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I meant no offense to elias in saying when I think he'll quit, although I also don't see how that could be considered offensive. I stand by my guess on when suomi passes him whether he quits or not.

I personally think that Elias will quit between 3.2-3.5b exp, but that's just me :) If not between that range, I don't think he'll get to 4b exp. So maybe suomi will pass him by the end of the year? That would be my guess.

Oh, I also noticed that it appears Jdelacroix went to crawlers for a little bit today. He has melee/ranged exp and no slayer exp.

I honestly have no problem with the rates given, they are all possible to achieve whether anyone does or not, and as far as the minimum time required to max out that is the only way to calculate it. As long as it is mathematically possible to achieve those numbers, they have to be used.

I think this one is a coincidence, SUOMI aims for the highest rank possible, which happened to be 7 and 6, and elias has many of his skills around 60-70m exp, which is where the 40-50 rank lies, and it is a random thing that they are all 47... I don't know about the multiple 200m's over 100 thing though, never looked into it haha EDIT: So Elias is making solid progress, and I saw many people say he is underrated so I looked up his stats, he has many around the 60-70m mark as I said, I think he is a strong contender, the only thing being that his lowest skills are the slower skills, it's too bad he doesn't post here, that's probably why no one talks about him...

Congrats to Elias on his 9th 100m skill :) and to Allar on 50m smithing exp

Someone posted that suomi would have around 3b exp by the end of this year at his current pace with slayer, so I thought I'd see where allar (rank 1 in exp) would be by then at his current pace from the last month. Using runetrack from February 4- March 5 for Allar, he gained roughly 58.4m exp, that multiplied by 10 (number of months left in the year) Puts him gaining 584m more exp in 2011. That added to his current total of 2,575,944,812 puts him at around 3.16b exp, so based on this, Suomi will be very close to rank 1 by the end of 2011... That is if the earlier prediction was correct, saying he would be around 3b exp with herblore experience gained from making overloads to slay with by december 3rd, he could potentially train a buyable or even just camp frost dragons for the rest of the month and put himself around 3.03b exp by the end of 2011... However, when calculating telmomarques experience gains it becomes more complicated since he should finish slayer much earlier than suomi will and because he is doing prayer after 200m strength I thought someone said, but based on his current 105m month gains, he would be rank 1 in experience at the end of the year, although he would certainly be passed quickly by suomi when telmo slows down to train the slower skills. Although suomi currently is gaining 125m/month based on last month, that is inflated due to 50m dung exp... Maybe that made no sense, but my prediction for the end of 2011 is this: 1: Telmomarques 2: Allar 3: S U O M I All will be very close in overall experience though I predict... EDIT: Fixed it to 10 months :)

I'll be the one to post that suomi reached max total today! He is now rank 5, and used effigies to get the remaining slayer exp until 99... I talked to him 2 days ago, and he said slayer is most likely his next 200m skill, so expect gains in slayer, and possibly runecrafting. He said he will be using effigies on runecrafting, not slayer, and also might continue zmi for a bit, since he needs 60m more after effigies from 200m slayer, so yeah...

I thought romeo lover got banned for autoing? No lol, I look him up every once in a while, he has like 73 dung... edit-Oh and @shelby, suomi has 200m agility and mining, so yeah... 2nd edit- I also feel that slayer is not as much of an exp/hr concern, because the overall exp/hr with combat and effigies is much higher, whereas a skill like agility is a flat out 75k, not 75k+100k melee exp like slayer is, so to me, slayer is not as slow of a skill to train as fishing, mining, rc, or agility...

Depends on definition of "poor" Xensure... Last I asked, he makes 5-10m/day from donations pre-free trade... So with free trade, he may make more or less, but after you take out the 2-3 farm runs he does, and the crafting exp he is getting, I'd imagine that only about 2/3-7/8m of that goes in the bank each day, and that really isn't much considering how much he needs, he will not merch, so he is making roughly 1b-2b/year at this rate... Not nearly enough for one buyable... And I believe he also said donations are *down* since free trade, so I'm not exactly sure how much he makes now... but yes, he is poor by these 200m all skills standards... :/

I didn't see anyone answer someone who asked how many tokens suomi plans to spend on dung on the last page... I asked him, and he said he isn't spending any on exp... I'll assume this is so he can repair rapier with cash+tokens due to his money issues.... So yea, no massive single day exp gain for suomi anytime soon :)

I really like Suomi's runecrafting pace, he seems to be getting 1.3m exp/week pretty consistently, and without slowing his dung down much at all, he is also training crafting at about 1m exp/week which might help him in the long run... Considering that if he uses effigies on runecrafting, he will only need to maintain his runecrafting pace for under 1 year until he is within the range to max out via effigies, and in the meantime he can get 200m's like theiving or hunter and get his buyables last, I don't know if this is his plan, but it seems viable. He is hurting more than we thought though since he reported not gaining much cash from free trade, and I think he might be down in his daily profits, the way it looks he might be worse off then I thought.... But, I still think he has good chances even with the frost dragon camping or however he chooses to make his money... with merchanting being more profitable now, it is a shame he refuses to attempt it, a few weeks of successful merching could help him out significantly. I also think jdelacroix is going well, he is still gaining 1m slayer exp/week so if he maintains that he will be well off. I also noticed that skiller reverted to his magic training today and stopped slaying, I'm not sure what his plans are, but he is gaining exp at a good enough rate that no one is gaining significantly on his rank from what I can tell... Dapledo is training hunter pretty quickly, he is also fishing at the same time, I think he will be a solid contender down the road, but doubt he will be first to all 200m's... My thoughts.... :)

yer, langer is on vacation, or something like that.. i also noticed that 'alpha trion' is near to 150m rc xp, he is also a very dedicated player, im glad to see him pass those marks. good player i also like that telmomarques is about to finish his remaining buyables, already got 2m exp today, with 170m left there and 95m left for prayer, he could easily powerskill to 2.4bil 170m left where? and yeah, telmo is in a good position with the slayer exp he's been getting and the fact that he has a good cash supply I would imagine, doesn't need much considering that he only has a couple buyables left anyways.... And jdelacroix is training dungeoneering and theiving at about equal speeds, he should have those 200m's within a couple months... He is also slaying a little bit everyday for around 1m slay exp/week totals, this should help him when he decides to focus on slayer... Skiller is nearing 100m farming exp and should get it the end of this week, as well as 100m ranged within 2 weeks if he continues to slay...

This topic is moving like 4 pages/day now :o What did drumgun say his plans were after 200m range? did he say making the money for prayer?

Although the hours might not be entirely accurate on the chart, I do believe the rankings are correct, although based on hours, Suomi's 2500 lead with only like 11k to go looks nice :) I was suprised drumgun was ranked as low as he was, but I suppose the slayer hurts him...

If you want to get to 200m xp in all skills & have (near) unlimited money, it's best to use your effigies on slayer. Perhaps it's best to do crawlers only (just lamp your way to 200m slayer) but I don't know about that. It is best for Tezz to be using his effigies on slayer. He has almost the perfect amount of strength xp left to finish off slayer before maxing cmb. Since he is using his effigies on slayer he will get 200m slayer and 200m strength right around the same time. I hope he saves them all until he has just enough to get 200m slayer in one go and then for the rest of the day he uses all of his blue charms. He may be able to come close to Drum's daily record. As for in general there is a small debate going on, pretty much only between Thai Tong and myself about that the optimal method of collecting effigies is. I made several proofs showing that it is best to do slayer and use all of the effigies that drop on slayer until 200m, then do the rest of melee at cave crawlers, but I also proposed the method of just doing cave crawlers for all of the melee and then using all of the effigies to max both slayer and RC solely from lamp and investigating. Thai found this method to be faster in regards to 200m all skills. Regardless of which method is faster it is still optimal to use your effigy lamps on slayer until it is maxed then start using them on RC. So Currently Tezz is at 5 200m's but after Prayer, Strength, Slayer, and Summoning, he will be put up to 9... That's pretty good considering he's close to that atm, if he started buying the summoning ingredients... he is also at 116m Dung exp, so he can finish that off quickly as well for 200m Dung. If he can afford summoning and prayer, this gives him a massive chunk of exp in a relatively short amount of time, he could quickly jump a few ranks.... As well as have 10 200m's and be the only contender to successfully finish combat and slayer.... I like his chances :)

I noticed a few comments about Tezz's slayer pace, I was wondering about him using his effigies on slayer, I know someone posted that it's best to use effigys on slayer and finish off melee with cave crawlers..., if you don't do this though is it still best to effigy slay? I heard agility/fishing is now the best after free trade and even before free trade runecrafting. If that is confusing, here is it more simply: What is best to use effigies on? Will this effect Tezz in the long run? Jamie stated well how the update will put Suomi far ahead in the race btw. Drumgun hasn't trained any buyables at this point really, so he can benefit from this as well...

Yeah Jagex gave SUOMI a big advantage over everyone re-introducing free trade. Everybody can ask for donations. Don't see any advantage over other top players. SUOMI's problem is money-shortage for the buyables. Most other top skillers don't seem to have that problem, so SUOMI would profit more from free trade and bigger donations than others who have already merched a fortune. Well yes, not only this, but the majority of contenders have so far only focused on the buyables, although skiller does have 108m slayer, paperbag has done nothing but buyables and same with jdelacroix and zarfot as well, if he ever comes back. So my point being is that suomi can now, on Feb. 1 make billions and get 200m herb/pray/craft/con etc. all extremely quickly and also doesn't have to graahk 200m runecraft, which I recall as being one of the major concerns.

Been watching this thread for a long time and decided to register on tipit lol, I personally don't see a problem with the donation system suomi set up, the only thing that would bother me about it is if he maxxes all 200m's he claimed all the credit, the way he set it up, him getting to 200m all is a team effort, which I kind of have a problem with, but no more so than I do with manipulation clans, as someone pointed out at least with the donations, it is out of free choice to donate, manip clans just steal your geepees. With the free trade coming in a couple weeks, suomi will be able to afford most, if not all 200m's with relative ease... I personally think this gives him a distinct advantage over anyone else besides, perhaps drumgun. Suomi has already done most of the non-buyables besides slayer and now with the cash, he has the potential to make up that 600m deficit pretty quickly, Aasiwat, if he/she even decided to go for 200m all which to my knowledge isn't his/her goal, he would hit skills like fishing and agility that would really slow him down. :) My 2 cents for the topic.