Daviddts

Interesting prospective, many feel the same.:) I well be honest, a few months ago...We pretty much muted nothing, but we are muting more and more. Albiet it's serious things now, you're not going to see muting for "Kiss my @ss", but serious things that leads to major disruption, or threats. The issue in the past was so many corrupt moderators and power abusers (IMO), Jagex does not want that. Jagex wants player to protect the community, not ruin the experience. We don't want to ruin others experiences either, we are players, not above normal players, we simply try to protect those from serious threats. I'm not sure if I can cite recent examples of what has been taken out by PMods, that auto-mute couldn't do, but overall P-Mods are I feel coming back slowly, we aren't going to be muting like in the past (I wasn't a mod back then, but I know from seeing what some of muteable stuff was), as that really was piety stuff, IMO. I look for stuff such as mass spamming of chat, racism, seriously explicit discussion, ect. And I do want to emphasize why Jagex wants us involved in community, not so much in events just involved...In past the only role was to mute, they want us balanced, not just muters but they want us to be connected with the community. I fully understand that...You need to know the community if you're goingt to take action in it...I shouldn't be given mute ability and not understand the community. For example, your post don't make me mad, at all. I understand why you see us the way you do, I can relate in some form or another. While I don't want to see P-Mods removed, I understand you're not attacking me but the role overall, and I believe a lot of P-Mods in past didn't grasp this either....Hopefully more and more are.:) From what I've seen through the years, moderators overall are a great group of people...And so are all RS players, there are just a few bad apples in the regular community that ruin it for everyone. I wish moderators weren't needed, but I doubt a utopia is possible.:P

I can almost guarantee that this won't work. Members don't want to spend their time in free worlds, or at least they won't want to spent the necessary time to deal with things properly. A better solution would be to have more F2P mods. Given how Jagex feels towards pure F2P'ers though, that seems unlikely to happen. I will bring up more F2P mods as well, I do feel that is a better solution long-term.^_^

Yes, that's why I outlined I doubt Jagex would implement that solution. Player Moderator updates aren't top priority on the dev's list, in fact they are probably the lowest of pretty much anything. So, if it were removed it's likely no replacement would be added, which is why I would encourage the use of ignore vs. full removal. But I will relay this information.:)

This has been discussed before, but the reasons why it isn't removed is in some cases we do need players to see the chat we say. However, I do agree it can be annoying at times. I will bring this up, and I really like the option to toggle for players to hear it, but the issue is I highly doubt Jagex would spend time on implementing that, so we would be left with a harder time communicating in cases where needed. The best option I can give you however, and what I personally do is add them to ignore. It just takes a right-click and clicking their name, then you can no longer see their chat.:) I think this would be much more plausible than having the coding changed, but that's just me.

Could you be more specific? Such as what types of wrong mutes; website ads, clan ads, spamming, ect. I've been seeing a lot on spamming, and I'm pretty sure it's the auto-mute system. And what about game updates? :o Do you mean for reporting wise, or just to direct people to the source?^_^ I can probably tell you which one she's talking about - A friend of hers was near someone talking about drugs. Y'know, one of the "Wooo 420 r0x blaze and SWAD and get high 'cause I cool yo!" kinda teens. So the friend used themselves as an example, said they'd done it too at one point and pointed out why it was wrong. That friend was muted for it. I've personally been muted for some stupid stuff. Hell, at one of the recent TMHT events I was serenading Meredith (obviously joking around - he's a good friend) and received a nice lengthy mute for: Now, this next bit is more of a problem with Jagex, not the PMods but... Jagex doesn't respond to mute appeals. I have appeals from years ago that have still went unanswered, the latest unanswered one being Nov 12th (I just don't appeal anymore). Now, If you're going to give PMods the power to mute, do your damn job and actually allow the people appeal their mutes. Thanks for extending the information.:) I'll bring up some of those points in the discussion on drug related things, and when to mute. Also, I will touch up on, even if you're mute isn't appealed, there is a team that handles P-Mod mutes and they are checked very quickly (from what I've seen, they are being reviewed within 10-30 minutes), so if the mute stayed it means a J-Mod reviewed it, and felt it was needed. Which, we have no control over.:P We actually get feedback on accuracy very often, and know when we muted wrong/right, and if a P-Mod has muted, or even made too many wrong reports that can result in action as well. Overall, the mute is very little used by myself, I never use it on stuff like the above -- and I'm a believer it shouldn't be, I think that would be fine with a report and review from Jagex, but that's my opinion. Anyway, I'll bring those points up.^_^

I personally like the idea, and I've suggested ways to do this several times. I'd personally love to see public Player Moderator forums where we could quickly spread news/updates to the community, but that's doubtful as many feel the forums are the domain of F-Mods only, not P-Mods. So we are very limited in what we can do, due to only being able to communicate in-game through the chat. We represent the community in many ways already, overall P-Mods pretty much have the same viewpoints as players in the community. If the community is pushing something rules wise...Chances are P-Mods have already been doing so for days before, in some cases months. The only information however, you'd really be able to get from us is rules updates and things like that. We aren't given any future content information, if we ask we're told what other players would be, which is wait and see. While we do have a place to say our thoughts about the game, it's not nearly as active as HLF's. The community really has a better chance by going to the public forums and gathering attention. While J-Mods don't usually post in the forums (remember, it's the dev J-Mods checking these threads, and it's not their place to reply, only collect), they do read it. But if you have specific suggestions on how we can get information to the community I'd be happy to hear it.:)

Does anyone else get the feeling that he's not reading our posts? At least, not mine? Gods this is like talking to Jagex ... #-o I've read all post so far, but some were too OT. I'm sorry if I came off as rude/not listening, I do want your true/actual opinions...But I also need a bit more to work with in some cases, I understand people don't like P-Mods, I even understand why a lot don't -- but I need to know how you think that can be changed. I'll mention W77 and the spam there, thanks!^_^ I do agree, from what I've seen it's pretty hectic at times -- and very hard to find a floor. I have read every post so far, including yours.:) While I see points in your post, you never really outlined away you thought P-Mods could be improved. I'm not here to argue with your view points/ideas, but I do need something to work with.:P What would you like to see mods doing differently? I'm not going to put specific things you need to outline with it, it can be anything. From my POV, we do much more than most think: We are the "eyes" and "ears" for Jagex, we quickly report arising issues to them, and find ways to solve them. Without P-Mods, Jagex would need a lot more JMods for sorting things rules wise, even if we don't mute it -- we get it to their attention. We are constantly discussing the rules and effects they have. Tired of the gambling threads that used to flood the forums? I've seen them quoted one hundred times over, and with tons of discussions on the course that should be taken. I feel it is important however, to have discussion like this -- while the community has more say, P-Mods are a more concentrated group, and most cases we have unbiased opinions. We handle serious risk to players; real life threats, child abuse claims, ect. While the average player could, in some cases a quick mute is needed, IMO. If a new issue arises that could lead to major trouble, P-Mods are often the first to go and aid the community, and we inform Jagex right away. The same for number 1 pretty much. There are many other things, of course I can't go into them all -- but I feel P-Mods are needed, but I'm not here to argue we are/aren't.:P Mod Chris L was heavily involved in the design for the max/completionist capes, so it's no wonder that he'd be more willing and quick to work on a piece of content much closer to his heart :P Next to that he has a fair part into combat stuff... Which only goes to demonstrate three things: 1. Jagex has lost touch with the average player. If the only forum that they listen to is the HLF, then they’ve lost contact with pretty much everyone else. HLF does not represent the “average” player. (b) That said, neither do PMods represent the average player -- nor will they ever represent the average player. The moment you advance an ordinary player to another category, such as a PMod, that player loses his/her “average player” status. As such, Pmods are useless as a liaison group in much the same way the HLF is useless as a liaison group. (iii) If anything, Jagex should be pouring over forums like TIF for more average player Feedback. All the more so because these forums, while moderated, are not generally moderated in such a manner as to spoon-feed the tender egos of Jmods when they break what is not already broken and ignore the obvious and sometimes glaring omissions in game. I mean, really, hello? Jmods! Let’s stop with the SOF and SGS updates and get Prifddinas up and running already? Ok? Hello? Hello!!! *tap tap* Is this thing on? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? :unsure: I think he lost it perhaps because Blyaunt rambled on again and the content of the ramble was not original, as far as Runescape being geared around the completionist cape, well der! I thought that was the aim of the game, to get to the end so to speak, and on the subject of PMods, there seems to be a barrage of wrongful mutes recently , I was always of the opinion that PMods should be up to date on game updates etc., the ones I know have trouble finding the home page or even watching the BTS, if they are made PMod's then at least keep up with game updates but I think the main problem is that Jagex does not follow up on such reports, recently there was a mute (not me) that should have been investigated further. I also know a few mods on game who actually will hunt someone or a clan just to get some kind of personal gratification, or do it for a friend, I know because this has happened to me heh heh.... I do not think its the PMod as it is Jagex themselves. Seriously, if they don't want to work on that, then why have a chat at all. So other than hiring more staff, maybe Jagex should not be spreading themselves so thinly, SOF seems now to be the distraction thrown at us when they let us down yet again.... And I have waves of "Shut up Meg" flow over me for some reason..... Could you be more specific? Such as what types of wrong mutes; website ads, clan ads, spamming, ect. I've been seeing a lot on spamming, and I'm pretty sure it's the auto-mute system. And what about game updates?:o Do you mean for reporting wise, or just to direct people to the source?^_^

I thank all of you for your contributions so far!^_^ But could I please ask we stay on topic? I'm not able to do anything about the state of the HLF's, regardless of what my opinion is. I do understand in someways HLF's and P-Mods tie together, but not really much at all. Also, I fully understand some of you dislike P-Mods, I've had bad experiences with P-Mods in the past as well -- I've only been a P-Mod for 1 year out of the 5-6 years I've played. However, my personal opinion is I see P-Mods as needed, because certain things arise that need immediate action, or things such as gambling which was a huge disruption to most of the community, which although it took along time to get the ball rolling, it was taken out quickly when allowed. What I'm asking for is ways you feel the P-Mod team can be improved, then I plan to relay this information to other P-Mods for discussion, and I'm sure changes will come out of it. As I said, I know some of you hate P-Mods, but P-Mods will not be removed from the game anytime soon (if ever), so I think a compromise could be mad and you could discuss what you think could improve your relations with the P-Mods.:) Some examples I've seen from other areas: - One player was muted for saying a fansite name on a few occasions; so I'll be relaying P-Mods need to know fansite information. - One player said F2P is full of rule breakers and not enough mods; a possible solution is P2P mods visiting F2P worlds. - One player said P-Mods aren't proactive enough in the community. This is the type of things I'm looking for, it can be anything. "Start dealing with X", ect. I'm not set on what it needs to be, but as long as it's something with a solution and not just "I hate mods!! They need removed!!" Thanks all for post so far!:D

Something mentioned a lot here is how little P-Mods do now muting wise, which I think should be clarified that for the past few years we were muting pretty much nothing, but slowly it's been changing. Of course, you're not going to see full out muting like in the past for things like saying little things, but I think major issues will resume being tackled, we can already see how gambling was cleared. The P-Mod role changing has been really hidden, and a lot of what's going on isn't being announced publically, which is something I think may be important. From my prospective, P-Mods are currently moving to a "balance" between community engagements and rule enforcing. Jagex doesn't want a player controlling others, they want players taking out situations that could lead to harm, or heavy disruption, but also players who care for the community and will not mis-use their power. Of course, that's from my VP. I will read all other things when I get time, I've read over most post so far. I thank all of oyu for taking the time to contribute!:)

Hello Everyone! I'm a Player Moderator of RuneScape, and I'm looking to do a monthly 'gathering' session with the fansite community, to get a general consensus of Player Moderator in the RuneScape community. It should be acknowledged this is not an official Jagex hosted initiative/post. However, I do plan to relay the feedback to other Player Moderators as well. ^_^ I will be compiling all responses from this thread into a monthly report-type style, and then presenting it to others. Information I'm looking for is pretty much anything around the Player Moderator role, not so much questions but constructive criticism/critique. Some examples are below: How do you think the Player Moderator team could be improved? What would you like to see Player Moderators doing more of? (Events, Competitions, Q&A's, ect.) Do you agree with the current Player Moderator's role in the community? (Explain) Are there any current issue's in the community you feel Player Moderators should be addressing? Any other thoughts on Player Moderators? I look forward to seeing everyone's thoughts/opinions on this topic, and it doesn't have to be limited to the above, I want this to be an open discussion thread to get the actual thoughts/feelings from the community on Player Moderators. If you have any questions about Player Moderators, I ask you don't post them here -- but you're welcomed to message me here, or in-game -- I'd like to keep this thread collective feedback only so it's easier to compile the information. I appreciate your time in reading this! Thanks, Daviddts :grin: