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noooo way jose. my thread has been around for almost 10 full months and has over 21 pages of posts. there is no reason that all running talk should be split across multiple threads.
may i kindly direct you here- http://forum.tip.it/topic/230433-the-running-thread/
I agree with this (although I got completely ignored when I pointed out that I had a thread, I'd rather it didn't happen again).
lol george, i have to admit. the entire time i spent writing my response i was thinking of how you must have felt when i made a running thread. wow that was a long time ago. i know we're on good terms now, and if i'd let my thread fall into inactivity i probably wouldn't care as much. but seeing as we have a nice collective of runners over on my thread, i think its best for the runners on these boards to stay true to one thread. I mean, who am i to say that new running threads can't be created? its just common sense that theres only a need for one thread. also, i just realized i may have come off as a bit too harsh in my post. i'll edit that.
Meh, I shouldn't have even mentioned it. I love the new thread, and I could barely care less that it's not mine <3:
Ummm, what? Track and field isn't only running. There's throwing and jumping lol
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^ No, running is very important. Eric was right, you need to do cardio every 2 days if you want a strong heart. The only way to properly do cardio is be exercising for at least 20 minutes (bare minimum!), with your heart rate in a certain "target heart rate zone". The best ways to do that is either by running or biking, since both use the biggest muscles of your body (legs). Just walking up stairs for 5 minutes won't improve anything, it'll just leave you breathless.
I dunno about you, but my heart rate zone is roughly 140 when working out but I cannot physically last 20 minutes (10 if im lucky), for some uncontrollable reason I run out of breath too fast. (i dont smoke either)
How old are you? If you're around 20 years old, 140 is pretty good for working out (70% of max heart rate). You usually try to go for 60-80% when training (this is good enough for improvement, and will prevent injuries). Well, you could start running slower (decrease your stride length), espescially when running uphill. You just need to decrease enough to feel comfortable. Another suggestion, run even laps (e.g. My first 2K lap, I run without trying hard (7:08), second 2K lap I try to keep the pace without feeling uncomfortable (14:20), my last 2K lap I push myself like if I just started a fresh 2K run (21:22 PB for 6K).
Also doing a 4-5 miles run in 20-25 minutes? I'd say 95-99% of people can get a 5 minute mile, much less 5 in a row. Running that fast isn't even that great compared to keeping a saner pace over longer distances.
I am quite sure you are overestimating the general population. The requirements for the US army for the 1.6K (1 mile) is 9 minutes for guys for Class C, 8 minutes for Class B, 6 minutes for Class A (only a select few are able to reach that level). Also, I know I can run slower for longer distances, but I am trying to optimize improvement vs time. I do not have 60 minutes per day to go running 10 miles. Also, 60 minutes of running burns too much calories (in my case, I am at 5.7% body fat already...)
Select few? You americans must be pretty damn fat. And it does not burn too many calories. If you want to step up your workout, you NEED to ingest enough calories. The only time you should have a deficient is when you are trying to lose weight. This thread is oscar.
Verify your sources before replying. http://www.arselsl.qc.ca/documents/sports/SECONDAIRE/cross/RESULTATS_2009/Juvenile_M_rang.pdf These are the results for 16 year olds 6 km (schools send their best 10-15 runners), only 19 runners do under 25 min for it... and the first guy is sponsored by Adidas (does the company sponsor random people?) 20:53 for 6000m = 4.79m/s. 1600/4.79= 5min 34 seconds, that doesn't even get the 5 min per mile...
And yes, I said consume carbohydrates... carbs = calories.
Whoops, that was a typo. I meant 95-99 CAN'T run a 5 min mile.
lol, yep
I said that I could list around 200 just from a domestic sporting league, not that there was ONLY 200. I offered up the figures I have available to me. How about you provide a source that proves that over 50% of the worlds population can not do it? Exactly, you can't, so stop being a smart [wagon] and thinking statistics are everything. I will stake money on the majority of people, meaning at least 50% + 1 as you explained to me (forgive me for being less intelligent than you, I've been out of high school for a few years and the fact that I'm at university in conjuction with a full time job suggests that I probably have a lower IQ than you) that I know can run a mile in 5 minutes or less. How about this statistic? In the town I grew up in, I know that as of Wednesday the 25/11/2009, MORE THAN HALF of the residents can run a mile in under 5 minutes. How do I know? I watched them do it. So from the data obtained in this test group, which is how these studies are done, we can extrapolate that over 50% of people CAN run a mile in under 300 seconds.
My source is myself, which you pretend I made up. Want to play this game? Cool, I'll call [cabbage] on everything you present. According to you, that makes it all made up yeah?
Best way does not equal easiest way and you should know thats a load of [cabbage]. You need a few extra calories? Have full cream milk with your cereal instead of skim. Ta da. How much time did that take out of your "busy day"? Drink a glass of fruit juice instead of water. How hard was that? Yeah, I'll bet that took you a long time. Have a gatorade instead of a water when you work out. Wow, where did those hours go? It really is hard to find these extra calories if you are dedicated about your health, isn't it? Exercise doesn't burn too many calories, you just aren't ingesting enough calories.
Now, a final line which I could've done earlier. Where did I ever mention a majority of the population can do it? Mm, whoops, good work buddy, I like the way you read, you sure you don't work for my government?
Oh wow... you didn't know your digestive system can't handle that many calories per day? I'm already overconsuming, 3300 calories per day... 150% more than what most people eat. Didn't you look at the calculations 4000+ calories...
You're in university, you have never learned about biased studies? You can not extrapolate from a biased group. It would be like if I said: "I did a study on salaries. Where I work, there are 20 employees. 12 of them earn over 400 000$ per year, the other 8 earn between 75 000 and 120 000$ per year. I can extrapolate and say that over 50% of people earn over 400 000$ per year in the world." I am overexagerrating, but this is what you're doing with your stats.
Also, most people have lives. We don't have an hour per day to run... do you think everyone has the life that you have? I have badminton practice 4 times 2 hours a week, school 6 days on 7, 1:30 hour piano practice everyday, track and field practice, 2 chem lab reports+ 2 phys lab reports/week, essays...a lot, music theory classes, etc. You gotta be kidding me, I want to sleep at 12 every night, not 1 in the morning.
Endurance on rowing machines: use your abs. The owner of the (pretty big, 4,000+ member) gym is the one who told me this tip, and it really works.
Assuming all rowing machines in the world are the same (I noticed they're the same in 3 separate gyms), can anyone beat 1KM in 3:36? :thumbsup:
We don't really do many 1k tests, it's all about the 2k (which is hell on earth), but I can pull a 3.20 for 1k. Most people in gyms don't use rowing machines correctly (including me up until I learnt to row) , but then again it's quite a technical sport to learn. By abs I suppose he means core strength, so keeping your head high and shoulders low, sitting up tall, which is good advice.
3:02 is my best for the 1000m on dirt.
2:49 is my best for the 1000m with spikes on a track.
My friend's stats
3:00 for 1000m on dirt (same race as me).
2:50 for 1000m on track with spikes.
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Intensity is far superior to duration though, and I think that's important to distinguish. You could do a relaxed jog for 60 minutes or sprint intervals for 20 mins and the sprint intervals would win everytime when it comes to developing explosive power, VO2 max, lactate threshold etc. Steady endurance work has it's role but I really do think the casual jogger would better spend their time doing scaled (down) CrossFit type workouts for general physical preparedness. Strength is an important component of fitness and you don't get it by jogging round the park.
And FYI, if you want to burn calories fast get on a rowing machine.
I completely agree :)
10 x 200m sprints is the best way to improve performance.
I can't last long on a rowing machine :(
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Yeah, but barbell is kind of dangerous, no?
For squating? If you have the proper equipement and space and know the safety procedures for failure it's very safe; it would take skill to injure yourself squating freeweights.
Also, you're probably doing it wrong if your a first time 16 year old lifter and you max out the machine. If that's a legitimate squat machine (not leg press), and that 300 isn't added on to your own weight, either that's a very beginner machine or you're using it incorrectly
Ditto. If you don't have proper form then yes you could hurt yourself, but that's why you should be using freeweights anyway. You'll probably know you're doing it wrong because it'll hurt =\.
It was a pulley-system machine, lying on your back, you push a platform with your legs and it pulls the weights up. I tried it on the Norwegian Gem cruise ship. Maybe it wasnt a squat machine, like you said.
I tried free weights recently, did 140 pounds.
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Also doing a 4-5 miles run in 20-25 minutes? I'd say 95-99% of people can get a 5 minute mile, much less 5 in a row. Running that fast isn't even that great compared to keeping a saner pace over longer distances.
I am quite sure you are overestimating the general population. The requirements for the US army for the 1.6K (1 mile) is 9 minutes for guys for Class C, 8 minutes for Class B, 6 minutes for Class A (only a select few are able to reach that level). Also, I know I can run slower for longer distances, but I am trying to optimize improvement vs time. I do not have 60 minutes per day to go running 10 miles. Also, 60 minutes of running burns too much calories (in my case, I am at 5.7% body fat already...)
Select few? You americans must be pretty damn fat. And it does not burn too many calories. If you want to step up your workout, you NEED to ingest enough calories. The only time you should have a deficient is when you are trying to lose weight. This thread is oscar.
Verify your sources before replying. http://www.arselsl.qc.ca/documents/sports/SECONDAIRE/cross/RESULTATS_2009/Juvenile_M_rang.pdf These are the results for 16 year olds 6 km (schools send their best 10-15 runners), only 19 runners do under 25 min for it... and the first guy is sponsored by Adidas (does the company sponsor random people?) 20:53 for 6000m = 4.79m/s. 1600/4.79= 5min 34 seconds, that doesn't even get the 5 min per mile...
And yes, I said consume carbohydrates... carbs = calories.
Okay. My entire class at the gym can run a 5 minute mile. Most of my football club can run a 5 minute mile. My PE S&F class back in high school could run a 5 minute mile at the end of term. Go down to ANY football club in Australia and most of the onballers will be close. If you wait a few days, I can give you a list of about 60 people still in school that can run 5 minute miles, a few of whom have much more muscle now than most people will have at their peak that haven't done any excerise for about 6-8 weeks depending on if they made finals or not. In fact, If I could be bothered doing the leg work for TAC cup names, I could give you 200ish names right now of people aged 16-18 that can run 5 minute miles.
And your quote is right above you. You say running 60 minutes burns too many calories for you. That's a load of [cabbage] and proves to me you have no idea what you are talking about.
Only 200? General population does not equal 200 people, or even 10 000 people. It means the majority, meaning 50%+1. Prove to me that the majority of 16 year olds can run the 5 min mile. What kind of program are you in? You're like in a sports education program? Football team does not represent the general population again... Seriously I do not believe your lies, and I do not think that anyone who has a working brain will believe you (this is a hyperbola, if you're gonna start arguing on this point). In Canada, there`s probably 100 000, maybe even 1 000 000 people who can run that, but thats 1 000 000/33 000 000, around 3%... it's like if you're saying: everyone in my class has an IQ of 132+ (represents around 2% (close to 3) of the population.)(University students average around 115 IQ... but that's not the point)
Also, this is what I got from MapMyRun.com
http://img403.imageshack.us/i/caloriecalc.png/
5038 kilojoules, that's 1205 kilocalories (Calories).
An active male teenager will consume 2800-3200 calories.
Source:
Teen Calorie Intake, <http://www[Caution: Executable File]rcise4weightloss.com/teen-calorie-intake.html>
A human of my weight (68kg) needs 1632 Calories for basic function
Source:
How Many Calories Do I Need a Day, <http://www.fitwise.com/Calorie_Needs.asp>
That makes 1168-1568 calories left for walking, physical work, etc. Substract 1205 calories (60 min run), you are in need of 37 calories (basically you have no more energy to walk, so you Shut Down) or still have 363 calories.
368 calories won't last you the whole day even if you're sleeping. 368cal/23 hours = 16 cal/hour (you consume 55 calories per hour to sleep+vitals, 85 calories per hour to sit+vitals, and almost 4 times more to walk... basically you'll just faint.
Source:
Calories Burned by Exercise, Calorie Expenditure Chart, <http://www.annecollins.com/weight_loss_tips/calories.htm>
You must consume 8x55cal/hour (sleep) + 1x1205cal/hour (run) + 15x85cal/hour (normal living) + 1632 cal/day = 4552 calories / day! to be able to function properly.
I will not spend extra time eating in my already busy day which I clearly said is my main reason I will not run 60 minutes a day (I do not have that kind of free time, neither do most people. Best way = easiest way!). Stop avoiding that point in your arguments.
You say running 60 minutes burns too many calories for you. That's a load of [cabbage] and proves to me you have no idea what you are talking about.That 'proves' to you that I do not know what I am talking about? Well it sure backfired...
Also, I believe that an argument is only as strong as it's source. Go get some, stop inventing.
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If you want forearms, take a badminton racquet and swing it in a backhand motion repeatedly (like if you were trying to hit a backhand smash). I know it works because I play badminton and my left forearm is almost double the size of my right forearm. You just have to use both arms to make them even.
If you want shoulders, playing tennis would be your ideal training.
Note: tennis and badminton is completely different, tennis uses the shoulder muscles to hit a shot, badminton uses the forearm muscles (wrist) to hit a shot.
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So far I only tried the squat machine, since I was underage (turned 16 recently). I do not know my max, because the machine couldn't support any higher, which was 300 pounds.
182 cm, 155 pounds, 15 years of age when I tried it.
If by machine, you mind not barbell, then try barbell. It's harder, and you won't do as much, but it's better
Yeah, but barbell is kind of dangerous, no?
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I used to hide and win all the time, then I realized if I stood in the fist, I would win and not waste time :thumbsup:
FOG isn't free exp to those noob mages.
Lol, finally someone who understands my point :thumbsup:
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Also doing a 4-5 miles run in 20-25 minutes? I'd say 95-99% of people can get a 5 minute mile, much less 5 in a row. Running that fast isn't even that great compared to keeping a saner pace over longer distances.
I am quite sure you are overestimating the general population. The requirements for the US army for the 1.6K (1 mile) is 9 minutes for guys for Class C, 8 minutes for Class B, 6 minutes for Class A (only a select few are able to reach that level). Also, I know I can run slower for longer distances, but I am trying to optimize improvement vs time. I do not have 60 minutes per day to go running 10 miles. Also, 60 minutes of running burns too much calories (in my case, I am at 5.7% body fat already...)
Select few? You americans must be pretty damn fat. And it does not burn too many calories. If you want to step up your workout, you NEED to ingest enough calories. The only time you should have a deficient is when you are trying to lose weight. This thread is oscar.
Verify your sources before replying. http://www.arselsl.qc.ca/documents/sports/SECONDAIRE/cross/RESULTATS_2009/Juvenile_M_rang.pdf These are the results for 16 year olds 6 km (schools send their best 10-15 runners), only 19 runners do under 25 min for it... and the first guy is sponsored by Adidas (does the company sponsor random people?) 20:53 for 6000m = 4.79m/s. 1600/4.79= 5min 34 seconds, that doesn't even get the 5 min per mile...
And yes, I said consume carbohydrates... carbs = calories.
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So far I only tried the squat machine, since I was underage (turned 16 recently). I do not know my max, because the machine couldn't support any higher, which was 300 pounds.
182 cm, 155 pounds, 15 years of age when I tried it.
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Hiding is actually a disadvantage for the hider, because they receives less charges during the time they hide. I have never lost to a hider on my level 46 (I Tb U Tele - 7278 rating - check me in highscores), and less on my level 108. I just hug around the center, I may last around 2-4 minutes, but I get around 1000 charges, while the opponent lasts 5-6 minutes, and gets like 600-800 charges. So, in the end I win.
I am against hiding, not because it frustrates me, but because it wastes everyone's time, the opponent just wasted 6 minutes of his life (if he loses). I do not like to waste time, EVER!
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Also doing a 4-5 miles run in 20-25 minutes? I'd say 95-99% of people can get a 5 minute mile, much less 5 in a row. Running that fast isn't even that great compared to keeping a saner pace over longer distances.
I am quite sure you are overestimating the general population. The requirements for the US army for the 1.6K (1 mile) is 9 minutes for guys for Class C, 8 minutes for Class B, 6 minutes for Class A (only a select few are able to reach that level). Also, I know I can run slower for longer distances, but I am trying to optimize improvement vs time. I do not have 60 minutes per day to go running 10 miles. Also, 60 minutes of running burns too much calories (in my case, I am at 5.7% body fat already...)
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Running is bs.
Yes to be fit as in a sporty person kinda of fit a major cardio excercise eg running is important
But you don't need to go running just to be generally fit.
Not running specifically, but its scientifically proven that regular cardio exercise is incredibly helpful in keeping you more alert and generally healthy.
I'm not denying that at all. Cardio exercise is good for you; but in terms of getting fit without further specification or in context eg a footballer getting fit. It literally just means being healthy and reaching and acceptable everyday level of stamina etc. Eg fit so that you can walk say a mile to the shop and not be worn out, or run up a flight of stairs cause ur late and not be worn out.
For that kind of general getting fit heavy cardio exercise is NOT absolutely vital and just generally being a bit more active is more than sufficient to achieve the results.
What I am trying to say is that running would be the most efficient way to improve your fitness level. Running is the activity that burns the most calories vs time that is accessible to everyone (intensive swimming burns more calories, but not everyone can visit the pool regularly). Also, I mean fit as in healthy. It is scientifically proven that if you run regularly, your heart will live longer. Running will decrease your rest cardiac rate (mine is at 49 bpm vs 70-80 bpm for an average person), if you roughly calculate it:
70/49=143%
80/49=163%
My heart would live around 43 to 63% longer than the average person (32 to 47 years). Though, that is almost impossible because my heart rate will probably rise as I grow older; less time to exercise, and your heart rate is higher than the average person when you're running (but that's almost insignificant)
Also, the thing with eating healthy is that the essential nutrients you need to digest are carbohydrates, proteins, water, fibers, sodium, vitamins, minerals, and moderate amounts of "good" fat. Your body will naturally produce fat out of carbohydrates, so you do not need to intake it much of it (get this in your head: carbohydrates are the number one fuel of your body! Your fat (good if that happens) and proteins (not good if that happens) gets decomposed into carbohydrates before it is used by your cells.)
Like I said before, running gives a better blood circulation. That means more oxygen to all your cells, even when you do not need that much to function. (an analogy: I wouldn't settle for 60% in my tests, meaning I pass
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The best way to get fit and stay that way is
1. Eat healthy!!! No matter how much you exercise, if you keep on intaking bad substances (fat, cholesterol, white sugar, etc.), you'll never be in your top shape. An analogy would be: eating unhealthy substances is like putting yourself on a conveyor belt going the wrong way. (note: soft drinks are really really bad!!! 30% of the can is white sugar!)
2. Run/Jog (depending on your fitness) Aerobic fitness is often negliged. It helps blood circulation and that naturally makes you stronger, you will also last longer when weight lifting so your progress is much faster. Also, most fit people have a six pack. Well, actually everyone has a six pack, just that it may be hidden under a layer of fat. The only way to get rid of that layer of fat is to run/jog. Doing sit-ups, crunches, etc. won't get rid of that fat! Contrary to most beliefs, you can not lose fat locally; your body distributes fat evenly throughout the body (running is the most calorie consuming activity). A good 20-25 minute (4-5 mile run) per 2 days is great [around 600 calories burned]. note: you do not need to run that fast, but at least 20 minutes (your body only starts using your fat as energy after 20 min, before that your body uses glycogen)
3. Free weight lifting
I know many people may disagree on this topic, but I recommend free weights if you're intending on building muscles. The progress may not be as quick (look-wise), but you will be much stronger physically. (using machines will hypertrophy [extreme cell expansion; does not give more strength, your cells are filled with large amounts of water] your muscles, using free weights will cause your cells to multiply more [you'll have much more muscle cells, thus you are stronger, but they will be smaller]. Also, free weights train balance, a big plus if you're clumsy. (exercises: push-ups, standing squats, bicep curls, chin-ups, etc.)
4. Flexibility
This is the recovery phase of your training. If you do not stretch, your muscles WILL become SORE after exercising! Also, stretching will make your muscles longer, so the cells have more space to develop (it's like if you plant 1000 trees in 10 acres of land vs planting 1000 trees in 20 acres of land; the latter trees will develop significantly faster).
Please feel free to leave any comments. These are only recommendations. I am just a provincial level track and field athlete and AA level badminton player, not a certified coach.
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I'm a track athlete and I'm interested in what's your favorite event. (To watch and to perform in)
Perform:
1. 400m: My best race. My PB is 52.88 seconds at age 15.
2. 4x100m: Simply the best feeling ever. The whole school is cheering for you, and everyone's in euphoria when we take gold. PB: 46.91 seconds.
3. Long Jump: Just fly :)... for 5.60 meters.
4. 200m: Usually last individual race of the competition, so no other event is going on. Everyone's watching... :) PB: 24.52 seconds.
5. Shot Put: Simply funny to see the look on people's faces when I throw farther than them (I look really skinny. BMI of 20.5) PB: 11.21 meters (5kg) 13.96 meters (4kg)
Watch:
1. 100m: Two words: USAIN BOLT!
2. 110m hurdles: The only event China wins :) (Chinese pride!)
3. High Jump: Just wow.
4. 200m: BOLT BOLT BOLT!
5. Long Jump: Usain Bolt will be competing in the long jump soon :) Can't wait. 9 meter (...or 10 meter?) barrier going down.
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Nice :) any tips on how to improve my high jump technique?