It is in bad taste to steal one's rock if they were occupying it currently but your comment about "u just waste their and your own time" is partially wrong. You waste their time, your objective begins quicker, thus you waste less time.- Sorry for trying to sound smart... ok, I know this is a really old thread but I stumbled across it so here's my 2 cents. what RaScape said is just dumb, that's assuming that you get the ore 100% of the time which is definatly not true. Think about this mmmk.. Take for example the mith rocks in the mining guild. There are 3 in a simi-grouping then 2 stragglers off to the side (looking from west to east). Ok, now lets say you match a person rock for rock and you compete for the ore. There's no way you're going to get all of them 90% of the time. But you can start at the rock furtherest from your competition and guarantee yourself atleast 2. Then if you end up finishing your half then go ahead and move in on him/her and compete rock for rock. Otherwise if your competing it's usually a waste of time statistically speaking. I've also noticed a HUGE difference in the amount of people that have adopted the 'no competition' mannorism (Atleast for coal). As far as I'm concerned.. Mith, Addy and Rune are all up for grabs. :) But seriously.. There's soo much coal.. There's no reason to be a rock hog. Arrow stealers [innapropriate comment removed ~Alduron]! Begging doesn't bother me as much as frivolous trade requests, those are moronic, idiotic, and lame. Be respectful of other's combat training areas. Don't go throwing some knife across 10 squares just to get someone elses opponent especially if they have been patiently waiting for the respawn. When you get to a combat training area with multiple people reguardless of your level your the noob of that area, and should thusly wait your turn before moving in on someone elses opponent. Most likely, there is a limited number of enemy's the person in the place you want to be can fight and they (or anyone else) will be done shortly. Don't follow me just because you are too lazy to click a mouse button and opt instead to continue to stuff your pie hole with potato chips while you make your way to my destination. Which will usually get you lost because I'll ditch you in the middle of a field and teleport. Contrary to popular belief, if you sell something to the general store you better be sure you can afford to loose it. If an item hits the general store it's automatically fair game plain and simple. ..That's why it's called a STORE.. Don't abuse a multi-combat area by casting lame spells on another person's opponent just because you don't have the armor to survive. Other people are not your crutch to magic leveling. Don't abuse a multi-combat area by ranging on another person's opponent just because you don't have the armor to survive. Other people are not your crutch to range leveling. My nick is 'WhitePhatt' -NOT- White P Hat ...The sooner you realize this the better off you will be. If u kant speel thin pleez downt tri! ...People who can't spell correctly more then 80% of the time, should line up next to the arrow stealers, and [innapropriate comment removed ~Alduron]! Shortening and acronyming objects.. Sometimes it works well for words like 'adamantite' (addy), 'lobster' (lob), mithril (mith), 'potion' (pot), but don't try to shorten words less then 5 characters because that's no time saver. Such as shortening 'ruby' (rub) because that's just dumb and nobody knows what your talking about. There is no 'k' in 'scimitar' (skimmy), among other grammatical atrocities.. -WhitePhatt (NOT WHITE P HAT!!!) :D