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frankly slash atks have less +to hit and so less accurate, unless its a a 2h which has the lowest speed, and with the defence difference its EVEN LESS! :twisted: They hit much faster so the small difference is made up for several times over. It's better to hit three times with a 40% chance to hit each time than it is to hit twice with a 50% chance to hit each time. its more like 3 time with 40 percent against 2 time with 70 If you want to get technical, then here's an adequate percentage base: for the sake of the argument, let's say that you multiply the atk lvl by the atk bonus and then divide that value by the def lvl and defense bonus of the target. At lvl 100 attack the warhammer, longsword, and scimitar have 5300 crush, 4700 slash, and 4500 slash attack value respectively. For a full set of rune armor, this would be the values: 20,900 slash and 19,200 crush. hammer: 27.60% hit sword: 22.48% scimitar: 21.53% But it doesn't end there. I'm pretty sure that the speed works like this: For every 6 scimitar attacks, there are 4 hammer and 5 longsword attacks. now: hammer: 27.47% to miss all 4 times (.7240^4) sword: 27.99% to miss all 5 times (.7752^5) scimitar: 23.35% to miss all 6 times. (.7847^6) As you can see, even though rune armor is weak against crush attacks, the scimitar beats out the longsword and the hammer by far. The difference between the strength bonuses of the hammer and scimitar is 4. That's not enough to affect your max hit unless you're on the border. And if that's the case, then the person should upgrade their armor and/or train str. I hope these numbers have enlightened you ;) edit: I'll even add the hit chance for baxes: 4800 slash and 4300 crush attack value 22.96% to hit with slash; 22.39% to hit with crush 35.22% (.7704^4) slash 36.28% (.7761^4) crush Now, the difference in str between the baxe and the hammer is 16. That can raise your max hit by 2.5 (4 more str will bring it up to 3). Rs players have always been "fascinated" by max hit. So, they'll trade 8% accuracy for +3 damage :roll: . Good for finishing moves, bad for pve or long term attacks. Same thing with 2hs in bh. They're only good for finishing blows. if you consider acc. to be equal to str then hammer and baxe were the same speedwise, actually my results were the baxe has 15 hits per minute and the hammer had 16 but im pretty sure theres no way that the baxe is that slow, so i made it 16 just to be nice, then i multiplied hits per minute by the +to hit then i added the str bonous time the hits per minute (did you even read the rant ive edited alot)

frankly slash atks have less +to hit and so less accurate, unless its a a 2h which has the lowest speed, and with the defence difference its EVEN LESS! :twisted: They hit much faster so the small difference is made up for several times over. It's better to hit three times with a 40% chance to hit each time than it is to hit twice with a 50% chance to hit each time. its more like 3 time with 40 percent against 2 time with 70 Nowhere close. Please test your weapons for several hours under controlled conditions before posting next time. I would, but I'd rather spend the time testing something with a less obvious outcome. i have tested against the baxe under controlled conditions it was worse at pking than hammer 8-)

whats wronge with alot of posts? i write alot because i check on my rant like 24/7 i also edit a ton

frankly slash atks have less +to hit and so less accurate, unless its a a 2h which has the lowest speed, and with the defence difference its EVEN LESS! :twisted: They hit much faster so the small difference is made up for several times over. It's better to hit three times with a 40% chance to hit each time than it is to hit twice with a 50% chance to hit each time. its more like 3 time with 40 percent against 2 time with 70

it isn't only exp. per hour its also which is better at pking, because monsters are much different than battling ppl who all have different stats due to different armer i'm in battle 24/7 with my warhammer, ive tried baxe, maces dont want to cuz ide get killed as im not a pray dude (i am making pray dude w/ maces so i used them, just not good ones) and i had my freind try the longsword out, he said its kills scimmy, but then again all these are prefrences i would agree, its a +11 stat, and FYI i guess ill test to see how many hits per second a ls can do compared to scimmy. i will test that and prove you wronge, i was just using both and couldnt tell any dif, but now ill actually see how many times a minute each hits Exactly. Also, it must tell you something when about five times more people use the Scimmy than the Longsword lol. There is a reason for it being the preferred weapon :roll: ppl only use it because it looked cool, then it became popular, like the baxe If small bonuses are so 'not worth it' why do people spend millions on furys to get a few extra bonuses than glory? Or millions on bandos tasset and sacrifice defence (again saying so small it doesnt matter) but want that tiny tiny extra strength? Or those DK rings? Such a big price on a tiny bonus. You people are redundant. good point, those idiots probably nearly die for thos furys how do u know a dragon is bad against sta? plus ls is bad w/ its stab

if you never want to hit the enemy go ahead think about it the baxe had lower slash, and its crush was even lamer so like i said if you want to have one of those fights where you hit all 0s then one 20 then more 0s untile you die be my guest. P.S. hammers look so much cooler Dragonhide i.e. rangers are weak against slash attacks. And 10 atk difference isn't going to make much of a difference when compared to possible +3 max damage. It's because the axe is more versatile and has higher str that it is much more useful. the baxe has no accuracy but also gets good str its really a weapon prefrence, and yes you should always never use crush on a ranger, you will die P.S. you only get 2 more max hit nice stats dude and ya the angry people in the beggining of the universe live in new york and detroit now, i live in detroit and im sure of it. oh ya how did u get that wizard hat pik? its cool Edit: I got owned :wall: :wall: :wall: Thought you were using sarcasm in that post #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o

i edited it like 5 or 6 times lol and hammers i will admit are not very good at monster killing but when it comes to pking nothing is better

nice stats dude and ya the angry people in the beggining of the universe live in new york and detroit now, i live in detroit and im sure of it. oh ya how did u get that wizard hat pik? its cool

if you never want to hit the enemy go ahead think about it the baxe had lower slash, and its crush was even lamer so like i said if you want to have one of those fights where you hit all 0s then one 20 then more 0s untile you die be my guest. P.S. hammers look so much cooler

They do??? :shock: Wow i didn't know that thx \ ya, and i just wrote a rant on the longsword vs. scimmy outrage.

frankly slash atks have less +to hit and so less accurate, unless its a a 2h which has the lowest speed, and with the defence difference its EVEN LESS! :twisted:

so many people use a scimitar over a longsword, and why i might ask? because it looks cooler who cares effectiveness over beauty people! Also heres a little fact, longswords also boost your defense here are the stats of its defence slash 3 crush 2, oh and don't forget the scimmy gets defence bonouses to slash 1! Here a stats of a longsword and scimmy compared. Best atk stat: longsword :thumbup: : slash 47 scimitar :thumbdown: : slash 45 total str: longsword :thumbup: : 49 scimitar :thumbdown: : 44 so if you add all of the longswords advantages it gets +11 (def +4) (atk +2) (str +5) why would you pick a scimmy? All a scimmy has is about is slightly superior speed, truely though its such a small diference it doesn't even matter, even if the longsword only had a +5 advantage it would still be better. I did some testing and heres what i got scimmy hits 22 times a minute, and longsword hits 20. now for the math, u multiply the 49 str by 20 u get 980, add 940 (47x20) is 1920 then add 100 (5x20) and you get 2020 as the total for the longsword. the scimmy gets 968 (44x22) pluse 990 (45x22) is 1958 then add 22 (1x22) 1970 is the total for the scimitar! 1970 or 2020? your choice. thats a difference of 50 pts. u could lose a fight because of those kinds of small differences.

why isnt there dragon warhammer! :x so many peopple say warhammers stink, well they dont, what weapon is better at crushing through pl8mail, and isnt 2h? also another stereotyping with warhammers is there all str! they are not all str they have very little actually, they specilize in consistantly hitting, not hitting high. lastly warhammers have the highest +atk bonous (53) for a non-mem besides a 2h which lacks defense. Also, what about maces? some people actually bother to raise one of the most dull stats in the game, prayer, and a mace is a priests weapon! so why is it that nobody even people with good prayer ever have maces?!? if you had a rune mace, bottom monks robe, and top monks robe your pray bonous would be 15. =D> bronze: warhammer: crush 10 -4 magic 8 str mace: crush 6 str 5 pray 1 iron: warhammer: crush 11 magic -4 str 9 mace: crush 9 str 7 (def) stab -2 pray 1 steel: warhammer: crush 18 magic -4 str 16 mace: crush 13 str 11 pray 2 mithril: warhammer: crush 25 str 20 mace: crush 18 str 16 pray 3 adamant: warhammer crush 33 magic -4 str 31 mace: crush 25 str 23 pray 3 rune: warhammer: crush 53 magic -4 str 48 mace: crush 39 str 36 pray 4 dragon: mace: crush 60 str 55 pray 5 yes, it is true that battle axes have higher str but at what cost? there very inacurate compared to a warhammer they have +48 SLASH, slash attacks are practicaly useless if you look at the armour stats below. also they do have a crush attack but is lame +43 crush, odds are the crush atk will do better anyway :shame: In conclusion if you want a weapon that has a good max, but never hits by all meens pick a battle axe. i did some testing recently and found that the hammer hits 16 times a minute so if you asume that was against a person with pl8mail u add 17 to the base atk of a hammer giving it 70, you then multiply this 70 by the 16 giving you 1120 you then add 768 (48x16) giving you a total of 1888. now for the baxe it had the same hits per minute, 16 (actually 15 but i added one cuz i no theres no way hammer is faster) so u multiply 48 by 16 u get 768 then add 1024 (64x16) u get the total of 1792 so the hammer is yes, the better pker :ugeek: \ lastly if your enemy were to have full rune (including gauntlets) they would only have +203 crush their worst melle stat. on the contrary the same amount of rune armour has +220 slash which is mainly what battle axes and scimitars use if u want more info regarding warhammers or maces add me, johnhenry2nd