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There's a difference between them saying they're not going to do it and they have no plans to. No plans to means it's not something they're working on. Wouldn't do means they have something against that idea. I can guarantee you that they were thinking about doing a 2nd BXP before the first one even finished. But, they needed to see how well that one fared first. The Squeal, well that... happened. Not sure what these J coins you're talking about are, or these discontinued items. But, um, holiday events have been around for years and have items you can only get at that event. I have nothing against Jagex introducing more things like these. I'd rather see people pay for the SoF for limited time items then for exp. The thing is they SAID on the forums AND in clan chats after the first BXP took place that they had no plans on doing another, and a lot of people believed them, until that BTS came up that said they were doing another, and that wasn't years afterwards either. Jcoins are what you buy spins with, microtransactions, Real money giving you an advantage over others, something they said they would NEVER do. Though to be fair is in direct relation to the squeal, so I guess technically Squeal and Jcoins count as 1 example. I've been on RS since RSC, I know about holiday items, I guess I should have specified, the Fish mask, a new TRADEABLE discontinued item, something they said they would never do again after Santa hats, because of people selling for crazy profits and it not being in the spirit of why they were dropped, they tried untradeable stuff (Bunny Ears and Scythe) I don't know why but after that they stopped holiday items altogether until the Yo-yo was released, which was over a year after. (i think) Honestly none of that stuff even bothers me, I've never taken RS too seriously, my stats reflect that, haha. I just think its funny when people say something will never happen because a J-mod said so, when that doesn't really mean anything anymore. I have never heard of them saying they wouldn't be doing another BXPW and I'm willing to bet that it was due to misinterpretation of players("We have no plans atm" is just that, not "we won't be doing this") The release of a new rare was YEARS after the release of the last one. Back then they might have said we are not going to do this anymore, but you cannot reasonably hold people to what they've said ages ago, when the situation has changed a lot. Same with what happened with F2P adverts. While I don't like it that much, the outrage because MMG said in 2009 they wouldn't be doing it is ridiculous. And in this case, they have said that it WON'T come with this update and that there are *still* no plans for it. Yes, it might come in the future. I even think it will. But if there are no plans right now, at least not for another 6 months or so. I personally saw a forum post by a J-mod saying they weren't planning on it (another BXP) days after it happened, though I'm sure it's long gone by now, I couldn't have been the only who saw it, especially since it wasn't even my thread. (it was one complaining about it.) Sir Squab said he believes that they were thinking of another when they were making the first, and I do too, but I know I saw a J-mod say they weren't planning on it on the RSOF, but it seems to me that they were. My point is... not many people expected the updates that have been happening lately, and with more and more people becoming maxed and new subscriptions becoming less common, I'm sure they will try it, the question is when, I personally see it happening very soon, it seems like combat training might get a lot faster with the EoC, if that happens and it really is balanced better, it's gotta go up, or people will stop playing faster and faster, and it's probably a lot easier to just raise the level caps than make a new skill every year, look at how many people already have 200m DG xp, people keep getting faster and faster with the skills anyway, I dunno, maybe i'm crazy, or maybe I'm predicting it'll happen way sooner than it actually will. But in the end, I just can't see it happening any other way.

There's a difference between them saying they're not going to do it and they have no plans to. No plans to means it's not something they're working on. Wouldn't do means they have something against that idea. I can guarantee you that they were thinking about doing a 2nd BXP before the first one even finished. But, they needed to see how well that one fared first. The Squeal, well that... happened. Not sure what these J coins you're talking about are, or these discontinued items. But, um, holiday events have been around for years and have items you can only get at that event. I have nothing against Jagex introducing more things like these. I'd rather see people pay for the SoF for limited time items then for exp. The thing is they SAID on the forums AND in clan chats after the first BXP took place that they had no plans on doing another, and a lot of people believed them, until that BTS came up that said they were doing another, and that wasn't years afterwards either. Jcoins are what you buy spins with, microtransactions, Real money giving you an advantage over others, something they said they would NEVER do. Though to be fair is in direct relation to the squeal, so I guess technically Squeal and Jcoins count as 1 example. I've been on RS since RSC, I know about holiday items, I guess I should have specified, the Fish mask, a new TRADEABLE discontinued item, something they said they would never do again after Santa hats, because of people selling for crazy profits and it not being in the spirit of why they were dropped, they tried untradeable stuff (Bunny Ears and Scythe) I don't know why but after that they stopped holiday items altogether until the Yo-yo was released, which was over a year after. (i think) Honestly none of that stuff even bothers me, I've never taken RS too seriously, my stats reflect that, haha. I just think its funny when people say something will never happen because a J-mod said so, when that doesn't really mean anything anymore. And once again the thing is they said in videos and forum posts SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS UPDATE that they are NOT changing it. Therefore all arguments about 'they have said it before' are null and void because all previous instances were general statements that preceded the occurrence by months/years. This is information being actively and currently given specifically about the combat update. And since this topic is about the combat change that is kind of the end of the matter, SOf etc. is going entirely off-topic. I don't think it's entirely off topic at all, my reading of the topic was future combat level changes, increasing the the skills to 120 would in fact, change the max combat level, The SoF and other things are just my argument as to why it's a possible thing, even though they said they wouldn't. It's highly unlikely that it will be lumped in WITH the EoC update, but with EoC supposedly rebalancing combat entirely, there's no reason they couldn't release it VERY soon after, cause if they rebalance it with increasing the combats to 120 in mind all they have to do is change the numbers around, which I can't imagine would take that long at all. I'm not trying to argue with anybody, but again, it's just naive to think that it's something that could never possibly happen, especially with an argument as flimsy as Jagex's word, If they did a poll that said "Would you pay extra for higher level caps" and enough people said yes, I bet soon afterwards you'd see a new subscription option called "Super Members" for $14.99 or something, someone could make a fake news announcement on here saying they are adding something similar, and people would probably believe it, at least for a few minutes, because of Jagex recent actions, does it sound that unbelievable? Again, I don't see anything wrong with it, If i was maxed already, I'd pay extra to go higher. I don't think any of this is off topic either, 'cause it's all related to future combat level changes. EDIT: AND we don't know if all of the EoC is gonna come in one update, or all throughout the year anyway, not to mention tweaks/additions. New maxes might be here sooner than anyone thinks.

There's a difference between them saying they're not going to do it and they have no plans to. No plans to means it's not something they're working on. Wouldn't do means they have something against that idea. I can guarantee you that they were thinking about doing a 2nd BXP before the first one even finished. But, they needed to see how well that one fared first. The Squeal, well that... happened. Not sure what these J coins you're talking about are, or these discontinued items. But, um, holiday events have been around for years and have items you can only get at that event. I have nothing against Jagex introducing more things like these. I'd rather see people pay for the SoF for limited time items then for exp. The thing is they SAID on the forums AND in clan chats after the first BXP took place that they had no plans on doing another, and a lot of people believed them, until that BTS came up that said they were doing another, and that wasn't years afterwards either. Jcoins are what you buy spins with, microtransactions, Real money giving you an advantage over others, something they said they would NEVER do. Though to be fair is in direct relation to the squeal, so I guess technically Squeal and Jcoins count as 1 example. I've been on RS since RSC, I know about holiday items, I guess I should have specified, the Fish mask, a new TRADEABLE discontinued item, something they said they would never do again after Santa hats, because of people selling for crazy profits and it not being in the spirit of why they were dropped, they tried untradeable stuff (Bunny Ears and Scythe) I don't know why but after that they stopped holiday items altogether until the Yo-yo was released, which was over a year after. (i think) Honestly none of that stuff even bothers me, I've never taken RS too seriously, my stats reflect that, haha. I just think its funny when people say something will never happen because a J-mod said so, when that doesn't really mean anything anymore.

Hahaha... they are probably gonna be increasing the cap to 120 on combat skills, yeah they said they "wouldn't do it/have no plans to." But has that been stopping them lately? After the first BXP weekend they said they had no plans for another... then there's the Squeal, Jcoins, the new discontinued item... just sayin'

I was someone who was kinda mad when they stopped rares altogether... I like the idea of new rares, just not from the SoF... it should be like the old days where they just appear on the ground. I doubt these masks will ever hit 100m+ H'ween masks were only available for 1 day, these are gonna be available all summer, and people are gonna buy spins and stockpile them in hopes that they will go way up... I wouldn't be surprised if there are more fish masks than there are Santas in the game right now, and its still the first day. I'm not gonna be trying very hard to get one. Edit: I was too slow, haha.

I don't think there's any way that they're suddenly going to do what is the literal equivalent of turning non combat skills into combat skills. Remember the uproar over herblore when extremes/overloads were released? It wouldn't be as bad if it was limited to pvm, but I still think it would end up creating situations where you'd end up needing to train non combat skills to remain competitive at bosses, or get the best slayer exp rates or whatever. First, I'm in the camp that says a fully developed character both in skills, equipment and quests should have a better advantage over those that just leveled combat skills. I loved when they first introduced extreme potions then got mad when they nerfed the use. I love that high level quests gets a person access to high level combat items and abilities. Second, if they're reworking the combat level to be based upon what you're capable of at the moment (items in inventory, selected combat abilities, actual skill level) then there's no problem there either. If you select an ability unlocked from woodcutting, then your combat level will be higher anyway. Big assumption on my part, but time will tell. Third, as I said, gathering skills were already combat in nature. It's just that the NPC didn't move, had 1 hitpoint, and one guaranteed drop. Thinking about it more, I'd like to see them rework the gathering skills like they're reworking combat. What's wrong with some varied gathering animation in addition to some gathering specific abilities you can activate just like combat. Going a little further and having some abilities unlocked with non-combat skills have a benefit in combat would be a natural progression. My main point is that Jagex has a good window of opportunity here to make this expansive update to be more than just about combat. Incorporating abilities into all the other skills just makes more mundane aspects of the game more fun. It'd be kind of cool if an area of effect ability allowed you to gather logs from surrounding trees. Hell, it may even encourage Jagex to release skill based slayer monsters (golems, ents, sharks, tangleberries, etc) finally which would be like the monsters on Runespan but actually attack back. That actually makes a lot of sense, I would love to see it affecting skilling, realistically speaking, WCing (for example) in real life would make you stronger and more accurate if you think about it, as long as the kept it so you could choose to use the special combat related stuff or not, 'cause I'm sure a lot of people would hate it, I think it sounds awesome though. Even if it was totally separate from combat skill levels, it'd still be cool to be using the action bar to do special cuts, (WCing again) Like at 76 WC you'd get a skill called "Triple Chop" or something, that would give you 3 swings instead of one and has like a 2 minute cooldown, or AoE chops at various levels, they could even implement buffs at certain levels, just to make it more interactive. It would affect prices but most people don't make there money from WC, or any skill anymore for that matter.