Okay, Tip.It's quest help gets it wrong again! A few years ago I swore I would never write in forums again with the number of careless stuff ups and errors I find in Quest Help. However, I have had a number of Runescape friends and myself have had nothing but trouble using the Elemental Workshop III Puzzle formula for Puzzle # 2. Using the formula as suggested by Tip.It does not, repeat does not give you the desired result as shown in their Puzzle 2 diagram. One of two things; either the diagram pic is wrong or the formula is wrong. Which, I do not know, but as a suggestion I feel the written formula is incorrectly written down. I have tried their Puzzle 2 solution formula several times exactly as they have written it, and I have had over the shoulder supervision watching itensely my movements as per Tip.It's instructions and the puzzle refuses to come out matching their picture solution. So, players if you are still having trouble with Elemental Workshop III puzzles don't feel too bad because even the so-called quest experts who endeavour to help, they cannot get it right either. Sorry I cannot offer a correct solution but if someone does know the correct formula I am sure Tip.It and thousands of other players would really apprecite it added here. Thanks. Cheers all. Ozteddybear Skill lvl 2405