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first off i didnt really lose. lol second everyone elses opinions who havent played wow dont matter...... so because i disagree with ur childish statement that makes me have no life? uh huh. on top of that i already know ur stupid because u asked the question in the frist place who copied who anyone with half a brain would realize that noone copied anyone.... third its bye not by fourth um ur arguing on a gaming forum........ that makes u a nerd..... Plus saying someone has no life is a poor excuse everyone on the internet uses most ppl on here i guarntee have lives including myself. but if calling ppl nerds makes u feel better about urself than thats fine.

um and what possible authority do u have over either of us to declare someone has a better argument. i guarntee everyone lincr3 has talked ot agrees with him where everyone i have talked to ( refering to my WoW friends) agrees with me. so u who hasnt played the game at all prolly. Aren't a blizzard employee or anythign remotely like that really has no idea what ur talking about. actually im near certain lincr3 just told u to come post that. lol such is life it doesnt matter really because i gave up faith in lincr3s knowledge off his first post. sure he has better grammar mainly because im too lazy to edit it on an RS forum... but apart from that most of his points are laughable at best. my favourites of course are.... that final agreed with me about thunderfury though he said he didnt lol priceless. the fact that iw as right about frost resists the whole time and when i prooved it lincr3 failed to read the post or when it was posted and didnt delete his pointless flames which were in the same post. when he said chain fear was viable in pvp against melee for a warlock rofl. lol the fact that he said a pally has a chance against a hunter in pvp 1 on 1 based on his experiences of a 60 pally on a PVE server which means hes never fought a hunter in pvp ever..... where i had a hunter on a pvp server and i never got killed by a pally ever not even 60s it was really [developmentally delayed]ed. Most times one of us would just get bored and wed go on our happy ways yet if he was near my lvl after like 10 mins ( stupid shields and too much mana) hed finally miss a chance to heal and id own him. where he never had a real reply to my shamans being a little bit too dps heavy. all he had was " duh stop nitpicking because im too lazy to come up with a real reply" yet my friends played a 60 shaman and he STOPPED playing it because it was BORING being so overpowered he never lost ever. 2 on 1 pvp? hed win 4 on 2 pvp him and my other warrior friend? theyd win. was their gear good? if u consider ubrs, dm, strat, scholo gear good and not even the best at that then yes. but since noone does no. Did he ever lose duels? never. get jumped in pvp and lose? no how could he he could dwindle ppl away like u cant even believe. how do i know he was this good? watched him read the forums from all the ppl who he was the only shaman they feared. ah yes this post as a whole cracks me up because lincr3 would make [developmentally delayed]ed points and all of u would be like " oo oo lincr3 has been around longer in the RS community then jordo lets gree with him!" even when u all haven't played the game. priceless haha

it really doesnt amtter that much because when the expansion comes out casuals will clear mc and bwl without much trouble 10 lvls makes a huge difference. second final i was the one who said thunderfury is better in the hands of a warrior....... plus im bored with the game because im sick of lvling through the same quests and that so i alwyas started alts before i got to 60 with another one. then id jsut pvp alot i like the fact that there are ppl higher then me makes it harder. well maybe we havent a different sense of friend see a friend to me is someone i actually know in rl id call someone im my guild a buddy not really a freind. no casual players with epics do bgs :P or if on pvp server go kill ppl in the higher lvl areas. wow is better i did say that i just cant play it right now sick of it needa break so came back to rs for awhile. thats the point 5 mans harder then mc and bwl isnt possible with their system which is y its kinda dumb. they should have some way of doing it. even hardcore raiders cant complain with more 5 mans because then when ur raid isnt on u can just grab a couple guildies and go beat some challenging 5 man instance. personaly thinkthey need to finish their class reevaluations they still need to do priests rogues shamans and mages. I basically the main reason i got bored is because all my friends lvl disgustinlgy faster then me i like to play around at certain lvls do bgs and stuff. where they rushed right to 60 and played much more htenme so while they were at 60 doing 60 bgs i was like 29 owning the 29 wsg by urself is boring rogues are overpowered. like it was [developmentally delayed]ed. when i was one hitting priests mages and warlocks there is somethign wrong.... heck if i could sneak up on druids in caster and hunters i was one hitting half of them too it was kidna dumb though fnny at the same time to see someone die from one ambush haha.

lol iamannoyed u crack me up. since u havent played wow u dont know anythign about our debates. the only thing he has over me is that his grammar is a bit beter because frankly itsa forum im too lazy to make it well. nearly every point hes made ive proved wrong. and when he asked for proof i showed it to him and he still didnt believe me * shrug* it doesnt matter because u havent played it anyway but if u had would realize how icredibly naive he really is

I never said those 5 mans would be easy. To make those 5 mans fair you would ahve to make them much harder then MC for gear that is maybe almost on par. that way casuals cant just walk through it or ppl in ur raid cant just walk through it. it should take alot more then jsut being strong puzzles thinking random things stuff like that its very viable. Yes casuals can participate in raiding its just all the hardcore guys who horde dkp will never let them get items so they end up just wasting their time

i never said thunderfury didnt increase the rogues daamge the proc is amazing but because of the high damage its alot harder to keep aggro off of him. Plus if he has thunderfury hes prolly pimped out anyway. I never said rogues CANT get thunderfury i just think a warrior would make better use of it personallly sword rogues are boring they have two moves sinister strike and eviscerate and they are boring moves at that dagger is much funner. wing clip does so hit a pally... blessing of freedom does not last forever. holy shock is 20 yards hutner shots are 41 u wont be close enough. u can beat any hunter any day? yes im sure u can because its a pve server. which means u only meet hunters in two situations. dueling outside if and bg. dueling creates such a small playing ground the hunter is dinked bg there are so many other ppl around its anot a true 1 on 1 on a pvp server hunters destroy pallys. ive never seen a huunter lose to a pally ever i never lost to a pally ever on my hunter it just cant happen there is too much space the pally cant get close enough to do anythign and the hunter is much faster. ur just as ignorant uve never played a hunter so claiming " this is dumb because uve never played a pally" is a useless comment. the reason ppl care is because one second they have uber gear some people have worked months upon months to get their end game gear and all of the sudden it will become obsolete thats y they are mad and wanted it to be scaled. i never said rs is better then wow actually ti hink wow is much better i just cant play it right now becuase im bored of lvling and want a couple things fixed and expansion to come out before i play it again. on top of that i need to save money and runescape is cheaper sure its not alot of money saved but hey every little bit counts. actually no i never had a character on wow where my pvpsurvivability was less then 85 percent thank u and most of my characters were on pvp servers. when i actually played my 60 mage there was like 1 maybe 2 mages that could say they were btter then me on the server. on my rogue i had posts made about me because i was soo annoying inbattlegrounds its not like i sucked the only reason i nitpickedand complained is because u started flaming me and i analyze everything upon everything.

the fact that u didnt delete ur whole thign accusing me of lying when u found out about binary spells makes ur argument even less convincing second. lemme reiterate this that blizzard post is old. very very old. they have done nothing about it we have known about binary spells for months. it hasnt been looked into at all thats just an exucse to get ppl to stop getting on their back minor bugs? it wasnt intended to be a bug it was a complete oversight to the stupidity of having binary spells even existing. rogues always do massive damage if u dont believe me go on the gernal wow forums and ask who deserves and uses thunderfury better warriors or rogues and see how many ppl agree with me compared to u. plus i already said concrete evidence is imposbiel to find supporting near either because.... rogues always dps. no biggy. warriors are hardly ever dpsing in MC or anything they just tank tanking cuts their dps really low. they are only dazed for a couple of seconds first off second they can quickly switch aspects even if they do get dazed then wingclip for half a sec while u cleanse re put on cheetah and they are gone. holy shock is a talent on a long cooldown give me a break thats not viable like i siad the hunter will be gone way before u catch him after u holy shock thats nto really a ranged attack that pallys have because it involves talents so not all pallys have it. repetence 1 min cooldown also talent not very pally has it hunter will get away from u they have tons of slows and traps btw.... u cant stay on top of them they only need half a sec of u being slowed to reapply cheetah. hammer of justice wtf man? 10 yards thats only double melee do u think a hutner will be within 10 yards? its not even really ranged its so short and it doesnt even do damage. first off a hunter has 35-41 yards 90 percent of them have 41 yards do u think they will be close enough for u to use hammerof justice..... again judgements are 10 yards the hutner wont be close enough for that to be used. on top of this the hunter will come up on u not u on him 90 percent of the time because of track humanoids they can alwyas see u coming. which means there will be at least one freezing trap set down so if u get close enough thatll hit u forcing u to stay frozen or to bubble out but by that time u lose because hes too far away kiting u. dynamite is engineering.... its not a pally move.... and have fun getting a grenade to hit if the hunter is constantly moving away constantly. even if u do refer to where i said u will get slowed and he will reapply. even repetence and holyshock are too shot of range both are 20 yards u wont ever be within that range. um ur an idiot i know lots about pallies. and i know plenty about every other class as well and by the examplesuve tried to given i see u are right on top of the ball. i never said i was jealous of a priest way to trivialize it lol. preists can heal. u dont need alot of damaging spells pain mind flay devouring plague and mindblast are more then enough. oh and holy fire for holy priests. oh wait and smite. ok warlocks dont really have substatially more damaging spells. none of my references was wrong.... lvl 70 is in expansion which will make hunter and priest epics suck anyways sine they are not scaling mc or bwl. which i find funny im gonna laugh when we see pickup groups easily clearing MC because 10 extra lvls will make it much easier. then all those hardcore ppl will complain until they finally clear the illidan instances. until then ill enjoy watching them squeem

rofl. this is just funny now u are a complete and utter moron do u even read what i type im gonna pick everything u said apart completely which ive done multiple times ur a [developmentally delayed] u know that right here we go again... where di blizz say epic quests were a mistake? hold on lemme find the friggen link u newb while im doing that yes rogues use thunderfury and they top damage charts not surprising considering its proc. but its not a rogue weapon rogues who get it just want to look cool and second that rogue woudlve topped damage charts before anyway.... third damage charts arent even good comparison because i guarntee there wasnt a fury warrior wielding it to compare with was there? no there wasn't therefore u have only see it in the hands of a rogue u moron. 10 percent? wow thats not surprising rogues always do most of the damage thats all the do. Ive seen both a rogue use thunderfury and a fury warrior and the fury warrior uses it better its much better suited end of story u cant even argue that. btw one guild that hasnt fallen apart proves nothing. Ok still looking for the epic weapon thing and do i even have to argue this resistance. u read that info thats where i got it all. oh read it to urself here lemme quote urself "Its 54% to reduce damage at all for those frostbolts" one more time "Its 54% to reduce damage at all for those frostbolts" for god sakes read the part where i mentioned frsotbolt is still coded as BINARY SPELL which means IT DOES NOT HAVE PARTIAL RESISTS THEY DO NOT EXIST how many times to i hve to tell u U CANT PARTIALLY RESIST A FROSTBOLT IF U DO U WILL GET A FULL RESIST NOT REDUCED DAMAGE FULL RESIST. did i even mention guild wars no. runescape is fun to play around with or obviously u wouldnt be here... aspect of the cheetah aspect of the cheetah wait one more time aspect of the cheeth. tell me how im NOT going to kite a pally for ever he can cleanse all teh [bleep] he wants it wont matter he cant catch me u have 0 ranged attacks unless im under 20 percent health 0 wait count them again * counts on fingers* oh wait they dont exist you are too slow to cacth me. and U cant mount because ur in combat. which means i can kite all day long day and night u have no chance to catch me unless i stand there..... and are u blizzard? do u account for everyone who made u god to say its not an issue? ok u play a pally if they gave a shaman a better divine shield then u would u care? if u played a rogue and they gave warriors stealth but its better would u care? yes u would therefore warlocks deserver to be THE DEBUFFER CLASS as listed http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/ go down to see warlock see where it says debuffer. go to thottbot look at the last rank of shadow word pain for priests and the last rank for warlocks. now divide them... and oh look at that naturally the shadow word pain does 47.333 damage a tick where the warlock does 43.5 thats better is it not and thats a healing class. Plus they get devouring plague which heals them and they get mindflay a slow what do warlocks get. hmm immolate yes but there isa problem with plus damage u sacrifice stats. mainly int which most ppl dont care except plus damage is flawed. lower cast times get less plus daamge making higher cast times the only viable spell to use where before u had a wide variety now ur gimping urself if u use anythign thats less then 3 second cast and even that is iffy. waht should be changed is that every class should have a base spell that other spells damages are measured against for mages it would be fireball if for example spell a with 0 plus damage does 50 percent of fireballs damage then with 100 plus damage spell a should still do 50 percent of fireballs damage as it stands now spell a becomes obsolete because it has a fast cast time while firebal becomes stronger and stronger.. The worst part is to keep up with the daamge race u have to get plus damage while sacrificing some stam lots of mana spirit ( which dosnet matter its useless) . While warriors get damage crit and all that no consequences. now back to looking through every freaking blizzard post still looking for the epic weapon post but lemme show u this while i keep searching its about frostbolt and BINARY spells [developmentally delayed]. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... post502901 ok its tserics second post his third paragraph down right after the quote with RESIST in it a bunch of times i suggest reading both the quote and the post by tseric which is old btw and frsotbolt has been binary since release still no fix. if u dont belive that read this post about binary spells. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... post496943 tserics third post down first point under stats/mechanics. great its not being found ( the post about class epic weapons ) but i know its there if worse comes to worse u can crucify me on that one point even though ur wrong and ive read it. ugh after an hour of searching im unable to find the post soo many friggen posts some stuff does get lost. But even though i found no proof from a forum lets go by physical proof. hunter epic quest came out. shortly after priest epic quest came out. hmm look at that no other classes have epic quests yet. i think thats all i have to say.

yes i do want more 5 man dungeons with epics that are hard. worke the sam way eh? too bad it that the more honor there is in the system the HARDER it is to rank up. Since there is always near triple the honor out there on a pvp server it makes pvp ranking harder. No its not just as tough.... I didnt Say RS has a better commnuity actually i said that in my first post its dumb everyone is just like ur a newb, nooo.,..... hes a newb! ill agree witht hat well then i take back some of my guild comments but 90 percent of guilds dont work to being together so u cant say that they do since most guilds do break up check serer forums ill say that they do. No i dont think RS is totally fun. Ill admit ZG is kinda fun cuz its so different but MC and BWL is either glitchy or boring. y they added trash mobs to the end of bwl is beyond me because the first few bosses of BWl are uber. Your right they aren't as gear dependant that does not mean that gear should allow melee to be better then their counter classes. thunderfury is not a rorgue weapon... its MH and its FAST with a low top damage. Only fury warriors want that. Since blizzard said epic quests for classes was a mistake ill ignore that paladins usually cant get sulfuras because ppl get pissyif a warrior doesnt getit such is Wow. most servers have more then one unless they are a new server thank u..... it has more stam and u dont need might to clear the first part of mc the only hard part of mc is rag. I didn't say RS had better stuff sure RS is lacking alot too but they are a smaller company its not a bought game and you pay maximum of 5 dollars US a month to play.. WOW is alot more then that and blizzard is huge. 60 frost resist is lsited as poor in ur tooltip lemme explain resists to u... ok resist score of 50 a lil less then 60 but it will prove my point. notice where it says chance to take full damage 54 percent? alright well for fire that ISNT a big deal in pvp because itll still do most of the damage. Frostbolt is a binary spell for some reason... I said that already which means anytime it reads partial resist it doenst do part damage it just RESISts completely so that means frostbolt has a 54 percent chance to HIT at all. I didnt say it was everythign in wow i just said thats waht imbalanced and get real blizzard has been out of character with wow for the longest time any longtime blizzard fan will see that all blizzard focuses on alot in most games in pvp because they take pride in it ill give hem props i like their battle system i think i may play again when the expansion comes out. .... I didnt say there was anythign wrogn with that i agreed i said yes warriors have talent options. all i was pointing out was i said certain not all. resto for pvp? um u keep ur group alive since u are the best healer in the game if u spec resto. y? better HOTS quicker long heals with HOTS more effetive with plus healing gear . y preists greater heal is like 4 sec cast? um wtf? thats so dumb blizzard should make it 3 nat or 3.5 nat then priests would use it raiding as well and be the best healers. Plusall the plus healing on their equipment would be uesful since for flash heal its near useless. u can think its primary pve al u want but wahtever... sure i said RS isnt perfect i never said it was... i was saying that rogue talents make little difference to their playstyle. Sorry i was tired and typing fast. well then I agree warlocks can spec however. alright then shamans are next after priests litle difference. its good they are looking at priests they need some help i did, i didnt say they cant spec shadow i just say they shouldnt be in shadow form for pvp in groups it doesnt help anyone. no guilds that work together dont even fret good pvp guilds roll every group they come against in the odd chance they meet another pvp guild the guild will not heal mages often if ever because its not a good investment. yes its against the rules so is drop trading it still happens. az isnt hard kazzak is alot harder. the dagons are much ahrder then that as well. are u kidding? when i played a hunter going up against a pally was more of reluctance i knew id win it would just take forever. how doesa hunter lose all they have to do is kite send in pet. if the pally attacks pet pull pet back for awhile heal him up some. u run at 30 percent speed the pally will never catch u. because hunter attacks USED TO BE ABLE TO BE DODGED. this was before the new hunter talents and itsbecause blizzard felt hutners needed some help now that hunter talents are better they decided to leave it in hmm wakward. and lets not think about this realistically how do bullets home in on targets? yes they should be able to be dodged by everyone. everyone else hs to worry about dodges not huntes though only misses. as a rogue sure u can burst damage. but by end game hunters huge health bar and armor absorbs it ive watched it happen any rogue ive talked to hasa hard time beating a good hunter because of how much they have to counter rogues. personally i was beating lvl 60 rogues in duels at lvl 45 on my hunter BEFORE the new talents thats when i said wow that is overpowered. Nitpicking I can nitpick al i want blizzard makes u buy the game and play monthly so i expect perfection or close enough that noone can pick it apart. ppl should have freedom to spec but its not fair that SW:P is better then the warlock DOTS. preists have other spells too they dont need super uber dots. Yes they are better healers. i already said that if they spec resto they are. even without resto is very comparible. they can do good cat dps and use travel form and have good dps in caster at once if u mean with the same spec. they can also spec to make caster alot better orcat alot better but its still good either way. its not the dps thats annoying as much as its how hard it is to kill them with breaking of snares, different forms, amazing healing. Im not even nitpicking shamans. Its true how are u in a hardcore raid guild ando not "nitpick" as u call it. they aren't game breaking nothing is really. but they are problems..... well they gave them a better death coil that was good. how about hmm a slow? one that doesnt require talents. and on top of that exhaustion sucks so u need MORE talents to make it even par with any other slow. no chain fear doesnt. if a rogue gets close u cant cast fear. and warriors are able to break fear atleast twice in a fight making DR on fear take effect too much and the third will not be long enough to matter before they intercept. plus like i said ur dot will break it. Y am i even arguing this? all u said was this is wrong chain fear works on rogues and warriors u never even gave proof. 4 isnt alot. since 2 are with talents. hamstring is better slowing its easier to use and its slower. um crippling poison is the best slow in the game and all u ahve to do is hit the guy......... or not let mages dual wield ur sarcasm is useless u didnt even prove anything. ignite is not that powerful unless u have tons of plus damage where u die in two hits anyways. FFS i never said i loved runescape its a nice break in between playing jedi acadmy ( very good game btw) and its fun to play while talking on msn. ya the grammar in that is bad but not that bad mainly its just missing commas, whatever. Basically i was reinforcing evasion being useless in pvp because it is...... alright. if complexity from stormrage isnt hardcore raiding or fervor from eredar ( which broke up btw) i dont know what is. my bad.... group pvp is in need of some balancing but it is still playable i never said it wasnt sto pmaking it out like im saying everythign is bad im just saying that there are some problems and that u don't even see them. well since my debate had proof andurs was just " ur wrong" i fail to see how mine says nothing but * shrug* wahtever u want to think. If it makes u feel like a big man to be smarter, than think it all u want but.... ur wrong.

sry sith i didnt read all the posts i just read the next buy lincr3 and then replied :(

being at 60 is endgame as well. therefore its casual ppl that are mad. Did i not say pre 60 is fun post 60 isnt? yes yes i did does being casual lvl 60 count as end game? yes yes it does. yay more raid dungeons ya know alot of raiders are like yay more dungeons too bad we dont have enough time for them. hardly any guild can beat nef and they put out harder ones. yup they are sure catering to the whole of their customer base.... Its lacking because ITS THE SAME THING over and over. Sure RS is teh same thing over and over. Ur right rs gets boring too im only playing right now because i need to save money and i got bored of WOW. plus my RL friend decided to play rs again. do i enjyo training in rs no i enjoy pvping because u get loot and u can lose it thats all. wow 60 pally on pve server ranked top 20 no wai! hold on leem get this straight. PVE, ranked top 20, hmm relevance? none first off pvp ranking is a a grind which is another thing i like about RS pvping its not really a grind. second? pve server ppl are not even close to being as good as pvp server ppl so thats nice that pally being ranked top 20 is nothing 60 rogue on pvp server impressive i notice he doesnt have any rank wahtever how am i not surprised. Because u cant tell me ur in an end game guild comprised of 39 RL close friends thats y i can say that. sure u can have close frineds in game but they aren't the same so they really aren't close friends when was the last tiem u went out for dinner or a movie with them? Yes cuz lawbringer is sooo good. Not second its not fun unless u have twisted sense of fun third every end game guild in every server that I or any of my family members or RL friends have ever been in has broke up. every end game guild breaks eventually they aren't stable. info eh. first off i didnt say set. second off sigh... here we go Ur right arcanist is lacking for mages. so is netherwind but wahtever. third like i said before i didnt say sets. id never wear hardly any of the arcanist unless it was given to me. any warrior who has access to other epics doesnt wear warth or might its a waste. first let me say something im talking pvp end game not pve i could care less the point of getting good loot is to own not to show it off and clear more dungeons. lets see here. my cousin is a warrior and HE admits he is overpowered. he has played the same char since release and is at farm status with nef in his guild. he has full might. but hardly ever wears it his pvp set is god. its [developmentally delayed]edly good. in the mainhand he uses thunderfury show me a caster equivalent to that. off hand is chromatically tempered sword yet another huge dps upgrade with nice stats no caster equivalent. armor helm hes using helm of endless rage. ok stat total on that is what? 81? ya no caster equivalent that adds that much dps and crit and health. boots chromatic boots. again tons of stats tons of armor plus a percent to hit no caster equivalent. Ok im sick of this just log on stormrage server alliance side and message draken for his pvp gear now tell me where casters ca get gear that does that much for them. how about rogues even? no hunters? oh wait nobody ya ya ur right nobody can get eqiupment that does as much as warriors can. and yes u can progress without might its called dark iron it owns might for mc use it. mages can spec fire for mc if they want but remember im referring to pvp.any smart mage goes frost and HOPES the shammy and pally dont put on frost resist aura or frost resist totem otherwise they are dinked. otehr spec viable? no arc fire ya if u want to be a 3 shot 3 min wonder. not viable. warriors have to specs fury or arms for pvp and realize i said CERTAIN classes not all first off if ur saying druids go moonkin in end game guilds only [developmentally delayed]ed ones alot of end game guilds wont let druids come as moonkin they are primary healers. but yes druids can spec whatever for pvp and still own everyone. hunter- survive first isnt viable in pvp so no not anything they want. rogues dont even count their talents are so messed though most rogues go 21 8 22 or a silight deviation rogues talents hardly make differences though ill agree. yes lets be mean against the warlocks u dont even care what they spec. well ill tell u affliction destro is MOST viable destro affliction is meah at times demonology waaay to defensive and defensive against one class at one time shamans talent trees are screwed they are soo mcuh different then others which is whyt htey are getting looked at next. preists usually holy but some do go discipline just a different play style. but i agree preists who dont want to heal are dumb that lvl 60 wariror was [developmentally delayed]ed even 1 on 1 i dont believe it without a video unless he wasa farmer. second ranking means nothing pvp mages on some servers dont group with group and just honor farm. btw to kill a decent warrior which has 5k health pretty standard it would take like 200 lvl 1 frostbolts. hmm doubt that happend. no ur guild says sorry mage our warriors or other classes need heals more ur just a mana drain just dps a bit and die come back. they dont heal u pve servers can still be griefed on kazzak and second so its fair to all the pvp servers that outdoor bosses are insanely harder? third did i not say before pvp is a grind wow a bunch of epic looters on a pve server are on top of the pvp rankings i would heave never guessed! actually ur arguement held no truth bestial warth was 2 min cooldown thats enough that if ur losing u pop it u win against any class at practically anytime since 2 mins is so short and u could just kite which all hunters do until its ready again. did u listen to the classesi played? I played a hunter pre the new talents and i DIDNT like that my attacks coudlnt be dodged it wasnt fair i played one rogue but friends played them lots at 60 and since we knew eachother quite well they agreed and when i playd rogue its just like a slap in the face. since our dodge is useless vs any other class anyway so at least make it some waht useful aganst hunters who own rogues anyway. and i mainly play mages u cant use the u want to be overpwoered trick because ive plaeyd more then one class and i think EVERY CLASS needs help in certain ways and CERTAIN aspects of classes can be overpowering very overpowering at times ffs when did i say raids? i didnt say raids once! yes warlocks are better then shadow preists in raids because of curse of elements mainly. but shadow preists DOTS are stil stronger then warlocks not fair and mindblast is abetter burst damaging and they can heal. and they get a slow! and friggen good one. no preists can spec shadow but preists in shadow form in group pvp are stupid and shoudlnt be allowed way to not help ur team. leave the rogues to dps andheal ur group as a whole does more dps if the preists heals doesnt try and dps everythign in sight and get himself killed ur right druids are a hybrid class but when they are better at certian things than others its unfair. for example they are better healers then priests for one and nearly good rogue dps n cat plus they get travel and they get dps in caster yup... sigh.. not once did i mnention shammys in raids. their burst dps is insane of course they arent on top of damage charts because it isnt sustained an they have to heal thats y. am i making stuff up ok go look at the damage on earth shock there u go dps. windfury dps. chain fear rofl rofl rofl rofl omg are u dumb? chain fear in pvp? ok fear is on diminishing returns if u manage to get it off every class ca break it warriors and rogues alike with something including trinket. there u die warriors have deathwish and berserker rage to waste ur other to fears making the next one not even last rogues can be undead break it agian but doesnt matter ull never get a second one off anyways and even if u get a first itll break from ur first dot tick many slowing spells? hmm frsotbolt coc and blastwave( with talents) blizzard ( with talents) wow that sure is alot... frsotbolt is binary gets resisted coc is on 10 sec coldown and DR blastwave 45 sec cooldown not long duration and blizzard um ya hardto quickly pull off 8 secs of standing there not mana efficient. frsot nova broken by trinkets and preists. ice block is talents usually just delays death that is all.u cant two shot ignite if u have ice block two shot ignite too bad ignite is dispellable secondud need a ton of plus damge third most ppl have alot of fire resist so ullbe lucky fourth fire equals no survivability ud go fireball if ur lucky to stand for 3 secs and die. um waht palent are u from evasion vs other rogues sure if they arent stun locking u anyways bam one just one blind and that evasion is wasted. two warriors? no its not useful against warriors because they just go overpower crit for well over half ur health u die. shamans dont melee ogues i already said that they flame shock drop earthbind. hunters pets ull never ddoge because dodge onylworks FACING the endmy which u will never be doing against a hunters pet . i dont want every class to have all the same strengths and yes i know what evasion is i already answered this first i can look away in rs and tlak on msnsecond i got bored of wow third the pvp presents more of a danger in rs then in wow wow u die u ran back. no i was in hardcore raiding guilds i just chose not to raid with them they didnt care because my friends and cousin raided all the time plus they all enjoyed me arouund i made guild chat fun there i told u where u were wrng

ugh i just typed a 5 page reply to ur pathetic atempt to make ur self sound smarter then me but then the forum asked me to login so ill shorten it. END game is boring noone liek post 60 wow its lacking pvp is not balanced you obviously have never done post 60 pvp much Guilds are never close friends dont even try and tell me that. end games guilds break up because everyone in it is a loot [bleep] noone wants to clear mc again and again they only want loot. y do u say yes when u down rag u tell urself its an accomplishment no ur lying to urself its cuz u want better loot. epic loot is unbalanced for certain classes aka warrior. cetain classses shouldnt be forced into talent specs to have a chance to kill someone have u ever played mages 60 in pvp? no u obviosuly haven't because post 60 mage pvp goes like this do do do do assist train u die. do do do resist resist resist. assist train you die end of story. noone heals u ur not worth it. its not balanced right now it will be which is waht i was saying is they STRIVE for balance did u miss that part? but it wont be balanced until after the expansion i guarntee because as it stands now it isnt a rock paper scissors idea liek they claim and it isnt balanced group pvp like they claim. if you've actually down nef which i doubt then i know u dont pvp hardly at all since your too busy being elitist in ur end game guild. Outdoor raid bosses have crappy loot and noone wants to do them because u get ganked. there is a reason they are nerfing bestial warth it was overpowered. a pet soloing nearly any class at 60 isnt fair. Hopefully blizzard will clue in sometime and make hunters attacks dodgeable. since thats unfair after their new talent arrangement. warlocks should not have worse dots then priests preists should not be able to dps. any priest who rolls shadow should have their character erased shadow priests are just selfish useless wastes of space. druids have too many options. Their dps is a little too high sometimes. Shifting out of EVERYthing is not balanced. Shamns dps is waaay toohigh for how many options they have. Warlocks need some melee defense. Mages need some more survivabilty. Rogues need to have vanish break dots. every class has a dot at least let rogues only defensive move work. evasion doesnt count its useless tell me one class its good against i already know u cant name one because their isnt one. ew end game ew who likes that. healers spam heal button on the tanks. tanks have an order of moves to hold aggro rogues either spam sisniter strike and evis or spam backstab and evis mages spam one spell hunters just stand there and use theodd arcane shot or something. boring. I would rather pvp even if it is a bit unbalnced then raid ever. raiding is boring. thats all for now the rest isnt even worth my time because you have no idea what you are talking about

you can play wow for free after u quit p2p but only when they release test servers. I played runescape for over a year before I got into wow i quit near rs2s release unfortunately im unable to get on my old chars which sucks so i started a new character same as my tip itname here. heres the thing after coming back from wow i can tell u one thing wow strives friggen strives for pvp balancing at all lvls they fail bad at it at the moment. FOr example low lvl rogues can near one hit certain classes post 60 warriors become gods with uber gear liek untouchable nearly. mages are so dinked but yet they do nothing about it. hunters are overpowered druids are insanely overpowered. what happened is they decided to fix classes one at a time. so as they fix one and make it overpowered the next one makes two overpowered classes. eventaully they willget it right i dont have members for rs now but i may get it. I had to quit wow cuz i got bored of lvling characters had 60 mage 45 mage 48 mage 34 mage 48 hunter and 29 rogue oh and a 19 twinked rogue. they arent really comparable. lvling is alot different in wow for one. classes control ur abilitys and races are mainly for looks though some racials are nice. as for the class suggestions. hutners are overplayed dont be a hunter and for god sakes dont be NE hunter if u do. IF u go hunter marks beast is iffy marks survival is better. or beast marks for talent point split ups. Undead rogues are fing sweet. wotf plus vanish and trinket lol warlocks just die preists just die u rape cloth so bad. tauren warrior also overplayed some but good choice if u get good gear. a lil off topic RS is not at all balanced for all lvls of pvp. My ranger is now like lvl 27 1atk 1 def 1 str 41 range 30 i think hits. yet i run into a mage in the wild the fight goes like so mage hits 11 i hit 5 mage hits 8 i go ffs and eat mage hits 10 i eat more i hit 5 5 mage hits 6 mage eats i hit 6 7 0 mage hits 11 10 9. notice anything? my shots are not substantially faster then his magic. and im using shortbow on rapid. yet he is outhitting me huge i spend most of my time eating not fighting. 11 heck ive seen 13 at that lvl is not fair at all not even in the slightest rangers and warriors cant even attempt consistent numbers at that lvl. plus mages can teleport and now with instant cast from staff makes it alot easier. sure they become a lil more fair late game or so i assume but thats a different mentality from WOW. for example in WOW. everyone would go to the forums and be like hey he hits 13 wtf do i get to do if he hits 13 i want better hitpoints or survivability or more options. where in RS it seems kind of accepted. plus im not used to talking with my enemys in WOW horde allys cant talk to eachother. i ran from that mage. all i said was wow mages are overpowered. did that mage argue me? no he just said fite me noob fite me hmm thats alot different from wow. what im getting at is u cant really compare RS and wow totally different community different ideas on how game should be just totally different completely they are hardly any ways to draw similaritys.