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Im not saying Jagex is infallible, in fact, I am as far opposed from that as possible. I'm saying however, that Jagex is a monopolist about the game, and that they can do whatever the hell they want with it, including its content. They have made this game easier over the years simply to satisfy customers, even though they weren't required to do so.
This was my point - just because they can do anything they want doesn't mean that they always make the right decisions. You don't appear to have a problem with Jagex doing whatever the hell they want, so why then are you so interested in how I play Castle Wars?
Because Jagex isn't working in a team, and you are. You take advantage (not tickets, but the games) of others staying there and waste their time. As much as you expect them to stay there until the end of the game, they expect you to participate, yet you don't.
I'm not breaking any rules by loafing there, yet you and several others seem to have a problem with it because I don't share your opinion on it's supposed validity. And by the way, Jagex has been making the game easier for their own gain; by doing so, they attract more new customers, but alienate veteran players at the same time. It's not like they've honestly looked through player feedback and decided to start doing this out of the goodness of their own hearts - it's a calculated business move. [/Quote]Yet still a move they did not require to make, they chose to do that.
Because if Jagex doesn't like the way we're playing the game, they're just a snap from a finger away to changing it all, making it even harder for us. That's the power they possess, and being gentle by giving you this opportunity as they are, I feel like you shouldnt abuse it to the max, as with it you abuse their trust on how you should be playing the game.Certainly, if they wish to act on this, then they are free to do so. Have you ever heard of emergent gameplay? There's plenty of it in RS, and ultimately, Jagex's "intentions" mean very little. Not everything goes according to their plans.
Concerning how I'm supposedly taking the easy way out on earning the Comp (t), I strongly disagree with you. It may be the "completionist" cape, but that doesn't mean that everyone who wants one should be forced to meet all of the requirements the hard way. Plenty of people take short-cuts (not through macroing or breaking the rules...) to level skills faster or more efficiently; should they be criticised for "taking the easy way out" as well? Whether or not players decide to loaf at Castle Wars for the requirement shouldn't (and doesn't) matter, as they'll have to dedicate the same amount of ingame time regardless.[/Quote] I dont criticise them simply because they at least put SOME effort in, opposed to your loafing.
And besides, you don't feel like answering/arguing over a hypothetical question, but you do want to make a hypothetical requirement, which can yet again been seen as something we could be arguing over. Makes me somewhat believe that you try to avoid hard cases and create easy ones simply for your own benefit, which shouldnt be the main issue here.What? How is my opinion on what the Castle Wars requirement should be in any way "hypothetical"? That isn't what the word means. And what "hard cases" am I avoiding, exactly? I don't understand what you mean by that.[/Quote]
looking over the whole topic, as soon as you get something which sound correct to almost anyone, you counter by calling it irrelevant instead of thinking what the other person is trying to say with the examples given.
In general, I consider your ideas to be selfish, and see that you take other people who take this game seriously as a joke and laugh away the comments they make about disagreeing with you. If you really were to have the same mindset in real life as you have ingame, I doubt you will achieve much. And if you say you don't have the same mindset in real life, I wonder what's the difference (without the 'it's just a game' argument, as I'm refering to social interaction with others here.)
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[/hide]I have a question for the OP. If you were able to choose (which you aren't of course, but taken the thought that you were able to), would you prefer the requirement of the Ccape to be 'participating in 5k Castle wars games' or have it be, say, 'Win 2.5k Castle wars games'? In general, people will prefer option A, because less efford is required, only more time is required. You call option A an absurd requirement, but if Jagex had picked option B, the general crowd would have considered the requirement even more crazy, even though less time is required. You should be happy that Jagex has given you a requirement which is AFK-able, but don't take advantage by AFKing it fully. Put some effort in, show the creators of the minigame you are thankfull for the requirement being made relatively easy by playing the game it is supposed to be played, instead of finding the loopholes in any of the requirements or possibilities they give you.
They make this game while having a view of how the game should be played, and playing the game by not playing the game is a disrespectful way of showing 'gratitude' to it's creators. They don't HAVE to do anything for you, they could quite possibly also just agree to get rid of the Ccape in a couple of months. If they do, they don't need to apologise about it either, because it's their game. It's all about giving and taking both equally, only that way we can keep everyone happy. Don't blame your loafing on somebody else's actions (in this case, blaming jagex for the requirement), but instead, play the game at least partially and be happy you aren't required to actually win, because that would make the requirement much much harder.
You're saying I should be grateful to Jagex for deciding to "only" require 5000 Castle Wars games, since they could have made the requirement much more difficult...? No disrespect intended, but that is a terrible argument if I've ever seen one. I hope I'm misinterpreting your meaning, and please correct me if I am. :blink:
Let's do a bit of math: 5000 games multiplied by 25 minutes per game = 125000 minutes or approximately 87 straight days spent playing Castle Wars. Is this not ridiculous? I don't believe most Skills even require that much time to be leveled from 1-99 by experienced players. After reading this, can you honestly tell me that requiring players to dedicate that much time to a single minigame is reasonable? And yet you say I should be grateful... It truly is funny in a depressing sort of way.
Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but after reading your post, you strike me as the type of person who considers Jagex (as the game developer) to be infallible. You don't necessarily have to take my word for it, but that can't be farther from the truth. And to answer your question (at least in part), I believe requiring 500 games would have been ideal. Sorry, but I'm not interested in answering/arguing over hypothetical questions, so I've just given you my opinion on what the requirement should have been.
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Im not saying Jagex is infallible, in fact, I am as far opposed from that as possible. I'm saying however, that Jagex is a monopolist about the game, and that they can do whatever the hell they want with it, including its content. They have made this game easier over the years simply to satisfy customers, even though they weren't required to do so. They could have made getting the Ccape much harder than they have now, but they didn't. You can say achieving the Ccape is somewhat like finishing the game, completing the game and being done with it. In some games, it's easy to complete the game, and in others (like MMORPGs) it's almost impossible. They give you an option to make you feel like you finished the game, and give it this requirement. Yet you take the easy way through to get to 'the end'. It's not the way Jagex wants to see you get to the end, and that you should keep in mind. Because if Jagex doesn't like the way we're playing the game, they're just a snap from a finger away to changing it all, making it even harder for us. That's the power they possess, and being gentle by giving you this opportunity as they are, I feel like you shouldnt abuse it to the max, as with it you abuse their trust on how you should be playing the game.
And besides, you don't feel like answering/arguing over a hypothetical question, but you do want to make a hypothetical requirement, which can yet again been seen as something we could be arguing over. Makes me somewhat believe that you try to avoid hard cases and create easy ones simply for your own benefit, which shouldnt be the main issue here.
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I have a question for the OP. If you were able to choose (which you aren't of course, but taken the thought that you were able to), would you prefer the requirement of the Ccape to be 'participating in 5k Castle wars games' or have it be, say, 'Win 2.5k Castle wars games'? In general, people will prefer option A, because less efford is required, only more time is required. You call option A an absurd requirement, but if Jagex had picked option B, the general crowd would have considered the requirement even more crazy, even though less time is required. You should be happy that Jagex has given you a requirement which is AFK-able, but don't take advantage by AFKing it fully. Put some effort in, show the creators of the minigame you are thankfull for the requirement being made relatively easy by playing the game it is supposed to be played, instead of finding the loopholes in any of the requirements or possibilities they give you.
They make this game while having a view of how the game should be played, and playing the game by not playing the game is a disrespectful way of showing 'gratitude' to it's creators. They don't HAVE to do anything for you, they could quite possibly also just agree to get rid of the Ccape in a couple of months. If they do, they don't need to apologise about it either, because it's their game. It's all about giving and taking both equally, only that way we can keep everyone happy. Don't blame your loafing on somebody else's actions (in this case, blaming jagex for the requirement), but instead, play the game at least partially and be happy you aren't required to actually win, because that would make the requirement much much harder.
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just found out that you need to have the slashed book from EW 1 in your inven to smith it.
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i got the bars, now what do i do with them to make it into a body?
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Got cut last on Tr's side. GF CL
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Thanks for the fight NG, Thanks for the fight TR
We did good Ng, sorry I couldnt be there because of football practise.
Better luck next time my TR mates, sorry I wasnt there because of football practise
~Yea Idk what to type, I'm in both clans >.<
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[10:53:18] <Ralphy> post on my blog
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this is the best I have right now, the log of our conversation. If it isnt enough, I'm sure Gilly will post here.
Thats good, but what I need is proof of you agreeing that this war would be for TWR.
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this is the best I have right now, the log of our conversation. If it isnt enough, I'm sure Gilly will post here.
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Link to the declaration: We Did not set up the fight on the forums as a TWR, but decided at the end of the declaration it'd be a TWR fight. As we wanted to go PvP we decided not to post the rules on these forums to advoid crashers
Winning clan (both name + initials): MoD Masters of Dragons
Winning clan's member-list: http://runehead.com/clans/ml.php?clan=modrags
Losing clan (both name + initials): Mori The Moriquendi
Losing clan's member-list: http://runehead.com/clans/ml.php?clan=mori
Starting/ending ops of both clans (screenshot is valid proof):
The fight was planned to be pvp, but with all worlds being crowded at the time and Mori didnt want to go different bounds, we hopped to CWA.
Thanks for the fight Mori, you're always a great clan to fight.
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Yes starting was 8 people.
I was pissed off to see my members getting koed in a 8vs8 but thats life i guess.
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Link to the declaration: viewtopic.php?f=216&t=796555
Winning clan (both name + initials): Masters of Dragons + MoD
Winning clan's member-list: http://www.runehead.com/clans/ml.php?clan=modrags
Losing clan (both name + initials): Lost Heaven
Losing clan's member-list: http://www.runehead.com/clans/ml.php?clan=antex123
Starting/ending ops of both clans (screenshot is valid proof):
Starting:
MoD: 23
LH: 16
Ending:
MoD: 17
LH: 0
Both clans had pretty bad pulls because of summer most likely, but we went ahead and had a good time anyways. Warring is always fun, especially when you win, so thanks for the fun time we had LH! Hope you had some fun aswell at the least!
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do it only to people who have "pure" in their name, so u know the guy's a pure and you're prepared for it. Like "Rival Pure" and other nicks.
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Sorry for double post, but decided to fill in the template:
Link to the declaration: viewtopic.php?f=216&t=794688
Winning clan (both name + initials): Masters of Dragons MoD
Winning clan's member-list: http://runehead.com/clans/ml.php?clan=modrags
Losing clan (both name + initials): The Moriquendi
Losing clan's member-list: http://runehead.com/clans/ml.php?clan=mori
Starting/ending ops of both clans (screenshot is valid proof): screens are posted in first post
24-24 starting
MoD ending: 6
Mori ending: 0
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Thanks for the fight Mori, always a pleasure fighting you ^^
I got 4 or 5 kills and an assist. I got tiels & Gilthimus prime's killpic now :)
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You were the better clan yet again, but just wait till we improved again. MoD... Keeps.... Coming.... BACK....
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I agree with kiwi, Good fight.
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Lamps 100%
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Mass bs asks for mass dissection...
Notice, that all the clean up on the posts that TWR mods had to do was your clan member's posts. Surely they were relevant enough not to be deleted? Or more like flame-free enough not to be deleted? You claim we flamed you during the war, yet you cannot even hold your tongue or at least stand your ground in a public Clan Forum, quite hypocritical and the same goes for your essay sadly...
Second of all, It's quite obvious what LGZ is here for, and even though "LGZ doesnt have to talk backs on here" I think there are more clans on the TWR list that dislike you more than like you, seeing the kind of challenges you put up (seriously, I dont think I've seen a fight LGZ could have actually lost since we got here.) When you challenged us, I wanted to show the rest of TWR your weaknesses, hence why I made those 2 sets of rules.
I'm not even sure what to say about this para. The amount of arrogant judgmental statements is quite high, and whats funny is that you recently joined TWR and you make judgments that clans who have been here since time can't even make.
The first one had as weakness of you needing to match opts with us, the second one had range off. To me it looked like you accepted the 2nd set of rules, not seeing range being accepted. After the time it got accepted, I posted the rules on our boards and did not watch the declaration again (so far your "you had 10 days to stare at it").
Hmm, a matched opts; with you having 28 120+ and us having 8. You must be extremely fair.
The second one was full out with range off. Now pay attention here, listen carefully... I replied back simply asking 'can range be on?'. Then you replied, accepting. Now, there was a mishap of you not seeing it. Ok, now when war time came and we told you rules said range is on, why did you still not agree then? Screens clearly show you completely ignored it. That only leads to you stalling.
Now you said, you had to re-organize to do range on? We waited 45min and you still wanted range off, how long does it take to re-organize for a range on war?
You brought up you'd fight on turrets without range, which I accepted, but then you started to flame us by calling us scared for arrows etc. You decided to threathen us with calling a TWR MoD if we did not accept your rules of Range on on Turrets all of a sudden. Your leader started to act very immaturely towards me, showing what kind of person he actually is (I mean, little kids copy their parents behaviour towards them and the way you were talking to me felt the exact same way).Man, i love the amount of bs you put in your posts. Why don't you come out with screens of us flaming about arrows? We THREATENED you? Thats a big word. It was 30min past the war time, and we wanted to get the rules set up, you did not want to war with the TWR Rules, even when you read the TWR declaration yourself and saw Range was on, that is clear proof that it was no longer a 'misunderstanding' but more of you taking advantage of it. We decided to call a TWR Mod in, how is that a threat, why do you seem very alienated to rules and order.
We did not lose anyone during the wait whereas you lost 10?Our clan has a schedule, not sure if yours does, but the war was scheduled to start at 3:30pm est. By the time you stalled, it was 4:15pm est. Yes, our guys have lives, things to do other than wait for mod to re-organize.
2 mins were up so we walked north as we were ready to atk (as rules stated clan who pulled the least attacks), only finding out you rushing us just before we entered the boundaries and screaming "OMFG BOUNDS" "BOUNDS""OMG SICKOS NICE BOUNDS" already.
Oh, wait... so, when rules state Range on, its okay for you to break it but when we attack first, its not. And that last part, if i was just as arrogant as you, i can make up lies. Back up what you say with screenshots or zip it.
And boy you were lucky, picking one of our newer members who has not been to our clan drills yet and therefore did not know much about our boundaries yet. He outtanked 3 LGZ aswell before running out of bounds accidentally. This was your reason to come back and scream "DQ". We however were unaware of the situation and continued the fight, which you did aswell.Dude, what are you on? That war was a FUN WAR. Read previous comments, some of our members even said plainly that they didn't care about it, because it was so one-sided, it wasn't worth the effort. You got all the rules you pretty much asked for?
And so you find it okay for some of your 'new' members to go out of bounds, yet for us, it isn't. I seriously do not understand your logic.
LGZ does not want any points from this 'war'. The amount of bs, lies, and arrogant judgments that were just posted are on another level. Just makes me wow, i now understand how you guys recently came from a slump and wouldn't be surprised if you go back.
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Mass bs asks for mass dissection...
We did flame and I know we did. I never said we did not flame. I however made sure we did not flame past-fight by getting everyone to hop. The topic has not only be cleared by our members' posts and you know that aswell, as where 2 directions fight 2 directions get in trouble.
I'm not even sure what to say about this para. The amount of arrogant judgmental statements is quite high, and whats funny is that you recently joined TWR and you make judgments that clans who have been here since time can't even make.LGZ vs AKEL
LGZ vs TEH
LGZ vs NK (to a lesser extent but still)
First page war topic. I do not see how AKEL or TEH could even get close to a victory. During the time MoD has been on the list we declared on clans who we thought could give us a decent fight. We declared on Downfall, LND, TDM, we had a challenge for mori, we currently accepted Downfall yet again and are talking to BK about a fight. As we got out of our slump we found out the challenges were not as hard as first expected, but that is because we are growing pretty fast at the moment. We however do not see the urge to fight clans like AKEL and TEH for free points. We got here on the list for extra wars, and which you, according to your challenges (shall I get those aswell) are only out here for free points to become #1.
The second one was full out with range off. Now pay attention here, listen carefully... I replied back simply asking 'can range be on?'. Then you replied, accepting. Now, there was a mishap of you not seeing it. Ok, now when war time came and we told you rules said range is on, why did you still not agree then? Screens clearly show you completely ignored it. That only leads to you stalling.Yes I misread on the topic and yes I did accept that at that time, HOWEVER I did not know range was on, and like I said, I did not want to fight you with range on in a fullout. The stalling took place as you completely ignored my ingame comments and started to act like [hide=](your parents probably do to you)[/hide] treating me like a 4 year old. I do not accept any behaviour like that towards me, and that made me more eager not to fight you under those rules.
Our clan has a schedule, not sure if yours does, but the war was scheduled to start at 3:30pm est. By the time you stalled, it was 4:15pm est. Yes, our guys have lives, things to do other than wait for mod to re-organize.Our clan has a schedule aswell, but my members were eager to fight a war they had seen coming for 10 days. Yes our members have lives aswell but they were happy to set those appointments aside to see what happened during the actual fight. Them leaving actually shows even more you only cared about the free points gotten from this "forfeit" and that those members were not there to fight for their clan's pride, which also was shown on this topic with members saying 'I didnt even care about winning anyways'. Once again proven you only cared about the free points
Oh, wait... so, when rules state Range on, its okay for you to break it but when we attack first, its not. And that last part, if i was just as arrogant as you, i can make up lies. Back up what you say with screenshots or zip it.We didnt get to fight that match as you won your free points now did we? And for backing up with screenshots, the vid shows everything we need. You agreed to fighting on my terms, and then broke it anyways, that's a prove of your disrespect towards our clan. But we, instead of you, did not immediately run towards the portal to leave and restart, we did what we came for and fight.
Dude, what are you on? That war was a FUN WAR. Read previous comments, some of our members even said plainly that they didn't care about it, because it was so one-sided, it wasn't worth the effort. You got all the rules you pretty much asked for?And so you find it okay for some of your 'new' members to go out of bounds, yet for us, it isn't. I seriously do not understand your logic.
The war was a fun war yes, but the fun got ruined by your members just blatantly breaking the rules, when they DID have the knowledge on how the rules worked. Our newer member broke the bounds because he did NOT know the bounds were there, your members broke it even though knowing about the rules. The war was not needed to be one sided if you actually cared about fighting and winning the war anyways. But no you got what you came for (your free points) so who couldnt care less?
LGZ does not want any points from this 'war'. The amount of bs, lies, and arrogant judgments that were just posted are on another level. Just makes me wow, i now understand how you guys recently came from a slump and wouldn't be surprised if you go back.Be honest. You dont want points from this because you want to make me look like a lying, cheating warlord and make our clan look worse than yours in overal. Im not saying we stayed clean, perfect angels, but what you did disgusted me more, and actually posting it like it went allright disgusts me even more. Oh and we've been around for 5 years no, we know how to deal with slumps now and we will get back in one during the time we're alive, but the way you're showing yourself on these public clan boards make me believe that as soon as you'd really hit your first slump you'd actually close the clan instead :)
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So for that misscommunication, we will allow LGZ to have the TWR points, even though we won the actual fight. We are here for fights, not war ranks ;) -Kiwiwithbow
for LGZ, READ IT CLOSELY AND STOP WHINNING.LGZ, i am very well aware that you are trying to get ranked #1 on TWR. MoD is here for fun and you all keep fighting for useless stuff. They are giving you the point. stop fighting over stupid things a 3rd grader would. :wall:
I like you.
First of all, Yes it was my fault about misreading. Second of all, It's quite obvious what LGZ is here for, and even though "LGZ doesnt have to talk backs on here" I think there are more clans on the TWR list that dislike you more than like you, seeing the kind of challenges you put up (seriously, I dont think I've seen a fight LGZ could have actually lost since we got here.) When you challenged us, I wanted to show the rest of TWR your weaknesses, hence why I made those 2 sets of rules. The first one had as weakness of you needing to match opts with us, the second one had range off. To me it looked like you accepted the 2nd set of rules, not seeing range being accepted. After the time it got accepted, I posted the rules on our boards and did not watch the declaration again (so far your "you had 10 days to stare at it").
Then we met up and you accepted the fight twice under the rules I posted, but leaving soon after. You brought up you'd fight on turrets without range, which I accepted, but then you started to flame us by calling us scared for arrows etc. You decided to threathen us with calling a TWR MoD if we did not accept your rules of Range on on Turrets all of a sudden. Your leader started to act very immaturely towards me, showing what kind of person he actually is (I mean, little kids copy their parents behaviour towards them and the way you were talking to me felt the exact same way). TWR Mod came and I explained her what I wanted. I made it very clear on the instance that I do not care about points and that MoD just joined the rankings for frequent, fun wars.
We got our fight anyways, the fight under the rules set I posted. We were happy and getting ready for the war. We did not lose anyone during the wait whereas you lost 10? 2 mins were up so we walked north as we were ready to atk (as rules stated clan who pulled the least attacks), only finding out you rushing us just before we entered the boundaries and screaming "OMFG BOUNDS" "BOUNDS""OMG SICKOS NICE BOUNDS" already. You piled me, and with me being suprised by it, I gave the lead to the next fallin leader and started tanking. I outtanked 7 or 8 LGZ on my own, which you saw aswell of course and started flaming and trying to find things you could see as rule breaking so you could have your easy-way-out autowin on this fight aswell. And boy you were lucky, picking one of our newer members who has not been to our clan drills yet and therefore did not know much about our boundaries yet. He outtanked 3 LGZ aswell before running out of bounds accidentally. This was your reason to come back and scream "DQ". We however were unaware of the situation and continued the fight, which you did aswell. We koed right left and in the centre while you had alot of trouble killing our lower leveled, inexperienced clan members. So instead of ending this war in a proper way, you decided to act immaturely and run out of bounds aswell, not just the one person we had, no, the people who tanked ran out of bounds already and the last 5 left of LGZ decided to go all the way Southeast of the map and wait for us to come. We did came there and started to kill those members off aswell, before they started running to single-combat areas. From that point on our members got pretty much pissed off, as they had been flamed by your members and had other things to do as chasing around 3 people in single (we had 2 people turning 18 \
) But they stayed and started flaming back your single-combat huggers. Although we had better things to do, we got to kill those last 3 and immediately left the fightworld to make sure we would not flame past-fight. You however had no trouble finding the right ways to avoid the jagex censor, and I bet our pmod member would have had a great time there if he would have showed.
In the end, we both got what we came for. You got your free points (most likely) and we get our fun fight, in which we completely destroyed you. You threaten us about not getting fights on TWR anymore, but I do have the feeling there are more clans on here who respect a 5-year-old, fun-war-looking clan then a clan who challenges other clans on the TWR list when they have no choice but to accept and have no chance but to lose.
My story, I hope Lady does not delete it as it's my point of view, and being at the centre where the most issues floated around, I do think this is a proper summary in what happened (My eyes of course as even though I try to be objective I can not be and will not try to overlay my oppinions as facts)
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Link to the declaration: viewtopic.php?f=216&t=795534
Winning clan (both name + initials): Masters of Dragons / MoD
Winning clan's member-list: http://www.runehead.com/clans/ml.php?clan=modrags
Losing clan (both name + initials): The Death Monkeighs Warring List TDMWL
Losing clan's member-list: http://www.runehead.com/clans/ml.php?clan=tdmwar
Starting/ending ops of both clans (screenshot is valid proof):
Starting:
MoD: 40
TDMWL: 18
Ending:
MoD: 36
TDMWL: 0
Too bad about the number difference, if it'd be closer it might have been more fun. Better luck next time I guess. Hope for a rematch soon if you'd be up for it.
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I have everything written down:
Our 5 snipers were
Darkblas
Quickdeath
HK_JK
Sloth_927
Fear 0f War
Our 5 Rangers were
Darkblas
Fear 0f War
I r Baboon I
Nulphyou
I pk u drunk
The flames will be dealt with innerclan, dont worry. MoD is a clan who respects their opponents, and flaming is not one way to do so.
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Link to Declaration: viewtopic.php?f=216&t=795676
MoD has signed up for the TWR, and had a few wars for these rankings already, but lost them all so far. For today, we had a fight with LND planned, which is a team consisting of very experienced warrers so we knew we had to put up a good fight. Our mass was good, and when the war got accepted we knew we had a major number advantage, but seeing as they have a better combat average and are mostly better warrers then us (we're rebuilding with an inexperienced group so TWR is a good learning spot). The war started off very evenly, but soon our numbers started to take the best off LND, and soon we ended with 23 people remaining out of 33 starting. Props to LND as they did good being outnumbered like this. We had another fight to learn, and we'll keep things in mind for next time.
Also sorry about the bit of flaming during and after? will be taken care off of course.
MoD Starting: 33
LND Starting: 18
MoD ending: 23
LND ending: 0
"Loafing" in Minigames
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Your arrogance and stubbornness are so strongly present in all of your posts, it really doesnt have much use to continue arguing on this topic as you're not even thinking about changing your attitude about the matter. It tires me and frustrates me, and I really can't use that during my exam period so I'm going to end here. You feel the Time dedication is enough dedication already, but you fail to see the point of social interaction in this game, and that shocks me. But yea, I am off, as I said already, so have fun loafing in Castle Wars as I dont think anyone here on this topic will ever change your mind.