I think perhaps we can all agree on these things: 1. The majority of all idiots/jerks/noobs/racists are under 15. That is not to say that all people under 15 are idiots, nor that the majority of them are. 2. Everyone has whined some in this thread, and it does noone any good to complain about someone elses whining. And now I sit back and wait for someone to flame me because with this thread it is sure to happen. Someone is sure to call me a "whiner", a "noob", or an "overall moron". Cause lets face it...all this thread has been for the last 4 pages is people calling each other idiots and whiners, and complaining about the amount of whining.