Well i've tried there, they hit quite a lot, with full lobs i only managed 30 minutes which isn't so good, i'm planning on raising def, just really set on getting my 70 attack to use my whip =P~ I've looked through all the combat guides, on RSOF, RSC and here, and all the monsters either hit too much or are always crowded :x I wouldn't mind a mob that doesn't drop a lot, or isn't agressive, just one which doesn't require my 100% attention, thx for your time btw \ =P~