Blyaunte
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Removing PMods because their powers are limited at the moment and likening them to a local neighborhood watch may be true, and if they are removed from the game, then what? We rely on the report button to remove the ability of a player to speak for a period of time. I don't know about you, but that report button is not used if I have access to a PMod on my fl and I pm them with the complaint and ask for their help. I have never been refused when that happens. However, when I hit the report button, there is no difference and I can return to the same venue to the same person using the same level of abuse as I had reported in the first place.
Really? You need someone to protect you from the big bad bogey men on the Internets? That’s your reason why you think PMod’s aren’t redundant?
FYI, there's a reason why there's an ignore feature and it works really well. Personally, I've found that it's done away with most of the trash in the game ...
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Armadyl? I'd have to say RED, WHITE AND BLUE!
Justice, peace and freedom. The proud avianese represent them, soaring through the sky, delivering justice on the guilty. Equal opportunity, liberty and a fair chance at prosperity.
Join the Armadylians. Join the United Scapers of Armadyl.
P.S. 1776th post.
I just threw up a little ... :wacko:
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So I am wondering, what happens when Zaros comes back? Is he and Zamorak gonna have a throw down or what?
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P.S. I didn't realize that we can put emotes in our ability bar!
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When a role exists that serves no purpose any longer, and/or cannot or does not perform the tasks for which it was originally designed, it is therefore redundant.
When one attempts to tack on additional tasks to said role, in particular tasks which are already performed by automation and self-discipline, in an effort to try and other redeem said role, it doesn’t alter the fact that the role is still redundant.
Surely as long as a position has a role and function to fulfill, it is not redundant? It's just that the person is being re-purposed.
Isn't that the point? What "role and function" does the PMod now have that isn't already being maintained by self-discipline and automation?
Self-discipline: Have you seen the state of RGU? That's a prime example of a lack of it.
I'm sorry - no. What's "RGU"? :unsure:
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And again, the position being redundant is your opinion. Grasping at straws or not, the position still exists and therefore can be saved and still has potential, what little it may be. I've personally found PMods to be rather useful over the years, though primarily for muting (which I still use them for when a spammer joins FC or CC ). But then again, isn't the general idea of a mod to enforce the rules? So, right now, they're doing everything I'd expect them to.
… and again, the fact that it is “my position” is irrelevant.
When a role exists that serves no purpose any longer, and/or cannot or does not perform the tasks for which it was originally designed, it is therefore redundant.
When one attempts to tack on additional tasks to said role, in particular tasks which are already performed by automation and self-discipline, in an effort to try and other redeem said role, it doesn’t alter the fact that the role is still redundant.
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You realize the terrible logic behind that post only applies if he also believes he has no place in the community. Simply because he's asking for ways to improve does not in any means imply that he feels useless. And I'm curious... Tip.It had a survey recently where they asked damn near the same questions, only worded differently. Was that us realizing we had no role to play and thus looking for a job description? He's looking for ways to better server you and the active RuneScape community, and all you've done thus far is jump down his throat about how his position is pointless and only a status symbol. Give him a way that it'll be more then a status symbol in your eyes instead of:
Oh - I don't know - how about a mass resignation?The actual suggestion thus far have been good.
… and, of course, that is where you are wrong.
He may or may not have already realized that his role as a PMod is redundant. Whether or not he “believes” the role to be redundant is irrelevant. It’s redundant. Period.
Chances are, he’s had an inkling of it. The base reality that over the past “x” period of time he’s had literally nothing to do as a PMod is likely coming clear to him, one way or another. That’s why he’s asked us to provide him with a job description.
The ideas offered here are mere grasps at straws trying to save a role that no longer has any purpose.
By the way, aside from taking your usual automatic nay-saying alternative point of view from my own, you might actually take a look at what everyone else has said and come to the realization that I’m right.
I realize that you’ve got this thing where you’re always got to try and discredit me, and attack everything I say, but perhaps you should, you know, try to take a less obvious stance this time?
Just sayin’ …
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I thank all of you for your contributions so far!^_^ But could I please ask we stay on topic? I'm not able to do anything about the state of the HLF's, regardless of what my opinion is. I do understand in someways HLF's and P-Mods tie together, but not really much at all. Also, I fully understand some of you dislike P-Mods, I've had bad experiences with P-Mods in the past as well -- I've only been a P-Mod for 1 year out of the 5-6 years I've played. However, my personal opinion is I see P-Mods as needed, because certain things arise that need immediate action, or things such as gambling which was a huge disruption to most of the community, which although it took along time to get the ball rolling, it was taken out quickly when allowed.
What I'm asking for is ways you feel the P-Mod team can be improved, then I plan to relay this information to other P-Mods for discussion, and I'm sure changes will come out of it. As I said, I know some of you hate P-Mods, but P-Mods will not be removed from the game anytime soon (if ever), so I think a compromise could be mad and you could discuss what you think could improve your relations with the P-Mods. :)
Some examples I've seen from other areas:
- One player was muted for saying a fansite name on a few occasions; so I'll be relaying P-Mods need to know fansite information.
- One player said F2P is full of rule breakers and not enough mods; a possible solution is P2P mods visiting F2P worlds.
- One player said P-Mods aren't proactive enough in the community.
This is the type of things I'm looking for, it can be anything. "Start dealing with X", ect. I'm not set on what it needs to be, but as long as it's something with a solution and not just "I hate mods!! They need removed!!"
Thanks all for post so far! :D
Does anyone else get the feeling that he's not reading our posts? At least, not mine?
Gods this is like talking to Jagex ... #-o
I've read all post so far, but some were too OT. I'm sorry if I came off as rude/not listening, I do want your true/actual opinions...But I also need a bit more to work with in some cases, I understand people don't like P-Mods, I even understand why a lot don't -- but I need to know how you think that can be changed.
I think the tragic irony of this entire conversation is that you have, perhaps unknowingly, wandered into this discussion literally looking for a job description for a position that no longer has any use, purpose or functionality. I think the problem here is that you’ve no idea what to do with yourself as a PMod, and you’re hoping that someone will come up with something for you to do.
The very fact that you’ve come to us, asking us to provide you with a job description only further illustrates the reality that, not only is the role of the PMod redundant, but that you‘ve, perhaps, finally come to grips with the realization that it’s redundant, and you're now seeking to find something to alleviate that fact and, hopefully, save your “job”.
Clearly, on some level, you've realized that you’ve no role to play in the current game as a PMod and, equally, no idea what role you should be playing within the current game, so you’re asking us to provide you with one.
Don't you think that this is a "sign"? Isn't the writing clearly on the wall?
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I thank all of you for your contributions so far!^_^ But could I please ask we stay on topic? I'm not able to do anything about the state of the HLF's, regardless of what my opinion is. I do understand in someways HLF's and P-Mods tie together, but not really much at all. Also, I fully understand some of you dislike P-Mods, I've had bad experiences with P-Mods in the past as well -- I've only been a P-Mod for 1 year out of the 5-6 years I've played. However, my personal opinion is I see P-Mods as needed, because certain things arise that need immediate action, or things such as gambling which was a huge disruption to most of the community, which although it took along time to get the ball rolling, it was taken out quickly when allowed.
What I'm asking for is ways you feel the P-Mod team can be improved, then I plan to relay this information to other P-Mods for discussion, and I'm sure changes will come out of it. As I said, I know some of you hate P-Mods, but P-Mods will not be removed from the game anytime soon (if ever), so I think a compromise could be mad and you could discuss what you think could improve your relations with the P-Mods. :)
Some examples I've seen from other areas:
- One player was muted for saying a fansite name on a few occasions; so I'll be relaying P-Mods need to know fansite information.
- One player said F2P is full of rule breakers and not enough mods; a possible solution is P2P mods visiting F2P worlds.
- One player said P-Mods aren't proactive enough in the community.
This is the type of things I'm looking for, it can be anything. "Start dealing with X", ect. I'm not set on what it needs to be, but as long as it's something with a solution and not just "I hate mods!! They need removed!!"
Thanks all for post so far! :D
Does anyone else get the feeling that he's not reading our posts? At least, not mine?
Gods this is like talking to Jagex ... #-o
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Hey boys! What's your take on the recent development from Hockey Canada about eliminating body checking at the Pee Wee level?
Steve Simmons wrote a good article about it in the Sun today:
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/27/message-surrounding-body-contact-must-change
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Update was confirmed to come wednesday sadly not tonight.
Not unusual for a week with a "Bank holiday". Still, I was keen to start these. :-)
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There is no budget to get Priffdinas up, as they want to include the Elf Task set, release it with ME3, and make it a high-level hub which will include training methods for different skills. Work is at least expected to begin on it this year, though.
Oops! My bad! I forgot my [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tags ... :lol:
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Mod Chris L was heavily involved in the design for the max/completionist capes, so it's no wonder that he'd be more willing and quick to work on a piece of content much closer to his heart :PIs it just me or is that a pretty narrow range of improvements? Most of which seem to circulate around the Completionist Cape ... :unsure:
Next to that he has a fair part into combat stuff...
Which only goes to demonstrate three things:
1. Jagex has lost touch with the average player. If the only forum that they listen to is the HLF, then they’ve lost contact with pretty much everyone else. HLF does not represent the “average” player.
(b) That said, neither do PMods represent the average player -- nor will they ever represent the average player. The moment you advance an ordinary player to another category, such as a PMod, that player loses his/her “average player” status. As such, Pmods are useless as a liaison group in much the same way the HLF is useless as a liaison group.
(iii) If anything, Jagex should be pouring over forums like TIF for more average player Feedback. All the more so because these forums, while moderated, are not generally moderated in such a manner as to spoon-feed the tender egos of Jmods when they break what is not already broken and ignore the obvious and sometimes glaring omissions in game.
I mean, really, hello? Jmods! Let’s stop with the SOF and SGS updates and get Prifddinas up and running already? Ok?
Hello? Hello!!!
*tap tap* Is this thing on?
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
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Mod Chris L was heavily involved in the design for the max/completionist capes, so it's no wonder that he'd be more willing and quick to work on a piece of content much closer to his heart :PIs it just me or is that a pretty narrow range of improvements? Most of which seem to circulate around the Completionist Cape ... :unsure:
Which demonstrates what, exactly? :unsure:
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Yeahhhhhh - no. They don't listen to the Player Moderators any more than they listen to the MAX players -- or any other player with a good idea or good intentions, for that matter.
I mean, really, when was the last time that Jagex “listened to the players” and then followed that up with genuinely useful content that was little more than a total FUBAR of the original issue?
Numerous changes have actually been brought into the game on this thread and Chris L explains the reasoning behind stuff every week or two. I mean, I have very negative opinions of Jagex as a whole, but credit where credit's due.
Here's some of the stuff that he changed after listening to player feedback.
So there's at least one half decent JMod :P
Is it just me or is that a pretty narrow range of improvements? Most of which seem to circulate around the Completionist Cape ... :unsure:
4 of the 18 visible before the page cuts. And do you expect people on the HLF to suggest improvements to Nexus and other low-level content?
Gee -- ya think? So, in other words, outside of a handful of individuals with max capes making whoopee about further benefits for their maxed accounts, Jagex doesn't appear to listen to the general populace? Is this what you're telling me? It appears to be what you're telling me. Am I mistaken in this concept? It doesn't appear so.
And my question remains, how many truly significant ("major") game updates in which Jagex claimed that they "listened to the players" have actually shown that they've listened, or at least understood, what "the players" wanted in the first place -- other than to appease the mighty handful of maxed players?
We asked for a update to Smithing and we got "the Artisan's boutique". We asked for an update to Construction and got, what exactly? And I've no idea who they talked to to come up with the Nexus but, jeeeeeeeez ... :blink:
... and my point is that, outside a handful of maxed players who've managed a sufficient close encounter with a Jmod sufficient times to achieve an "ostensibly thoughtful gesture", why would one suggest that the "PMod role" would function as that of a "liaison" between Jagex and the general populace?
:rolleyes:
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Yeahhhhhh - no. They don't listen to the Player Moderators any more than they listen to the MAX players -- or any other player with a good idea or good intentions, for that matter.
I mean, really, when was the last time that Jagex “listened to the players” and then followed that up with genuinely useful content that was little more than a total FUBAR of the original issue?
Numerous changes have actually been brought into the game on this thread and Chris L explains the reasoning behind stuff every week or two. I mean, I have very negative opinions of Jagex as a whole, but credit where credit's due.
Here's some of the stuff that he changed after listening to player feedback.
So there's at least one half decent JMod :P
Is it just me or is that a pretty narrow range of improvements? Most of which seem to circulate around the Completionist Cape ... :unsure:
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Hard not to feel attacked whenever this topic comes up. I'd honestly take the Pmod forums over Tip.It any day, and based on the little I've seen of the HLF, I'm genuinely offended that Jagex thinks they're a better source of information than we are. They don't deserve the shit you guys put them through (Even if I do, as an individual. I'm not corrupt, but I'm far from a model mod).
Can you foresee some meaningful role for Player Moderators, other than that of status symbol? I can't.
I liked it when we could mute rulebreakers, but Jagex would prefer to do that themselves. :razz:
I'd think the real problem is that Jagex can't decide what to do with the role. They started it to enforce the rules, then wouldn't let them enforce the rules. Then they wanted community leaders, but stopped doing community events after like a week. But they can't give them the powers to do any of the jobs they give them because they might abuse them, but ignore the mods that abuse their powers. Now, I get the feeling tha they can't decide if they want to get rid of them or not, so they're just ignoring them.
As usual, Jagex doesn't do half the job and half-asses the rest. I like the role (And not for the status), but Jagex seems to be going out of their way to mismanage it. <_<
Alg - I love ya - so don't feel threatened from me on a personal level. You have my respect both as a person and player. This isn't about you.
Thing is that, in addition to the redundancy of the role of Player Moderator, it's also a thankless task.
That said - other than the "status" it gives you, do you honestly think that there's anything more that you contribute to the game at this time than, say, any other knowledgeable and friendly player who helps out in-game?
Alright, that's a better answer. :razz:
Food for thought: could the role be saved if Jagex were willing to make some serious changes?
Can you foresee some meaningful role for Player Moderators, other than that of status symbol? I can't.
I see one: as an intermediator between the community and Jagex for faster and more precise communication. Sometimes we are left in oblivion about something only to be responded on sometimes months later.
Yeahhhhhh - no. They don't listen to the Player Moderators any more than they listen to the MAX players -- or any other player with a good idea or good intentions, for that matter.
I mean, really, when was the last time that Jagex “listened to the players” and then followed that up with genuinely useful content that was little more than a total FUBAR of the original issue?
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Alright, that's a better answer. :razz:
Food for thought: could the role be saved if Jagex were willing to make some serious changes?
Can you foresee some meaningful role for Player Moderators, other than that of status symbol? I can't.
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I think I've pretty much summed it up.
Care to go into a bit more detail? As helpful as "useless" and "redundant" are, they don't really help us improve. |^_^|
The Player Moderator role was, as I recall, originally established by Jagex to operate as a sort of policing force. As such, they were given powers to report and, as necessary, mute or otherwise discipline other players who transgressed the rules in the game.
That said, since the “rules” of the game have changed dramatically since the initial institution of the Player Moderator role, and the Player Moderator has become pretty much useless as a result. It’s just a “status” now, not a function.
And please don’t try and tell me that Player Moderators are “knowledgeable about the game” and/or “are there to help other players” because that’s totally bogus.
First of all, I can name hundreds of regular players with far more intricate knowledge about the game than any other player moderator I’ve ever met – and there’s hundreds of fan sites out there with information on how to play and/or skill in the game now.
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How do you think the Player Moderator team could be improved?
Eliminate the redundancy of the Player Moderator role by eliminating the role of the Player Moderator entirely.
What would you like to see Player Moderators doing more of? (Events, Competitions, Q&A's, ect.)
Oh - I don't know - how about a mass resignation? |^_^|
Do you agree with the current Player Moderator's role in the community? (Explain)
No. The Player Moderator is a redundant role in today's Runescape. They have little or no function whatsoever, at the present time, and what little functionality they do have, they're generally handcuffed and unable to perform it. It's time for Jagex to simply eliminate the role altogether.
Are there any current issue's in the community you feel Player Moderators should be addressing?
None. Any of the roles they once performed are no longer relevant.
Any other thoughts on Player Moderators?
I think I've pretty much summed it up.
Thanks for asking. Have a lovely day! :D
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Wow – *someone* appears to be grouchy this morning … :unsure:
Actually, when looking this issue through, as presented by the article, it’s really an all-round failure on the part of both the Court and the media involved here. Unfortunately, neither the media nor the Court appear to have any concept of the actual value of the “virtual credits”. Not surprising really, both institutions are generally run by a crusty older generation that still regards the computer as “the magic box” … :rolleyes:
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Saying the ingame "credits" don't have any real world value and comparing it to monopoly money is just blatant ignorant...
If anything, it demonstrates how out of touch both the "journalist" and his editor are with the technology involved ... :rolleyes:
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This picture has been going around the HLF according to Reddit. Looks legit.
Seems like the boss for some sort of "God Invasion" themed update in the future. Jagex did mention that some gods would try to take over certain places--perhaps this is one of the minions that will be leading the charge in the RS3 world events.
Either that, or it's Runescape's version of the Voltron Force ... :unsure:
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"which offer Agility XP to the nimble naturalist."
Just wanted to point out that the word they wanted to use there was "naturist" since a "naturalist" is also known as a "nudist".
Unless there's hordes of players out there farming in the buff...
So *that's* why one guy asked me if I wanted to see his "garden snake" …
Hey it was a valid question...
I was immediately suspicious when he said his "python imitation" didn't include the Spanish Inquisition ... <_<
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"which offer Agility XP to the nimble naturalist."
Just wanted to point out that the word they wanted to use there was "naturist" since a "naturalist" is also known as a "nudist".
Unless there's hordes of players out there farming in the buff...
So *that’s* why one guy asked me if I wanted to see his “garden snake” … :huh:
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29-May-2013 - God Emissaries
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*Nope - I found it hilarious as well ...*
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