due to the rise of materials and currency circulating in and thriving the economy. Jagex even took on the task of tediously calculating how much gp was produced and inflated over the years of rwt and how much value it was in american dollars (I think it was around 30-40 million dollars). Give me a break. They make 10x that amount and they are crying like babies. Jagex is a bunch of selfish sob's. I tried the grand exchange today, I don't like being told what I can sell my items for and thats all I need to say about that. I'm not a member anymore so unfortunately I didn't have the pleasure of getting pounded by 30 level 120's oh dear what a loss. I certainly didn't need to venture to the dueling arena to stake a mere 3k, give me a freakin break nothing else even needs said about that. As to the person informing me that rs wasn't released in '99 thats really quite something. It feels like 10 years since I last played this game. Instead of saying I played in 99' I should of said I played when Bluerose13x was ruler of the universe, that probably would of been a better relation.

Lol and how do you assume to know this? In reality I didn't play the day the christmas crackers dropped, and I never owned a christmas cracker. I did own a white p hat when they were 10k but it was sold before the price inflation. I acquired all of the p hats through merchanting, and none of them were worth below 50 million. I think the blue p hat at the time I had them were worth 90-100 mil. A crew of 15 people, ahhhh that would explain their customer support :lol: . The fact is they went about rwt the wrong way. They ruined aspects of their game that they and their players have spent years working on. What they should of done is elminate the buyers. They should of implemented a system where unfair trades such as 20 million being given to a level 90 by a level 3 or 10 million being dropped by a level 3 would be flagged and the details sent to jagex. For instance, a screenshot of the act, the chat log of the last 3 minutes, wether or not the person's trading had been on each other's friends list for a while. The buyers of runescape gold are in fact few. Probably a single digit % of the entire rs population. These are the people that needed to be banned. If you eliminate the demand for the gold traded for real money, no one is going to be left to buy it, hence no gold sellers. You should perhaps do some "REASERCH". Seriously I don't even know how to answer number 3. You go from claiming that runescape is more important than kindergarden, to Andrew not making all the choices, to more people doing "reaserch". :wall: Did you even read my post? I said I don't play at all. I said I couldn't because of me being too busy with college. I'm complaining because if this game remains unchanged after these updates, I would have no incentive to return. Who are you anyway to tell me to stop playing even if I did. Why are you typing words in capitals as if im not going to see them otherwise? Pking was a profession to some people. Of course they wanted to prove they were stronger but why would you soley do that and not pick up the fallen items to reap your rewards? How is people killing people for profit, any different than players killing monsters from profit. According to your theory nothing dropped from being killed should ever be picked up as the only purpose of doing so is proving you're stronger. Pking wasn't removed because it was considered a profession to some people anyway, so No. 5 is completely irrelevant. First you want me to stop playing, and now you want me to stick around. I don't want thrown into another arena fighting a random person that was selected for me to fight. I wan't to be able to kill who I want, when I want, with people I want to kill them with. Jagex's mini games are sad. End of story. We definetly don't need more.

Ah I see, I assumed the prices were fixed at a range around what they were at the time. The grand exchange obviously has its benefits with ease of trade. However I think one of two alternatives would of been much better. 1. Have the players set the prices as they please, this would balance out the prices similar to what they were when personal trade happened. I don't know if I can mention it here, but a system similar to WoW's auction house would of been much better. It would also stop items such as rares dropping to rediculously low amounts. How is it fair for someone to have spent countless days saving up to buy a party hat, only it have it devalued by 50-75% 1 update later? 2. Player owned shops, which I have no idea why they weren't put in the game years ago.

I've played the game far long enough to know the basics of the game. As I was combat level 106, with 6 or 7 p hats, and around a 1500 skill total (mind you this was before the introduction of contruction, slayer, and farming). I know that if when I played the game that the max amount of coins I could give away, stake, drop, give to my pure, was 3k I most certainly wouldn't have played the game. I know that if the wilderness was full of revenants that serve no purpose other than to kill people doing clue scrolls (as by seeing from the rs forums is their only purpose) I wouldn't have gone into the wilderness. I know if I couldn't pk by myself and instead had to venture into bounty hunter as I got 3 hit by 9 level 125's I wouldn't have pked. I don't think the addition of a few added quests that required the intelligence of an 12 year old to complete, along with skills that players acquired level 99 in mere weeks is going to interfere with my knowledge of the game. Besides, the changes were made to things I was already familiar with, such as rwt's, the economy, dueling, and pking. It's not like I barged in here ranting about changes made to the construction skill which I have never used. What if people were willing to pay 1000 gp but couldn't due to jagex's price ceiling. Instead the prices are low, and people buy alot of them, which causes a shortage because the price ceiling is below equilibrium price. (The price ceiling is the 748 gp in this case). This effect may haven't happened yet because the grand exchange was just implemented, but give it time and it will. This also answers your second question. Now you say that prices were all close to what they should have been, what exactly have the prices should have been? The prices you wanted them to be? Cheaper that is. Because according to runescapes forums, everything from potions, to logs, to rares, has gone drastically down. In regard to bounty hunter I don't have to play it to see that I wouldn't like it. I think ill pass on going in there and getting banged by multiple 100's. I prefer a free for all 1v1 most of the time combat that the wilderness offered. From what I saw in the forums the ratio of people that prefered the old pking over bounty hunter is like 99-1 anyway. Wrong. Do some research on gold selling and power leveling sites and you will find plenty that offer these services and are successful with it. Not just runescape but other popular mmo games. What will they do? I don't know go outside get some fresh air and wait for the farmer to finish what would of taken them weeks in 3 days. People with half a brain will be able to tell the difference between legitamate and fake power leveling sites. Sites arent going to set up an entire business to steal accounts because word would spread and no one would use their service. If a gold selling site has live support, a professional layout, theres almost a 99% chance that its legitamite, and nothing a simple google search couldn't verify. People who make the things for wal-mart live in near unbearable conditions. You mean to tell me that most don't? I don't even know where you came up with the illness part, the fact that you think sitting at a computer is more dangerous than working in an overseas factory is almost preposterous. It being against the rules brings up another point. Why exactly was it against the rules? Jealousy over profits? It's not like these rwt's were gathering the gp, and then disposing of it. It was just shifting posession from one character to the other. It's obvious that Jagex is rich, so why complain about it making other people richer? They claimed they had to eliminate rwt because it would eventually cause the downfall of the game. You know what actually happened? The bots and the population went hand in hand. As the bots increased, the population increased. So I fail to see how it was damaging the game. Second of all, every marginally successful mmo game with tradable currency or items has dealt with rwt and it has never caused the downfall of any of them. The release of new and better games caused their downfall. So fix your [cabbage] Jagex before the same happens to you.

It may have not been 1999, but I know for a fact I was playing in 2000. I can't remember the exact date I started but I played for around 4 years.

Alright then, this post is public, it is not mine, it is whoever wants it and they can use the information on it to post in the rants section. Ty.

By the way, the topic of the post will be- "An overview from a former player". If that cant fit just think of your own creative title that will attract attention. Please post what you have titled the topic here however so that I am able to locate it. I give much thanks to whoever is willing to post this, and hope dearly that its message will be heard and understood.